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Memetic dwarf vengeance at its best.
There are only 9 of them
(Ansgar and 8 assassins). Which means 3 of them shot 4 times.
Spite, but kind of a waste of bolts.
The Twin Holds: A Dwarf Karak Quest. (Warhammer Fantasy)
There are only 9 of them
(Ansgar and 8 assassins). Which means 3 of them shot 4 times.
Spite, but kind of a waste of bolts.
I'm sorry if it came off that way, I was just describing the mechanics, which is to say that if shame never fades, then no subsequent discovery can mend this as far as Bokri is concerned. It might make it fit for public consumption, but in his own mind it will always eat at him.
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But you can avoid future shame, or increase capacity
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Warlock Engineers are sometimes more cyborg than skaven.Memetic dwarf vengeance at its best.
There are only 9 of them
Which means 3 of them shot 4 times.
Spite, but kind of a waste of bolts.
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That makes it less of meme.
Poor skaven was more holes than rat when Ansgar was done with him.
Edit: looking at some pictures, Skaven are ugly rat bastards :{
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Never said we could not, but that is still not justifying, the best that I can understand the situation is that the only way you can make shame go away is inter-generational. So for instance Bokri eats the shame in his own mind, but then when the time to tell his kids about this he puts on a brave face and they don't get any shame since their father said it is not shameful.
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Fair enough but I still reckon we should send some rangers to Izor to help out with the skaven seeing as we also need them to help with the Orcs.
MiskWisk
Hoot
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*Slightly less internal screaming*
Ah, excellent. Something that will force us to take that action in the next turn or the one after. And it means we don't have to spend the 4k on it. Actually, will we get any benefit from spending the 4k on Formal embassy to Kraka Drak anyway Mayto? I could see it giving us additional bonuses on whatever we'd get but it might pointless considering it just lowered the chance of failure which the letter turned to 0 anyway.
Now, idea for a letter to boost our chances at the Estalia option:
[jk] Other - The Necrarch of Estalia: Greetings Sir/Madam. I am an Arabyan Prince reaching out to you as I have a fantastic trade deal for you. I just need you to send your current address to the Dwarf Hold of Karak Ornsk and I will be able to transfer vast sums of gold and exotic mystical knowledge! I look forward to your reply.
All it took was scaring our child to do it!
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There will be. Don't worry.
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That's a lot of stuff to unpack.
Hmm, I would think magical cooperation with Elves prior to the War of Vengeance being a thing would have been an open secret?
Hmm, I would think magical cooperation with Elves prior to the War of Vengeance being a thing would have been an open secret?
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The Dwarf Army book mentions that history got rewritten involving runecraft where they cooperated.
This a CKII Dynasty / Succession game, not a single-player RPG inextricably tied to Bokri's life and fate.
If readers get particularly attached to Bokri, that's testimony to Mayto's writing skills, but from a dispassionate perspective Bokri himself is not the be-all and end-all of the quest.
We should treat the Shame meter as a resource to be judiciously used, not a taboo to be avoided at all costs.
That is to say, the optimal course of action would be to:
(a) Raise Galmur (or another, potentially more suitable, heir down the line) into maturity with an array of useful traits;
(b) Load up Bokri with all the Shameful actions that improve the Clan's power (e.g. Starbolt research, heretical Rune research, deepening the Clan's friendship with Teclis, assassinating Guildmasters that oppose our Ranger Guild, marrying one of our Clan members into the Everqueen's family);
(c) Have Bokri go Slayer once he reaches maximum Shame and pass the Thaneship with a clean slate to Galmur / Other Heir.
If readers get particularly attached to Bokri, that's testimony to Mayto's writing skills, but from a dispassionate perspective Bokri himself is not the be-all and end-all of the quest.
We should treat the Shame meter as a resource to be judiciously used, not a taboo to be avoided at all costs.
That is to say, the optimal course of action would be to:
(a) Raise Galmur (or another, potentially more suitable, heir down the line) into maturity with an array of useful traits;
(b) Load up Bokri with all the Shameful actions that improve the Clan's power (e.g. Starbolt research, heretical Rune research, deepening the Clan's friendship with Teclis, assassinating Guildmasters that oppose our Ranger Guild, marrying one of our Clan members into the Everqueen's family);
(c) Have Bokri go Slayer once he reaches maximum Shame and pass the Thaneship with a clean slate to Galmur / Other Heir.
RandomTechPriest
He Who Steals Toasters
How could you say something so controversial yet so brave?
Quick Khazalid Lexicon.
