[X] uju32
The Princess of Blades (Naruto/Exalted)
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Hmm...very tentatively, I'm gonna go with
[X] uju32
[X] uju32
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] uju32
Neji is our friend, not our active-aggressive rival looking to kill us to achieve the ultimate fruity-loops eyes.
Neji is our friend, not our active-aggressive rival looking to kill us to achieve the ultimate fruity-loops eyes.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I know that reference. I don't see how it applies. I thought you were referring to Tenten somehow.I'm going to take this as a compliment that I wrote a character people can get inside the head of. Also thank you for reminding me I need to catch up on AS. It's been like a year.
I think I might be just a bit behind.
It's a This is Spinal Tap reference you ingrate.
These are pretty rough calculations since I don't know many variables here but:
(Naruto make 999 shadow clones for a technique against Garra in the fight during the invasion = 79920; Naruto also summons Boss Gamabunta later in that fight = a whole bunch; this fight is after his fight with Negi in the 3rd stage ≥39 clones = ≥3120; and however much more he use in the fights against Negi and Garra = IDK? ) = Does Naruto have a six digit Chakra Pool?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Maybe it just refills so fast that he can essentially fake one?
matacusa
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I'd wager it's a mix of the two. He spawns two thousand of them at one point, for which he'd need a mind-boggling base pool to begin with, and we have seen him go from nearly empty to full in minutes repeatedly. That is early in the series, before being able to even get to Sage or full Kyuubi Chakra Mode.
Uzumakis are bullshit to begin with (looking at you, Adamantine Sealing Chains), and Tailed Beasts are one hells of a drug.
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Kemayo
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frozenchicken
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Personally I would also suspect that the Kyuubi represents a variable chakra pool. It's a small but fast-refilling pool most of the time, which lets him constantly fling out small numbers of clones throughout a fight, but the pool expands massively when Naruto is scared, angry or deliberately pulling on the Kyuubi's power. Obviously, this carrie proportionate side effects the more he does it, but also allows for singular acts of awesomeness if he does it right.
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I think the Mass Shadow Clone technique is usually treated as a different technique than the base Shadow Clone. It's listed as A-rank (higher difficulty, harder to use) while the basic Shadow Clone is B-rank, plus the basic version clones don't seem to pop nearly as fast and often seem better at fighting (yes this could just be the Inverse Law of Ninja, but even with that there does seem to be a bit of a discrepancy between the two). Given these factors it's likely that the Mass version of it uses tons of chakra, but less per clone than the basic one does. Under these rule for using jutus Naruto probably just spent tons of xp to lower the difficulty. Even then he still needs the tons of chakra from his heritage and being Jinchuriki for what he does, but it's not quite as crazy as the 6 digit chakra pool.
Just one point, though: Byakugan can see difference between Kyuubi's chakra and normal chakra, as shown in the Naruto vs. Neji fight. And normally there are no abnormalities in Naruto's chakra at all. Hell, normally, the seal itself isn't visible to the byakugan.
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Add me to the list of Ingrates, Spinal Tap sounds like a painful and unusual surgery.
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It was a reference to how you suggested a simple boring solution that didn't involve me adding anything new to the rules.
Scify
It always starts with a lighthouse.
[X] - Something is wrong with Neji, he's never avoided you like this before. You need to find out what that is.
Not as much as any of us might have wished, sadly. Grom's been busy with real life quite a bit.
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Trying to square Naruto's chakra scale with one that isn't completely distorted for everyone else is an exercise in frustration. So he basically runs on fiat.
deadcrystal
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I think the magical dimensional alien stuff only came up in the Boruto movie, which had a whole host of issues, so there really isn't a problem quietly shuffling it out back to be shot.
Still sad Tenten isn't an Infernal which would have made that whole thing even more FUN. Infernals da best.
It's sort of the same problem as it comes to economics in fictional fantasy settings (namely that they usually aren't written by economists), since the author usually doesn't spend two years planning something out in meticulous detail so that power levels are consistent throughout and make in-universe sense. Particularly a problem for shounen series especially when they have time-skips. Hence the whole issue with Kakashi allegedy being a legendary ninja but struggling with opponents and situations in the early parts that wouldn't even be footnotes in the later parts. A lot of fiat is required so the entire backstage doesn't quietly collapse.
Clearly he's running on Ex3 Mote Regen instead in combat.
