Why are people so obsessed with and trying so damn hard to convince the GM that a parallel exists, despite Snowfire explicitly rejecting it repeatedly and going so far as to write up an in-character rejection that was clearly the product of giving the matter some deep and honest contemplation?

It bewilders me. Especially since "success" ultimately amounts to badgering Snowfire into saying "you were right" and then ... nothing.
Pretty sure no one is doing that. There are superficial parallels and some mechanical ones should we be raw about it, but the narrative and usage of those are completely different. If anything I'd say that this is far more similar to some unholy mash up of Macross and Ar Tonelico with a decent showing of other scifi compliants such as Mass Effect or Star Wars.

I really need to finish Macross.
 
EXO_PICA has no mermaids...? Not as far as I know, anyway. It has humans, Reyvateils, Will (planetary/solar/universal deity) and occasionally dimensional traveler. No mermaids, though.
Exa_Pico is that which encompasses both Ar Tonelico and its universe, along with Ar Nosurge' s universe. Both games are set within Exa Pico's multiverse but not in the same dimension. Within Nosurge there is certainly a mermaid type of... sharl? But anyway, I was suggesting that Mermaid Melody and Symphogear could theoretically exist within the domain of Exa_Pico's multiverse. An Earth already does! Technically this Earth.

Every OP for the game starts by inviting you to Exa_Pico too.
 
You sighed, then leant forward, eyes suddenly very intent. "It's hard to explain. I've fought against the comparison ever since it started being made, initially as I felt the very idea was a farce. But as it continued, I realised that the immediate jack-knife response wasn't fair. So I looked deeper, past the terminology that had given me my first impressions." You focused, and a pale aquamarine glove flowed into existence up your left arm. You tapped it with a finger. "This is as much a part of me as my hands, Iris, an extension of the power that rests in my soul. I couldn't do it without Siddhartha, and that could be seen as a point in favour of their likeness. But it misses things.

"The connection between a Unisonbound and their Platform has some similarity to the objects and talismans popularised by mahou shoujo media, and it's no surprise that society compares the two. Potentials drew some of that too, particularly the Second and Third Awakenings, but our abilities were less obvious. When Vega and I created the first Unison Platforms, that changed. Society had a tangible and permanent example of capabilities that were, for all intents and purposes, magic." You looked down at the silvery not-metal woven the elbow-length glove, and the hints of light dancing around it. "Little wonder that we sought a comforting identifier."

"And that's where the example falls down, for several reasons. The overwhelming majority of 'Magical Girl' media is exactly what it implies. Stories about painfully young children given power and a reason to use it. The Unisonbound, the Two Twenty Three, we aren't that. Potentials take years to discover the full breadth of their abilities, and Unisonbound are a step above that in complexity. We gain great power, yes, but we learn how to use it. And we only take volunteers." Iris jerked back as your tone cut through the room like a knife, and Mary reached out to squeeze your shoulder.

"That's a big part of why I really don't like talking about this, Iris." You could feel the ice in your eyes, freezing emotion out of your voice. "Power always has a price, and for the children in those series, it's often more than they can bear. It breaks them. Perhaps subtly, but it does, and not all of those 'chosen' survive."
i'll never stop reeeeeeeeee :V
Eh, kinda figured that this was the case. It's a good thing I'm sleeping soon, so I won't cry as long. :sad:
 
But anyway, I was suggesting that Mermaid Melody and Symphogear could theoretically exist within the domain of Exa_Pico's multiverse. An Earth already does! Technically this Earth.
Multiple Earths. At least three that we know of, likely at least four. There's ours, there's Player Three's[1], there's Nei and Aya's, and of course there's Uluria's... which may or may not be the same as one of those.

1: Which appears to be, by far, the most advanced of those. The least advanced? Well, either Uluria's or ours. I'd say Uluria's, except it's been thousands of years since she left.
 
Multiple Earths. At least three that we know of, likely at least four. There's ours, there's Player Three's[1], there's Nei and Aya's, and of course there's Uluria's... which may or may not be the same as one of those.