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Kazalid Dictionary:
Umgak: 'Shoddy'
Umgi: Humans.
Elgi: Shorthand for Elf. Also interchangeable with 'treacherous.'
Elgongi: Elf-Friend. An insult for Clans which earned their ancestral fortunes through trade with Elves. Considered a grudge-worthy insult.
Umgdawi: Manling Dwarfs. Used in the Karaz Ankor to describe Dawi living in the Empire. Used as an insult when spoken to an Expatriate Dwarf directly.
Gazani: Flatlanders. A term to describe Dawi settled on the lands of the Empire. Heavily looked down upon in the Karaz Ankor.
Skarrenawi: Those who live under the sky, Dwarfs who live topside and not in mountain holds.
Khazukan Dawi: Stay at the Hold Dwarfs. An insult by Imperial Dawi for Karak Dwarfs who they consider willing to rot away in their holds instead of making something of themselves.
Ungdrin Ankor - The Underway, the ancient underground roadway of the Dwarfs.
Karaz Ankor: The Everlasting Realm.
Thag - Slay by act of treachery.
Thagi - Murderous traitor.
Thaggoraki: The Skaven
Odro Ok: The Eight Cunning. The assassins of Karak Skarrenruf.
Tromm-Strollar- The Wandering Elders. An elite order of Dawi Rangers from Clan Rakidum who serve as spiritual guides and defenders.
Ragarin: A coat made of Troll Hide. Also the name of the Rakidum rangers who wear armour made of troll hide.
Vithang Khaz: Merchant Halls of a Dwarf Hold.
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Umgak: 'Shoddy'
Umgi: Humans.
Elgi: Shorthand for Elf. Also interchangeable with 'treacherous.'
Elgongi: Elf-Friend. An insult for Clans which earned their ancestral fortunes through trade with Elves. Considered a grudge-worthy insult.
Umgdawi: Manling Dwarfs. Used in the Karaz Ankor to describe Dawi living in the Empire. Used as an insult when spoken to an Expatriate Dwarf directly.
Gazani: Flatlanders. A term to describe Dawi settled on the lands of the Empire. Heavily looked down upon in the Karaz Ankor.
Skarrenawi: Those who live under the sky, Dwarfs who live topside and not in mountain holds.
Khazukan Dawi: Stay at the Hold Dwarfs. An insult by Imperial Dawi for Karak Dwarfs who they consider willing to rot away in their holds instead of making something of themselves.
Ungdrin Ankor - The Underway, the ancient underground roadway of the Dwarfs.
Karaz Ankor: The Everlasting Realm.
Thag - Slay by act of treachery.
Thagi - Murderous traitor.
Thaggoraki: The Skaven
Odro Ok: The Eight Cunning. The assassins of Karak Skarrenruf.
Tromm-Strollar- The Wandering Elders. An elite order of Dawi Rangers from Clan Rakidum who serve as spiritual guides and defenders.
Ragarin: A coat made of Troll Hide. Also the name of the Rakidum rangers who wear armour made of troll hide.
Vithang Khaz: Merchant Halls of a Dwarf Hold.
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Will update this list occasionally.
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They are pretty similar.
All in all other than the shame this has been a good. Rough outline of what I would like to take (not a plan because we do not know the costs) is as follows:
Diplo:
Norse dwarf diplo, because its a guarantee and it is free, we do not have many free diplo options
Vault hold trade, preferably a cheap one, because it is low hanging fruit and helps with the founding of our kingdom
Merge the Holds, that as a important milestone last turn and now that we have the tunnel we can do it
Martial
Deal with those orcs, because we did pledge to it and the sooner we clear them out the better
Get that clan adoption action done so we can replenish our numbers from the almost inevitable losses of the above
Stewardship:
Grab that Armorer clan, it is one of the few actions that does three things, gives us more pop and military, gets us more money and helps with the Soland situation by arming the people there. In that way they are better than the farmer clan and only 2K gold more expensive
Take one of the Soland Improvement actions that have been promised if we still have the cash, if not mine for wealth
Intrigue:
Sanctum of the Sneaks, I forget what that is called in Khazalid, it makes money and information
Get that Alchemy lore unhurried if the success chance does not look too low
Learning;
Research how to recycle Umgi coins, this is a rare learning action that makes money, we should take it
More bolt research, we are still net positive on shame after the last turn, I think is worth the risk
Runes
Pass this turn, he needs to make himself more limbs
Personal Actions
Finish off that one martial trait on our sheet that is at 2/3
Spend time with the kids, just in case the orcs get luckyagain
Raising Glaumur
Teach the kid some engineering and some brewing, see if he has any interest or skill in either
Letters:
One to Magnus explaining our plans for Soland
The other to to friendly elector counts asking for support
Diplo:
Norse dwarf diplo, because its a guarantee and it is free, we do not have many free diplo options
Vault hold trade, preferably a cheap one, because it is low hanging fruit and helps with the founding of our kingdom
Merge the Holds, that as a important milestone last turn and now that we have the tunnel we can do it
