I'm aiming for tonight.I just realized how messy the ordeal with Hayato is going to be.
@Crilltic Are you updating today/tonight or tomorrow do you think?
Thank you.
Preeeetttyyy messy if we get involved and somehow Hayate survives/Baki gets exposed.I just realized how messy the ordeal with Hayato is going to be.
@Crilltic Are you updating today/tonight or tomorrow do you think?
No, its worse. We can't interfere. IC, you just found an ally is actually an enemy and has had access to your village for the past few days. A Jonin who might be able to escape from watch-dogs for a little while. Enough to plant explosives, or gas bombs, or other such things.Preeeetttyyy messy if we get involved and somehow Hayate survives/Baki gets exposed.
Shit will go down on a great scale. Its one thing to try and keep the tournament going when the enemy is not certain you know but when they know you know they know you know then its harder to keep things in order.
Invasion´s probably going to get derailed or affected heavily.
You assume we have much choice. Our stealth is not quite up to stuff and I imagine Hayate would have higher stealth than a Genin.No, its worse. We can't interfere. IC, you just found an ally is actually an enemy and has had access to your village for the past few days. A Jonin who might be able to escape from watch-dogs for a little while. Enough to plant explosives, or gas bombs, or other such things.
Worse, there is a complete unknown moving even faster than the Jonin. How long have they been here? What have they possibly set up?
OoC, Kabuto cast a Sleeping Genjutsu on an entire stadium and was still battle worthy after. Including on many lower ranked Konoha nin. Gaara is right there. In the middle of the city.
They can not know we are here.
Edit: I was really hoping to save this for after the update because who knows what will happen, but since it got brought up... *Shrug* Sorry.
Stunts, Willpower, we're not actually trying to spy on them, and never followed them, we're on a different set of roofs, ...Virtue channel possibly. Not sure if 1 Auto-Success is worth giving up for 3 potential successes.You assume we have much choice. Our stealth is not quite up to stuff and I imagine Hayate would have higher stealth than a Genin.
And he still got found out.
I think he was in full disguise the entire meeting, wasn't he? I mean if he does take it off, that's good because we'll know his face and name. He's going to be moving as fast as Jonin though which is... Even if he doesn't get in the fight here, he still vacates the area for Baki vs. Hayato.Also remember that as far as Tenten knows, Kabuto is just an ordinary leaf genin.
Kabuto wasn't wearing a disguise at all, he was wearing the same outfit and face he wore during the Chunin Exams when Tenten met him and when he was leering over Sasuke until Kakashi drove him off. Baki even mentions this. So assuming Tenten spot them (Spoilers: Tenten rolled 9 successes on 9 dice to spot them ) it will be interesting...I think he was in full disguise the entire meeting, wasn't he? I mean if he does take it off, that's good because we'll know his face and name. He's going to be moving as fast as Jonin though which is... Even if he doesn't get in the fight here, he still vacates the area for Baki vs. Hayate.
With so many unknowns and betrayals, we'd need to treat every possibility as Truth. From the possibility of explosives in the town, to Kabuto covering his true skills to be a long-term infiltrator.
I hope she has the sense to keep her mouth closed? Please? We'd instant limit break like... 10 times in a row if we caused half the village to die.Kabuto wasn't wearing a disguise at all, he was wearing the same outfit and face he wore during the Chunin Exams when Tenten met him and when he was leering over Sasuke until Kakashi drove him off. Baki even mentions this. So assuming Tenten spot them (Spoilers: Tenten rolled 9 successes on 9 dice to spot them ) it will be interesting...
So basically a high Essence Lunar
There was a significant interval of time, IIRC; note how Gaara is back to being all composed and there is literally no blood or evidence of Dosu's death left.In the anime at least, Hayate shows up pretty much immediately after Gaara pulps Dosu. As Baki and Kabuto are discussing whether or not it's okay that Gaara just killed one of the Sound genin.
Queen K'Tula turned herself into an octopus lady, and had octopus kids with her chimera Lunar husband.Well, Orochimaru's soul is a giant snake made up of thousands of smaller snakes. Fairly sure that's far enough.
He wasn't changing his face on purpose because he wanted to see how Konoha would react.this is my favorte kind of cannon diversion. nothing big changes, it's just one of the dozen or so dominoes that had to fall exactly right falls differently. really the due was kind of asking for this by not taking advantage of the fact that changing your face is really easy for ninjas.
Ordinary leaf genin do not confer with Sand jounin in shady corners.Also remember that as far as Tenten knows, Kabuto is just an ordinary leaf genin.