1: Which appears to be, by far, the most advanced of those. The least advanced? Well, either Uluria's or ours. I'd say Uluria's, except it's been thousands of years since she left.
Jesus I need to pay more attention to No Surge's end of things. Ideally I'd rather play all the games myself, but that's impossible for me. Unless they're on steam and I get a job...

Yet more lp for my backlog. I'm gonna die! If I die, will some kind deity isekai me in a world where songs are magic? I'm off to rewatch Mermaid Melody. I was eleven when I watched it and now I'm very curious to see it will the brain of an adult.
 
God help me, I feel old...
I know the feeling. ._. And then sometimes I feel even older than I physically am because I got such a young start on some things... Being able to refer to events that happened 20 years ago as being something more recent than "when I was a kid"... being able to meaningfully say that I've been in the same industry for 30 years...

People that weren't even conceived yet when I first voted will be voting in the next election. @.@
 
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Exa_Pico is that which encompasses both Ar Tonelico and its universe, along with Ar Nosurge' s universe. Both games are set within Exa Pico's multiverse but not in the same dimension. Within Nosurge there is certainly a mermaid type of... sharl? But anyway, I was suggesting that Mermaid Melody and Symphogear could theoretically exist within the domain of Exa_Pico's multiverse. An Earth already does! Technically this Earth.

Every OP for the game starts by inviting you to Exa_Pico too.

If I may interrupt here, Surge Concerto and Ar tonelico are explicitly said to be located both in EXA_PICO's Universe and in the same dimension besides. Otherwise, certain late-game events would have been impossible in Ar nosurge.
Additionally, our Earth has already been stated to not exist in EXA_PICO's domain due to being located in a completely different universe from it.
But as far as mermaids are concerned, none exist in Ar Ciel, although there are a few mentons to myths about a goddess that had the same appearance as one that served as the origin for the Hymmnos word "walphish".

Multiple Earths. At least three that we know of, likely at least four. There's ours, there's Player Three's[1], there's Nei and Aya's, and of course there's Uluria's... which may or may not be the same as one of those.

1: Which appears to be, by far, the most advanced of those. The least advanced? Well, either Uluria's or ours. I'd say Uluria's, except it's been thousands of years since she left.

Actually, I think we can safely say another Earth isn't the original world for Player Two and Ulylyiha because we've been given a name for their world on the second Arno novel, according to the Interdimend dump that appears as an illustration on it: it's called Flayjha.
 
If I may interrupt here, Surge Concerto and Ar tonelico are explicitly said to be located both in EXA_PICO's Universe and in the same dimension besides. Otherwise, certain late-game events would have been impossible in Ar nosurge.
Additionally, our Earth has already been stated to not exist in EXA_PICO's domain due to being located in a completely different universe from it.
But as far as mermaids are concerned, none exist in Ar Ciel, although there are a few mentons to myths about a goddess that had the same appearance as one that served as the origin for the Hymmnos word "walphish".



Actually, I think we can safely say another Earth isn't the original world for Player Two and Ulylyiha because we've been given a name for their world on the second Arno novel, according to the Interdimend dump that appears as an illustration on it: it's called Flayjha.
Weird. The section of the wiki I remember that talks about younger Shurelia meeting Surge characters mentioned the game's world's didn't take place in the same dimension.

As for Earth not existing within Exa_Pico as a setting/series wise, I would say that since characters from Earth- including us specifically who can go there and exist within it, saying that it doesn't exist there is odd. Even if they're separate over universes or whatever. The game still has the player crossing over from Earth as part of its plot. It's a bit misleading is all.

As for mermaids, I never mentioned Ar Ciel but thanks for the trivia.
 
Weird. The section of the wiki I remember that talks about younger Shurelia meeting Surge characters mentioned the game's world's didn't take place in the same dimension.

As for Earth not existing within Exa_Pico as a setting/series wise, I would say that since characters from Earth- including us specifically who can go there and exist within it, saying that it doesn't exist there is odd. Even if they're separate over universes or whatever. The game still has the player crossing over from Earth as part of its plot. It's a bit misleading is all.

