We get motes from stunts.
During combat.
Training burns motes hard, and WP as well.

Social regens some motes because we're not actively burning Charms, but there is a reason why the GM says we need to sleep to regen Essence or we'd be tapped out.
And then there's WP regen, which we also need.
 
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No it is not.
The more I think of it, the more convinced I am.

We have 4 weeks of training before we are invaded.
You are investing an entire week of that into a stay-awake charm that does nothing else in the belief that we will make up that deficit before we have to deal with jinchuuriki and S-class ninja.
That's remarkably optimistic.

We don't know how our Exaltation works in this universe. We have yet to figure out how we gain Limit.
We regain less Essence when awake than when asleep, and I think we only regen WP after sleeping too.
And the only way we can get anywhere is pushing ourselves to the limit.

Frankly, the only thing I would monotrain at the moment is Dodge.
Get it to Dodge 3, and buy RST.
And then try for the perfect dodge because Bad Touch is a thing in this universe.

But I want to try Social to see if we can find a tutor for Dodge first.
Resistance helps resist most bad touch. And not sleeping pays for itself regardless.
 
Yeah, but Tireless gives us the choice of either doing social, extra social, or extra training. We could get two social and two training a day done no problem.
I'm still doing the math, and I won't be done before the deadline.
But I'm pretty sure you aren't accounting for something.

Resistance helps resist most bad touch. And not sleeping pays for itself regardless.
Tenten is Stamina 3. With Res 3, she'd have a dicepool of 6.
Not against Narutoverse threats.
Kankuro alone packs enough fucking poison to down both kikai and humans from a passing whiff of his poison cloud.

There are paralysis seals, cursed swords of various types, possibly lightning techniques....
 
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No it is not.
The more I think of it, the more convinced I am.

We have 4 weeks of training before we are invaded.
You are investing an entire week of that into a stay-awake charm that does nothing else in the belief that we will make up that deficit before we have to deal with jinchuuriki and S-class ninja.
That's remarkably optimistic.

We don't know how our Exaltation works in this universe. We have yet to figure out how we gain Limit.
We regain less Essence when awake than when asleep, and I think we only regen WP after sleeping too.
And the only way we can get anywhere is pushing ourselves to the limit.

Frankly, the only thing I would monotrain at the moment is Dodge.
Get it to Dodge 3, and buy RST.
And then try for the perfect dodge because Bad Touch is a thing in this universe.

But I want to try Social to see if we can find a tutor for Dodge first.
I do not see why it wouldn't.

We have two training, one social, and one sleeping.

Once we don't need sleeping, I do not see why we could not go training social social training instead of training training social sleeping.
 
If you go training heavy; it breaks even in week 3. That is with a 3 day Tireless, one day sleep schedule. The tireless days are fatigue neutral with a bath. So only the day off counts towards social. It can be done slower of course but then your looking at breaking even by week 4.

Edit: I should note that this is done on a 6 day week. So there is some room in there.
Edit 2: Also it assumes that TST isn't a waste of time, by counting as getting 2 fatigue back.
 
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Yeah, but unless you constantly do the rest action everyday you'll still be building up fatigue everyday, and also burning down your essence pool. So sleeping every once in awhile to completely recharge is a good idea.
So.
12 Training, 6 Social and 6 Sleep.
Each Training Action produces 1 Fatigue.
That's 12 Fatigue to burn off.
We'd need to take 12 Rest Actions in order to burn it off.

Tireless Sentinel only protects against the additional 2 Fatigue we get from no sleep, not that from normal training.
And it doesn't leave you a buffer either in a ninja town, where Events are a thing.
I do not see why it wouldn't.
We have two training, one social, and one sleeping.
Once we don't need sleeping, I do not see why we could not go training social social training instead of training training social sleeping.
Because each Training Action produces 1 Fatigue, which you need to spend a Rest Action to eliminate.
Sleep Actions remove 2 Fatigue at a time.
It's a false economy, and Konoha is not so safe that you want to go around without a Fatigue buffer.

And additionally, Tireless Sentinel Technique means no WP recovery.
Text of the charm
Tireless Sentinel Technique
Cost: 3m per day (2xp); Mins: Resistance 3, Essence 2; Type: Simple; Keywords: Mirror; Duration: Indefinite; Prerequisite Charms: None

The Solar transcends the need for sleep and experiences reality as a particularly lucid dream. While this Charm is active, he suffers no adverse effects from sleep deprivation besides the lost opportunity for Willpower recovery. A character can use this Charm to go without sleep for (Stamina + Resistance) days. After that, he suffers one level of unsoakable bashing damage per day without sleep, which he must heal through rest before he can activate the Charm again
You still have to sleep every six days, or keep taking damage.
The thing is meant for emergency use, not "I wanna grind training" use.

I knew there was a reason I never saw TST mentioned in munchkin strategies.
 
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That's pretty much it, like it can be used to grind training, but there are drawbacks as well (Like the fact it doesn't recharge essence and willpower like sleep normally would).

Anyway, I need a tie-breaking vote.
 