The guy who claimed to be too tired/injured to compete is conferring with the jounin of another village?Kabuto wasn't wearing a disguise at all, he was wearing the same outfit and face he wore during the Chunin Exams when Tenten met him and when he was leering over Sasuke until Kakashi drove him off. Baki even mentions this. So assuming Tenten spot them (Spoilers: Tenten rolled 9 successes on 9 dice to spot them ) it will be interesting...
The village has been aware that Orochimaru is running an operation here since the beginning of the Exam's Second Stage, when he left those three Grass genin's bodies outside the Forest of Death.No, its worse. We can't interfere. IC, you just found an ally is actually an enemy and has had access to your village for the past few days. A Jonin who might be able to escape from watch-dogs for a little while. Enough to plant explosives, or gas bombs, or other such things.
Worse, there is a complete unknown moving even faster than the Jonin. How long have they been here? What have they possibly set up?
OoC, Kabuto cast a Sleeping Genjutsu on an entire stadium and was still battle worthy after. Including on many lower ranked Konoha nin. Gaara is right there. In the middle of the city.
They can not know we are here.
Edit: I was really hoping to save this for after the update because who knows what will happen, but since it got brought up... *Shrug* Sorry.
Valid points, yes. But:
We have a chance to flip this point without them being aware.
Eh.
It takes time to power up to bijuu-status.And yes, Shukaku will be taken care of quickly. Help will arrive for us if we go Totemic quickly. Do you want to bet how many rounds of combat, how many swings of Shukaku's limbs can be taken in that time?
The LOUD, flashy things they use to hit powerful ninja.so they can't hit us unless they use any of the things they use to hit powerful ninjas?
None of this is reasons not to do it. And what you're saying also involves "I'm willing to sacrifice massive amounts of civilians and Shinobi to maintain canon." Which is out the door already. Guess what, saving Hayate leads to the same outcome as not saving him in that respect.Eh.
We also run the risk of fucking shit up for everyone.
We need Suna to maintain some sort of international parity vis a vis Kumo/Iwa.
Do remember that Rochi impersonated their Kage for godknowshowlong.
And a sane Gaara anchored a pretty strong Konoha ally.
There are pretty big risks with trying to derail this shit; I'd be happy with just getting us and Hayate out of there in one piece; after all, he's a Melee expert, and we could use a tutor there.
Dude, do you not remember what actually kills Hayate? Wind Sword. Bypassed Hayate's Parry straight out. And likely a good chunk of his equipment granted soak.The LOUD, flashy things they use to hit powerful ninja.
Which kinda defeats the purpose of killing someone quietly.
Actually are.
Taking a long view, and being wary of ripple effects, is precisely what a Solar should watch out for.And what you're saying also involves "I'm willing to sacrifice massive amounts of civilians and Shinobi to maintain canon." Which is out the door already. Guess what, saving Hayate leads to the same outcome as not saving him in that respect.
What killed Hayate was the fact that his hands(and sword) were trapped.Dude, do you not remember what actually kills Hayate? Wind Sword. Bypassed Hayate's Parry straight out. And likely a good chunk of his equipment granted soak.
Maybe you missed that part. Save him or not, canon is out the window. Either way, the information that Suna is in on this gets to Sarutobi. I have idea how you're seeing the rest of that without seeing that piece.Saving Hayate nets us a Melee and Ninjutsu tutor, as well as connections into ANBU.
It's not meant to have geopolitical significance.
Don't quote that at me. We're a Solar, it is literally impossible for us not to change canon. That's even if Crilltic isn't already changing things. So we need to decide out battles carefully.Actually are.
Solars: It's not whether you can, it's whether you should.
And you seem to have missed my point.Maybe you missed that part. Save him or not, canon is out the window. Either way, the information that Suna is in on this gets to Sarutobi. I have idea how you're seeing the rest of that without seeing that piece.
Not the same thing as attempting to rewire a major invasion four weeks before it kicks off.Don't quote that at me. We're a Solar, it is literally impossible for us not to change canon. That's even if Crilltic isn't already changing things. So we need to decide out battles carefully.
... Read:And you seem to have missed my point.
Our very presence before Dosu gets to Gaara means that we get to raise the alarm right after Gaara murderblenders Dosu.
Which means Baki has to be home dealing with Leaf officials and Dosu's teammates, if not jounin.
Which means Hayate doesn't stumble onto a meeting of conspirators.
Plot derailed, with minimum medium-term consequences.
Kabuto wasn't wearing a disguise at all, he was wearing the same outfit and face he wore during the Chunin Exams when Tenten met him and when he was leering over Sasuke until Kakashi drove him off. Baki even mentions this. So assuming Tenten spot them (Spoilers: Tenten rolled 9 successes on 9 dice to spot them ) it will be interesting...