As for mermaids, I never mentioned Ar Ciel but thanks for the trivia.

You might want to recheck the wiki: it does say that Shurelia's presence in Ar nosurge is a contradiction with the timeline, but it doesn't say that Ra Ciela's former location and Ar Ciel exist in separate dimensions. This is also supported by the fact that the method the Ar nosurge characters used to go to Ar Ciel is explicitly called a Third-Axis Shift, which is no more than spatial translocation on the tridimensional plane. Ergo, no time traveling or dimensional jumping.

And it has already been said that they don't exist in the same universe. Plus, we have never gone or existed there in any way beyond the Interdimend control we get over Earthes and Delta which is done solely because the electromagnetic waves existing in our universe are compatible with the Tz-Waves found in EXA_PICO's Universe, making it no more than mere remote controlling. Besides, we wouldn't even be able to exist there as ourselves because the D and H-Waves that compose the material bodies and souls of the people there don't exist in our world and don't seem to have proper equivalents here: the wiki outright states that the exact wave types used in our world are still unknown/undiscovered, and it's possible our physics system isn't even built in the same way as EXA_PICO's is.
 
Interlude: Rosetta
The hushed footsteps of dozens of Insight-Focused filled the air around you. It was a ritual in itself, one you'd only returned to recently. Cool air brushed your face, the half-forgotten scent of clinical sterility sharpened by the chill air. You hadn't realised how much you missed that until the Shiplords took it away. And your own memories were marred by the last of Insight's Thoughtcast, six years ago. Vega had helped you make peace with your actions then, but what you'd been forced to do still hurt. The wound it had left on your soul had healed, but the memory of it was harder to shake.

Two years with only fragments of your Focus available, another two learning to put it back together. The only reason you hadn't gone completely insane was that you hadn't had to suffer alone. Others among Insight had kept you stable despite a shared despair. Then Vega had shown you how to mend the crack that had been driven through your existence. You owed her for that. All of you did.

The door to the Outlook hissed open, and you shook away your thoughts, taking the first step into the new home of the Project. You'd seen the designs, and Insight's organic component had worked hard to bring it into being. But none of you had ever seen this room except as a schematic. There was a reason for that, which you were glad of remembering. Now you were here, it was more than you'd ever hoped for.

The room had been built of shining metal and ceramics, forming an amphitheatre over a hundred meters across. The soft hiss of air scrubbers merged with a background hum of the building's massive computing systems the only sounds other than your own. And scattered across the steps were the new-model interface cradles, the medium of any efficient Thoughtcast. The pattern of ICs would have looked random to anyone outside of the project except some Harmonials, but you all knew your places.

You brushed the cool steel of the raised steps with one hand as you descended towards the centre of the chamber, feeling the purpose below the form. A hundred hands followed suit, tracing the way to their places. It formed another layer of sound in the room, skin and cloth on polished metal; another of the tiny rituals that would bind you into a Thoughtcast. There were over a hundred of them now, Vision's notes on the Elder First's method having tipped you over the century mark.

All of it for a single purpose, and you swallowed around a suddenly dry mouth as you hit the last step. The last time you'd been here...no. You shook your head again, harder this time, and forced your feet forward. Two cradles lay at the centre of the circle, one slightly offset from the other. Yours and your Second's in the Thoughtcast. You felt their presence beside you, the same one as six years past.

"Intimidated?" Alex pitched her voice low, so as to not disturb the careful balance of sounds within the chamber. "It's been a long time, Phoebe."

"It has," you favoured her with a tight smile. "And maybe a little."

"No sense in drawing it out, then." She stepped out ahead of you, turning slightly to face you. "Will you lead our steps between the stars?"

"Guide my body, and my mind shall answer." She offered a hand, and you closed your eyes as you took it.

It was only a handful of steps to the IC, but you never saw them. With your eyes shut, your focus turned inwards, preparing for the test lying ahead of you. There was only so much you could do without a proper test of the new project systems, and this entire process had been proposed to let you find any faults that might still be hiding.