If you go training heavy; it breaks even in week 3. That is with a 3 day Tireless, one day sleep schedule. The tireless days are fatigue neutral with a bath. So only the day off counts towards social. It can be done slower of course but then your looking at breaking even by week 4.
Edit: I should note that this is done on a 6 day week. So there is some room in there.
Edit 2: Also it assumes that TST isn't a waste of time, by counting as getting 2 fatigue back.
This requires running around without a Fatigue buffer.

In a town where Orochimaru murdered a bunch of contestants less than a week ago, where Kabuto is killing his way through a significant number of the village's ANBU, where our putative allies are planning a betrayal and are murdering village shinobi and leaving their bodies for the crows.
And where there's a visiting half-mad jinchuuriki with a bloodlust.

None of this sounds like a place where you should be letting down your guard.

Furthermore, you are not recovering WP under TST.
That's...bad. That's very bad.

We need WP to activate some charms, as a genjutsu defense.
To shounen our way through injury, to autosucceed on other tasks.
To power our way through the killing intent of stronger ninja, and the malice of unleashed jinchuuriki.

Even as a social defense to prevent people from talking us into taking terrible decisions.
This is especially important when you consider that Tenten's social stats are pretty bad even for a normal(Presence 0? Wut.).
And people like Danzo(village elder!), Orochimaru(proven seducer of juvenile shinobi) and Kabuto(trained infiltrator) around.

Sleep is the one reliable way to recover WP out of combat.
It's not something to be given up lightly.

I mean, you could burn TST to, say, develop whatever our equivalent of the Rasenshuriken is.
It would be thematic, but note that Naruto was guarded by multiple high-level shinobi everytime he was burning the candle at both ends to develop a new overpowered technique. We don't have S-class shinobi and summons watching over us.
 
Do note, I probably ended making Tenten's social stats just a bit too low. So uh, I may look into changing that. Which is my fault, since the intent was not to leave her socially maladjusted. Just boringly average.

OTOH her three charisma dice have been doing work thus far. :V
Yay!
Tell me Sakura will spill the beans about getting ambushed by Rochi-san in the Forest.
Getting a headsup will do Tenten's planning some good.
It will likely come up in conversation. Though the date for the training with Sakura isn't for a couple of days.

What Tenten is doing first is researching Dosu, since she missed his match, and also she showed up after he demonstrated his abilities in the Forest of Death. So she really has no idea what he can do besides "It's probably something with sound, given his teammates"

Also, tonight Dosu is a man with a plan. A terrible, terrible plan. Like, literally the worst thing he could have possibly done. Bar flipping Orochimaru the double bird to his face and saying "Jiraiya is better than you"
 
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So, question for people who know the system better than me:
1) What is the best "kill the unkillable" / "permakill" charm that we have a chance of grabbing in the training period? Is there one? Because I REALLY want to kill Shukaku to totally derail all the plans ever.
2) We need a perfect barrier piercer. IC against Gaara and kaiten (if we learn of Neji learning it). OOC against Sound Four. Drop one of them, and Sarutobi might well survive against Orochimaru.

Hmm... What are the chances we could kill the Shinigami? I mean, when it manifests during shiki fuin technique.
 
Ehhh. On the whole I think TST would have worked out, and that this was a good time to get it since we have Gai's undivided attention, but oh well. Maybe another time.

0 Presence/0 Performance/0 Socialize

... I just realized what that meant actually. That's *What is this thing* levels of not knowing.
Yeah. Apparently Naruto's incompetence is not a statistical anomaly. His areas of ignorance are just really obvious.

The Acadeny may need an overhaul...
 
0 Presence/0 Performance/0 Socialize

... I just realized what that meant actually. That's *What is this thing* levels of not knowing.
Yeah, I think I was originally going to give her two socialize dots, but then that kinda slipped by the wayside when I was making the characterize. :V BRB fixing that. So now Tenten can competently manage her way through basic conversations without have a large chance of putting her foot in her mouth.

Oh yeah, and someone asked earlier what social stat I use for which situation. In terms of this, when someone is trying to impress/intimidate etc. someone they use Presence. While if you're trying to make friends with someone then it's socialize.
Hmm... What are the chances we could kill the Shinigami? I mean, when it manifests during shiki fuin technique.
The God of Death only dies when he allows it, not when he is killed.
 
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The God of Death only dies when he allows it, not when he is killed.
Canon shinigami seems to be an Uzumaki-made chakra construct, if anything. At least that was my impression from the temple of masks (something we should look into, if we can) thing. Hmm... Maybe Tenten could go explore the village, find some temples to pray in as a social / relaxation action?

Also, are you telling me that exalted couldn't kill the manifestation of the concept of death? Well, ok, not young exalts, but still. That's it, I now have the goal to steer the quest to: killing shinigami. F*ck Kaguya, we have our final boss.
 
Canon shinigami seems to be an Uzumaki-made chakra construct, if anything. At least that was my impression from the temple of masks (something we should look into, if we can) thing. Hmm... Maybe Tenten could go explore the village, find some temples to pray in as a social / relaxation action?