Martial
Deal with those orcs, because we did pledge to it and the sooner we clear them out the better
Get that clan adoption action done so we can replenish our numbers from the almost inevitable losses of the above
Stewardship:
Grab that Armorer clan, it is one of the few actions that does three things, gives us more pop and military, gets us more money and helps with the Soland situation by arming the people there. In that way they are better than the farmer clan and only 2K gold more expensive
Take one of the Soland Improvement actions that have been promised if we still have the cash, if not mine for wealth
Intrigue:
Sanctum of the Sneaks, I forget what that is called in Khazalid, it makes money and information
Get that Alchemy lore unhurried if the success chance does not look too low
Learning;
Research how to recycle Umgi coins, this is a rare learning action that makes money, we should take it
More bolt research, we are still net positive on shame after the last turn, I think is worth the risk
Runes
Pass this turn, he needs to make himself more limbs
Personal Actions
Finish off that one martial trait on our sheet that is at 2/3
Spend time with the kids, just in case the orcs get lucky
Raising Glaumur
Teach the kid some engineering and some brewing, see if he has any interest or skill in either
Letters:
One to Magnus explaining our plans for Soland
The other to to friendly elector counts asking for support
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Hmm, would the dwarfs have edited their records of Runecraft being combined with Wizardry, or just hid them ignored them?
I think it would have been the former, because they would probably not want to damage the works of their ancestors. They just wouldn't have publicised their existence, or read them.
So in theory, any old hold that had access to elves should have records of it... but good luck getting access to those records.
The obstacle might be less the longbeards that keep the archive (who are generations removed from those who know what the records contain), and more the fact that those scrolls are intentionally "forgotten".
And getting past that barrier while not giving a reason that gives away our shame will be tricky.
Wish we had Ermet Stonefoot to talk sense into those longbeards...
Alternatively, our original hold, which fell 150 years after the war of the beard ended might still have records of the collaboration. But of course, we have to hope the records had not already been destroyed over the course of the 600 year war, the fall of the hold, and 4000 years of Night goblin occupation, and that we still know how to open the archives.
I'm honestly not sure which one is the least accessible.
I think it would have been the former, because they would probably not want to damage the works of their ancestors. They just wouldn't have publicised their existence, or read them.
So in theory, any old hold that had access to elves should have records of it... but good luck getting access to those records.
The obstacle might be less the longbeards that keep the archive (who are generations removed from those who know what the records contain), and more the fact that those scrolls are intentionally "forgotten".
And getting past that barrier while not giving a reason that gives away our shame will be tricky.
Wish we had Ermet Stonefoot to talk sense into those longbeards...
Alternatively, our original hold, which fell 150 years after the war of the beard ended might still have records of the collaboration. But of course, we have to hope the records had not already been destroyed over the course of the 600 year war, the fall of the hold, and 4000 years of Night goblin occupation, and that we still know how to open the archives.
I'm honestly not sure which one is the least accessible.
That's intentional.
Umgi translates to 'Makers of Shoddy Things' or if you want to be more succinct 'Shoddy Ones'.
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Well, a definitively good turn, but I would like to ask a couple of questions @Mayto
And finally, since we are digging a pretty big tunnel, are we going to roll to see if we find some useful ores?
First of all, since we are now on good terms with Zhufbar, it is possible to purchase again the Secret of Gunpowder next turn?
And finally, since we are digging a pretty big tunnel, are we going to roll to see if we find some useful ores?
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Double yes.
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Good to know...
@DragonParadox wouldn't be better to take Nitrate Extraction operation and/or Fruit trees and Apiaries ? Both actions are necessary if we want to get gunpowder weapons ASAP and just by themselves they give us valuable trade goods....
The only thing gunpowder unlocks by itself is marginal ranger improvement, I would rather have more dawi on the line from a new clan. We can do gunpowder next turn
RandomTechPriest
He Who Steals Toasters
Good idea. With the trees and nitrate we will have more trade goods. That, ontop of the fact we have more trade partners, should make us fuck loads of money.
