4) was already mentioned in thread.
One could of course posit that the reason they are using such a loose system is because they can afford it,because their advantage is so overwhelming that they do not need the benefits of empire (or the complete destruction of their enemies) The issue with that is that humanity is currently living inside a blank space left in their design.From the reactions of the Tribune Fleet and its commander one can deduce Practice is something they really, really do not want to see around
Tribute fleets are meant to be beaten (reread: the explicitely addressed databases we found, and the SL's poem, as well as the fact they suicided in the 2nd battle of Sol).
Whether or not they have a problem with Practice or something that looks like Practice or the means to get Practice-like abilities is open.
 
4) was already mentioned in thread.

Tribute fleets are meant to be beaten (reread: the explicitely addressed databases we found, and the SL's poem, as well as the fact they suicided in the 2nd battle of Sol).
Whether or not they have a problem with Practice or something that looks like Practice or the means to get Practice-like abilities is open.

Fair, but if we take Circle of Misery a little further, Practice has healed the trauma of the Week of Sorrows. No trauma means no turning an entire society into Uninvolved. It fits really nicely and even explains 'Defiler', with the defilement being against the 'natural order of things', attaining transcendence though suffering
 
Fair, but if we take Circle of Misery a little further, Practice has healed the trauma of the Week of Sorrows. No trauma means no turning an entire society into Uninvolved. It fits really nicely and even explains 'Defiler', with the defilement being against the 'natural order of things', attaining transcendence though suffering
Or we are partly transcended (the soul well), and decidedly abnormal in the sense that humans use Uninvolved powers while way way way distant from transcending as a whole.
Or Practice-like powers are usually obtained by making deals with the darkness (*).
Or ...
(*) Ultimately, we don't know if that isn't the case with humanity. If you dial up paranoia enough ...
 
I just realized that I probably skimmed though a lot of the fine details getting here and I may have to reread the thread entirely over the next week or so more carefully to get all the lore.

The prospect is really nice:)
 
Also Iris is the cutest AI I have ever read about, just thought that needed saying.:V

Believe me, she knows.

*twitch, twitch, scream*

Moving on.

  • They are using a tributary system like they are the ancient Mesopotamians or the Aztecs, system that were implemented precisely because the hegomon could not project force well enough to control the vassals. Add better force projection and you get an empire let's say Persia
  • One could of course posit that the reason they are using such a loose system is because they can afford it,because their advantage is so overwhelming that they do not need the benefits of empire (or the complete destruction of their enemies) The issue with that is that humanity is currently living inside a blank space left in their design.From the reactions of the Tribune Fleet and its commander one can deduce Practice is something they really, really do not want to see around
  • They send escalating responses like they are a trying to get the enemy a chance to beat them (more on that in speculation below)

Something to note here, as @MTB mentioned is that the Tribute Fleets are specifically designed to be eventually beaten. They want races to win free of the Tributary system and join what might as well be called the galactic community - YMMV if you think it's actually worth calling that. By all appearances, the Tribute Fleets are seen as among the highest form of duty that Shiplords can aspire to, even though the crews know that they might die as a result of the deliberate inefficiencies in the designs. Yet even after a Tributary wins free of that status, they aren't left alone. The Shiplords continue a steady campaign of subversion, as can be seen in Interludes like Strand of Engima and various other comments by the Contact Fleet representatives - and some I've made myself, and do so from behind an oppressive curtain of complete military dominance in the form of the War Fleets.

Another thing that you will not have seen due to it being stated (I believe) only in the thread and not in-story is that the War Fleets were very much not built for what they're currently used for. They've fought contemporaries, though, or close enough in the past and the results have been devastating. Regulars, well, there's not a great deal known about them at present that Amanda has access to, but Insight data is (as said in last turn's News post) beginning to filter down on that. As one of the commanders of the 223, she's pretty high up that chain - I'll do a post on the matter closer to the time of Third Sol.

Practice is very obviously something that induced strong emotional response in the Shiplords, something that was outright bizarre to the Contact Fleet species, and when it transitioned into something other than rage, it escalated massively beyond that point. Obviously, I can't get into the reasoning of why the response was so strong, or so bipolar, but I can tell you that it caused a near total reevaluation of humanity's stake in the war that will likely begin in earnest with the Third Battle of Sol. It's easy to see why Practice is such a threat, though. Purify in itself wiped a starship from existence, and now that Amanda understands more of what she did, it could do far more. It's allowed humanity to produce a scanner which should be capable of detecting Shiplord nanosubversions, and is also capable of reversing those effects. The former is impressive, the latter...well, the Nileans have spent millennia trying to find a way to do it. Amanda just, well, did it. She Spoke a Word, and it was done. Kendl's reaction to that is very much in keeping with the wider one that those in the know among the Community would give.