Also, are you telling me that exalted couldn't kill the manifestation of the concept of death? Well, ok, not young exalts, but still. That's it, I now have the goal to steer the quest to: killing shinigami. F*ck Kaguya, we have our final boss.
...I think you have missed the central conceit of Exalted, and Solars in particular.

Can you?

Yes. Eventually.

But should you?
 
1) What is the best "kill the unkillable" / "permakill" charm that we have a chance of grabbing in the training period? Is there one? Because I REALLY want to kill Shukaku to totally derail all the plans ever.
As of right now? None. There are Spirit-Killing Charms, but Shukaku's going to have a ton of health levels and Soak due to his body structure. No way we're going to be able to kill him, because we still need to dish out the damage to kill him. Not in a month.


And honestly? Sealing him would be easy. Whirling-Brush means we could slap down a Bijuu Containing Seal on the fly, as long as we know one that is.
2) We need a perfect barrier piercer. IC against Gaara and kaiten (if we learn of Neji learning it). OOC against Sound Four. Drop one of them, and Sarutobi might well survive against Orochimaru.
Kaiten is too much of a Chakra drain to keep it up against us. Especially after he's already fought a couple of rounds.

The Sand Shield... I honestly don't think Gai would mind us pulling explosive tags on him. And if we get Whirling-Brush we can slap tags on the Kunai easily enough. Other than that, it's probably a Hardness modeled barrier, which just flat out removes dice from an attack before the damage step. I.E. We hit it hard enough, it'll break anyway.

We're not going to work our way up to a Perfect attack in time with the other things we need either.
Oh yeah, and someone asked earlier what social stat I use for which situation. In terms of this, when someone is trying to impress/intimidate etc. someone they use Presence. While if you're trying to make friends with someone then it's socialize.
That was me. Again. :cry:
 
So, question for people who know the system better than me:
1) What is the best "kill the unkillable" / "permakill" charm that we have a chance of grabbing in the training period? Is there one? Because I REALLY want to kill Shukaku to totally derail all the plans ever.
None.
There's no attack we have access to at that we can train that fast that can kill what is in effect a high-power behemoth or 2nd Circle Demon in Exalted terms. And we don't favor Occult.

2) We need a perfect barrier piercer. IC against Gaara and kaiten (if we learn of Neji learning it). OOC against Sound Four. Drop one of them, and Sarutobi might well survive against Orochimaru.
Iron Raptor Technique.
E2, Melee 3, Call The Blade prereq, range of Essence*8 yards, cannot be blocked without a charm.
Should work against the kaiten, but you're unlikely to get close enough to the Sound barrier to hit through it.

Alternatively, Blazing Solar Bolt is E3, Melee 5, has a damage of (Strength+Willpower), a range of 1 mile, halves opponent DV, and ignores any cover that isn't 100%; a see through barrier is not 100 % cover.
It will almost certainly punch through the Sound barrier, and cripple if not kill the Sound Four it hits.

Two problems:
1)We would have to direct all our training towards those charms, which means giving up our own defenses. At a time when if we do that, we become top targets for enemy forces.
2)Do we really want to bring down a barrier that contains the Edo Zombies of two former Kage?
 
The Sand Shield... I honestly don't think Gai would mind us pulling explosive tags on him. And if we get Whirling-Brush we can slap tags on the Kunai easily enough. Other than that, it's probably a Hardness modeled barrier, which just flat out removes dice from an attack before the damage step. I.E. We hit it hard enough, it'll break anyway.
Basically this. Though you can also bypass it by moving faster than the sand can react too. This is less effective however, as Lee found out to his detriment.
 
None.
There's no attack we have access to at that we can train that fast that can kill what is in effect a high-power behemoth or 2nd Circle Demon in Exalted terms. And we don't favor Occult.


Iron Raptor Technique.
E2, Melee 3, Call The Blade prereq, range of Essence*8 yards, cannot be blocked without a charm.
Should work against the kaiten, but you're unlikely to get close enough to the Sound barrier to hit through it.

Alternatively, Blazing Solar Bolt is E3, Melee 5, has a damage of (Strength+Willpower), a range of 1 mile, halves opponent DV, and ignores any cover that isn't 100%; a see through barrier is not 100 % cover.
It will almost certainly punch through the Sound barrier, and cripple if not kill the Sound Four it hits.

Two problems:
1)We would have to direct all our training towards those charms, which means giving up our own defenses. At a time when if we do that, we become top targets for enemy forces.
2)Do we really want to bring down a barrier that contains the Edo Zombies of two former Kage?
Very imperfect edo zombies, if I remember correctly that's a plotpoint later that they were far weaker than their "real" or even "4th world war" selves.

As to barrier (chapter 117, page 14) it's maintained by touch and is, in itself, thin. So, Iron Raptor Technique would totally work. Sound 4 can't move while maintaining the barrier, and the area around the barrier was controlled by loyal shinobi. So, yeah, we definitely could bring it down if we had that charm.
 
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