Alex guided you into your cradle, and you heard the other members of Insight setting themselves down. Even that had a timing to it. Deft hands slipped the IC's connections into place, and you smiled again, despite yourself. Your Second paused, a question hovering on her lips.

"It feels like home." You murmured. The world behind your eyes folded out like petals of a distant infinity as the cradles started to synchronise. You didn't need eyes to see the smile on her face. Then she moved away to her own IC, and your focus shifted away from the coordinated distractions of conventional reality. Mind after mind slid into place within the layered web, and your Leads brought their own parts of it together for Alex.

The Thoughtcast was led by you, but without your Second and the Leads below them, you'd never have managed to access the void. All the power of more than a hundred Potential souls, sharing a common Focus and given structure through layer upon layer of synchronised action and verbal affirmation. Alex and your Leads handled that structure for you, leaving your entire mind free to focus on the path you wanted to take. There was just one more step.

"Close your eyes." Your voice swept the Outlook, electric intensity dancing in the stilled air. Pause, take a breath. Three, two, one.

"See the infinity between spaces." The electricity in the air shifted as those words poured from every throat in the chamber. Power near forgotten rushed into the pattern Alex had set around you, and a calm light flooded the world behind your eyes. Carefully restrained from shining too brightly, but yours. A thought flexed the pattern, feeling for any hint of weakness, and warmth filled the shared connection as you found none. Then you stretched it out, to fall across the building that was synchronising the unconscious parts of the Thoughtcast. If there were any faults left, this would find them.

Waves of energy washed across the server banks, fusing them together at a level deeper than any technical expertise could understand. Systems flickered awake at its touch; guidance, control, stealth, security. It was all there, the connections ready to transform it into one enormous tool. Science and effort would take years more. Fortunately, you had something much better.

Practice blazed in the void, and you felt the effects on the material world immediately. Information exchanges formed and grew, separate parts flowing into a single whole, and the calm light of the pattern spread. Acknowledgements flashed across the Thoughtcast, confirming full system activation. You'd hoped for this, but you hadn't dared believe it might happen on the first attempt. That should be the end of the test.

But the careful light of your pattern stretched further, washing across the world and playing across the darkness between stars. The void beyond your world, where the knowledge that Insight had been designed to find lay in heaping piles, if only you knew how to find it. You almost dived in right there, but something held you back. You couldn't do this alone, the last time-

Consensus surged through the pattern, running in parallel to your own thoughts. Six years without a way to access the knowledge just beyond the sight of others. The link was stable, you'd had the safeties checked a thousand times, if not now, when? A hand rose towards the distant lights and endless space between them. Searching, searching…

There.

The Thoughcast rippled like a sail or a kite in a strong wind, the combined power of your brothers and sisters filling it in preparation for the voyage ahead. Then it rocketed into the dark, riding the edge of your own current. Light cloaked your form again, careful against the possibility of a trap, but no bolts of cruel binding shot forth. Joy bubbled deep in your soul, sharpening the path ahead. You knew exactly where you wanted to go this time, all that remained was to find the destination.

Years ago, Insight had predicted that your successful defeat of a Tribute Fleet would draw other powers to humanity, and Earth. The Shiplord trap around the weakness you'd tried to discover had aborted any attempts to find out what that really meant, or who might respond. Amanda had spent a considerable amount of effort on building a diplomatic corps in preparation for them, but you had no idea if anyone had even noticed yet, or when they might arrive. You were going to fix that, and much more besides.

You raced onwards, blurring between the movements that the old system had forced you to dodge or wait to pass, following the wayfinder of tempered instinct as you bore down on a collection of tiny lights. You ducked beneath the shadow of a greater presence, the shell of light around you moulding to match it, and pulled to a sudden stop as the path terminated.