They have better tech than anyone else in the galaxy (as far as we know IC)

The Neras might have as good or better FTL, given it's something that they can just do without the need for a drive - and they've apparently been around for a very long time as well. I'm pretty sure that meeting a Neras is actually quite high on the thread's wishlist, simply due to what they hope they could learn from them. If you'll ever get to do so, well, is another matter ;)
 
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If you'll ever get to do so, well, is another matter ;)
<Neran does a general predictive model evaluation after incorporating the updates from their spy>.
"General broadcast: Avoid galactic section 1123 for at least 1/1000nd of a galactic rotation"
Human: "Where are these Nerans our visitors were talking about?"
 
Another question that just occurred to me: how fast can a non-obsolete Shiplord ship cross the galaxy? The reason I want to know is because that will tell us how big it is to them, how likely that parts might still be unexplored, perhaps holding more of those rivals.
 
Another question that just occurred to me: how fast can a non-obsolete Shiplord ship cross the galaxy? The reason I want to know is because that will tell us how big it is to them, how likely that parts might still be unexplored, perhaps holding more of those rivals.

A War Fleet drive can jump multiple times a second, but in many ways that's irrelevant. The Shiplords have a galactic-scale instantaneous communications network built around relay stations like the one you saw in Define Overdue.
 
A War Fleet drive can jump multiple times a second, but in many ways that's irrelevant. The Shiplords have a galactic-scale instantaneous communications network built around relay stations like the one you saw in Define Overdue.
I think DP wants to come up with an idea for SL logistics/deployment capabilites and constraints. If you've got 3 warfleets and a cruise speed of 200LY per day, that's another story than 35 warfleets and a cruise speed of 20000LY per day.
 
Obviously, I can't get into the reasoning of why the response was so strong, or so bipolar, but I can tell you that it caused a near total reevaluation of humanity's stake in the war that will likely begin in earnest with the Third Battle of Sol. It's easy to see why Practice is such a threat, though. Purify in itself wiped a starship from existence, and now that Amanda understands more of what she did, it could do far more. It's allowed humanity to produce a scanner which should be capable of detecting Shiplord nanosubversions, and is also capable of reversing those effects. The former is impressive, the latter...well, the Nileans have spent millennia trying to find a way to do it. Amanda just, well, did it. She Spoke a Word, and it was done. Kendl's reaction to that is very much in keeping with the wider one that those in the know among the Community would give.
I still think this quest is secretly an Advent Rising prequel. The plot of which, keep in mind, is basically "An alien species is secretly trying to genocide the scattered remnants of humanity because with adequate training, many human beings have the potential to become psychic demigods." The Practice War seems like it could lead to the kind of almost-mutual kill that could make a species dedicate themselves to the goal of total human genocide purely out of fear of what we could become.
 
A War Fleet drive can jump multiple times a second, but in many ways that's irrelevant. The Shiplords have a galactic-scale instantaneous communications network built around relay stations like the one you saw in Define Overdue.

OK so their communications are effectively yes

That does not paint a good picture for those opposing them since defeat in detail seems like the most viable strategy to use against a disparate alliance like ours
 
OK so their communications are effectively yes

That does not paint a good picture for those opposing them since defeat in detail seems like the most viable strategy to use against a disparate alliance like ours
It gets worse. The SL have a weapon that incites a start to become a nova, and their warfleets are stepwalking a few times per second.
The former is bad for all civilisations stuck in a solar system (and there's lurking things in the darkness for all proto-Culture cultures), and the latter is news for our new friends, they don't have yet a way to fight that.
We are working on defenses for both of these (known) problems, but these are currently static defenses of the Solar system, and even if they work they'd need to be proliferated to our allies before they get roasted.
 
OK so their communications are effectively yes

That does not paint a good picture for those opposing them since defeat in detail seems like the most viable strategy to use against a disparate alliance like ours

Well yes, but...there are other sides to this. Will do a larger post on the matter later on tonight if I can.

(and there's lurking things in the darkness for all proto-Culture cultures)

The Shiplords say that you should not linger between the stars. There's...not exactly much more known.

I still think this quest is secretly an Advent Rising prequel. The plot of which, keep in mind, is basically "An alien species is secretly trying to genocide the scattered remnants of humanity because with adequate training, many human beings have the potential to become psychic demigods." The Practice War seems like it could lead to the kind of almost-mutual kill that could make a species dedicate themselves to the goal of total human genocide purely out of fear of what we could become.

I'd like to hope for a happier ending.
 
Maybe the SL know the Neras are there and they're warning people NOT to let the Neras get to them.
 
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