I'd also highlight that Naruto can use complex techniques while using normal Shadow Clones, but when he breaks out the Mass, even HE is down to just Taijutsu.
And yet elemental recomposition training. Many, many shadow clones, each doing chakra manipulation training for along period of time.
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On the subject of Naruto, however, and his chakra pool, some observations:
1) Once you get past tree walking (not sure how to explain that one), you'll find that Naruto is actually extremely gifted in chakra control. "Tsunade nervously smokes in the corner" gifted, in the sense that he learns quickly and either doesn't plateau at all or does so at very high skill level. At least where it comes to shape /yang manipulation and control of large amounts of energy. He mastered water walking instantly after Orochimaru's chakra disrupting seal was removed. He learned rasengan in a month, and that jutsu is basically the pinnacle of shape manipulation. He learned sage mode super quickly and to a level Jiraya couldn't match after decades of practice. Once Kyuubi stopped interfering and he went golden, his control became perfect, 100% no inefficiency, do anything you want with your chakra perfect.
2) Naruto is clearly incapable of superhuman multitasking, as evidenced by requiring shadow clones to use rasenshuriken and, initially, rasengan, where he was able to split his attention enough to do those techniques by himself.
3) Shadow clone jutsu produces ideal clones (byakugan can't see any difference), yet it is more than "pour chakra - get perfect clones", as it required Naruto hours of practice to get to work. While it might be somewhat self-correcting, Naruto can produce any number of clones, each with perfectly distributed chakra and indistinguishable from each other and him. And each clone with its own mind.
So, I'm going to take a leap and posit the following: using shadow clone technique benefits from shadow clone training method proportionally to the number of clones you make. Ie basically its the minds of the clones that cast the final stages of the jutsu which generates their bodies, so, if you create a thousand clone, you get experience equivalent of creating a clone a thousand times. Naruto, insanely gifted that he is in manipulating chakra, then benefited from said experience and basically ascanded to the perfect mastery of the technique, making it super-efficient to cast for him. Basically, he dropped the cost of casting it to, if not zero, than very close to it.
But then, you'll ask me: a big chakra pool divided by a thousand is still almost nothing! And then I'll posit the next part: I'll posit that shadow clones are capable of regenerating their chakra pools. It makes sense. Shadow clones can feel tired, I am fairly sure, and capable of feeling mental strain. So, it makes sense that they can also rest and restore chakra, which is a combination of mental and physical energies. Hell, one could argue in favor of respiring chakra in the form of microbial life and senjutsu energy diffused in the atmosphere! Non-sages can't use senjutsu energy, or at least can't concentrate it, but it's still there, it's bound to have an effect. And Naruto does, in fact, have quick regeneration rate for his chakra. Not "I never run out", but canonically 'I'm always ok after a night's sleep".
So, I'm positing that Naruto can use his shadow clone jutsu like he does because he's insanely talented chakra manipulation prodigy that grinded that jutsu for an equivalent of a thousand years of constant use and who quickly regains the energy spent on it from the first sixty or so clones to be dispelled among thousands he can make due to how chakra regeneration works.
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Unfortunately no update tonight because I took a nap instead of writing. Will update tomorrow with you guys confronting Neji. On one hand pre-finals Neji is an absolute prick to end all pricks (I just rewatched the Neji vs. Naruto fight for reference and dear fucking god), On the other hand Tenten is one of the few people he actually tolerates spending time with.
However, I did get a finished commission by the lovely @Andelevion, so I'm posting that in lieu of an update. So this is canon what Tenten looks like in the outfit she decided to buy (the one that earned the most votes is the one I commissioned even though she bought both. So check it. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.
However, I did get a finished commission by the lovely @Andelevion, so I'm posting that in lieu of an update. So this is canon what Tenten looks like in the outfit she decided to buy (the one that earned the most votes is the one I commissioned even though she bought both. So check it. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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But that has no where to keep weapons for easy access.Unfortunately no update tonight because I took a nap instead of writing. Will update tomorrow with you guys confronting Neji. On one hand pre-finals Neji is an absolute prick to end all pricks (I just rewatched the Neji vs. Naruto fight for reference and dear fucking god), On the other hand Tenten is one of the few people he actually tolerates spending time with.
However, I did get a finished commission by the lovely @Andelevion, so I'm posting that in lieu of an update. So this is canon what Tenten looks like in the outfit she decided to buy (the one that earned the most votes is the one I commissioned even though she bought both. So check it. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.