These points of light? They were so small…

But your guiding instincts had never led you wrong. Careful fingers of will spun out from the pattern, shaped quickly by your Leads. They touched one of the points, then another, then another, and information streamed across the invisible connections. You didn't glance at it, the dangers of that had been discovered decades ago. It poured into the reservoir at the core of the pattern, more and more, making you wonder if you'd be able to carry it all. As always, that concern was unfounded. The pattern was a metaphysical construct, after all. If you needed space, there would be enough.

Your return to the physical was almost anticlimactic. You were very aware of the hell you were likely to catch for this, but you couldn't find it in yourself to truly care. You woke to many faces, asking many questions. What you'd thought you'd been doing, what could have happened if you'd been noticed. Yet there was something beneath those questions, and they ran down quickly in favour of asking what you'd been looking for, how everything had performed, and if you'd been successful. It was almost as if…did they understand why you'd done it?

In the end, you asked, and Amanda's reply was quite different to what you'd expected.

"My Focus broke once too, you know." She told you. "The first time I successfully used my Practice after that, I couldn't stop laughing and crying for half a day." She sighed, then squeezed your shoulder. Curiously, you didn't see a reason to object. "You wanted your home back, and now it has been returned to you. Of course we understand."

She grinned then, with a youthful energy that suited her face far too well for a women you knew was nearing seventy. "Of course, you might need to make sure it's all in order. Can't be too careful with new systems like this." You stared, was she really…

"Well," you tapped your chin with a considering finger. "I guess I could check again. If you're sure."

She laughed. The others laughed. You laughed with them.

And the world seemed just a little brighter.

(Project Insight ONLINE. Insight Questions available. Data on alien Contact fleet recovered. Contact fleet will arrive within the next 3 years.)
 
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So you're not getting Phoebe as a Hero Unit, despite what was mentioned in the last Insight related Interlude. What you are getting, is access to an Insight Question as a Major Action. Given how Phoebe is needed as a primary Thoughtcast leader, making her a Hero Unit didn't make much sense. This seemed a good compromise.

Also in case you haven't seen it, Amanda's first Answer is filed under the Informational tab. Made more sense to me than tossing them into Threadmarks with most everything else.
 
You could also put it under the Sidestory tab, if you wanted.

I mean, if my next few answers follow the same pattern as the first one - minor Interludes in their own right rather than just a paragraph or two of text - I will probably do that. If they hold to the pattern that I intended them to, then Informational will probably fit better. I dunno, we'll see.

Thank you for the suggestion, though!
 
"Within 3 years" is a little vague. That could mean next year or the year after that. For a Miracle, I would have expected a concrete number. Did you mean to say that the Contact fleet will arrive in 3 years?

The Miracle was Insight completing in six months compared to two years, and returning a result to boot. I think that's quite enough ;)

Three years is the maximum time. Somewhere around the 2 year mark is the most likely point according to your analysts.
 
Did the 'cast produce any information on the species we expect to arrive or the individuals we expect to represent them?
 
The Miracle was Insight completing in six months compared to two years, and returning a result to boot. I think that's quite enough ;)

Three years is the maximum time. Somewhere around the 2 year mark is the most likely point according to your analysts.
Why is it so uncertain? Does that uncertainty come from indecision on the aliens' part, or variance in their FTL system?
 
Why is it so uncertain? Does that uncertainty come from indecision on the aliens' part, or variance in their FTL system?

Both, although more the latter than the former. Also potentially needing to be careful about their movements, possible system damage, a few other variables. Insight has trouble with pinpoint realspace coordinates, so you're operating under a general estimate of their location.

Did the 'cast produce any information on the species we expect to arrive or the individuals we expect to represent them?

Species, yes. Individuals, no. I'll add something into somewhere (the Compendium most likely) tomorrow with details.

To extend on the Insight result itself, you rolled super good to get the Project itself up and running. This led to a Thoughcast. But that required another roll, made offscreen, and it was considerably more average. So you have information, yes. You don't have a rundown listing of the fleet, perfect precog of its arrival date, or a full crew roster.

Again, the Miracle was how quickly the system got fixed, and the Potentials of the Project actually being successful in initiating a full Thoughtcast.
 
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