The Practice War [Complete]
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Dare I ask who the other one is?As I was saying, Mandy and Mary have two daughters. One of 'em is Iris.
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See the Apocrypha tab. 'A Happy Ever After' threadmark.
ummm no explosions involved . Nor am I talking about massive amounts of inviolate matter. A flywheel battery is just a spinning disc in a vacuum chamber.
You charge it by making it spin faster. You discharge it by applying drag and slowing down the flywheel. Usually both are done via electromagnetic fields to avoid friction.
If its inviolate the wheel doesn't have tensile strength limitations so it can spin arbitrarily fast without breaking. Therefore size doesn't matter for storage capacity. It could technically be the size of a penny, though a pizza would probably be more convenient
With gravity manipulation, keeping the flywheel floating in its vacuum chamber from drifting out of alignment and touching something becomes easier than the methods electromagnetic suspension used IRL. Though putting it in space already simplifies matters
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EM is stronger than gravity. Pretty sure EM suspension would be the better choice unless the Fifth Secret gives us THAT ridiculously precise of control.
It's not a matter of strength or even precision. It's a matter of gravity manipulation being better at preventing micro-gravity induced motion. Plus this bit from wikipedia " The reason superconductors can work well stabilizing the load is because they are perfect diamagnets. If the rotor tries to drift off center, a restoring force due to flux pinning restores it. This is known as the magnetic stiffness of the bearing. Rotational axis vibration can occur due to low stiffness and damping, which are inherent problems of superconducting magnets, preventing the use of completely superconducting magnetic bearings for flywheel applications."
I think Nanoha would be the closer analogy I think. Someone with power and the willingness to use it, who shouldn't have had to, but could not stand aside when their home is in danger.
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Potentials versus Shiplords. Humanity, and the Awakened, also weren't asked if they wanted that power. Or being thrown into that struggle.
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That's not the comparison being made here, though. The Shiplords attacked humanity, which led to the discovery of Practice and the Potentials, this is correct. But.
Here's the thing. Potentials gain their power young, no question. But they are trained in its use as part of their education and given choices of how to apply their Focus. They also have a support structure available to them, that at this point has an excellent understanding of the issues that can surface. It's false equivalence. Not even the wider circumstances have much in the way of similarities.
And yet this still misses the point. Amanda isn't talking about Potentials as a whole. She's talking about the 223, and the comparisons that have been made to them in relation to pre-Sorrows 'magical girl' media. Not the Potentials as a whole. And there she's entirely truthful. No one is forced to take the synchronisation trials. It's an option, like many others. Due to the nature of the 223 as a combat force, there are several barriers present too, one of which is a flat age requirement.
I see where you're coming from, but it's really not the same thing. Potentials going into synchronisation trials have to be able to show a clear understanding of what being part of the 223 means. There's a certain level of mental maturity and strength needed, and if you don't have that you won't be tested.
This is both pragmatism and ethics at work. Potentials are too rare to risk putting one in a position where they're likely to suffer a breakdown. And the 223 are, above all, soldiers. There is a reason that child soldiers are considered horrific today. After the Week of Sorrows, the idea became anathema.
The FSN, and all the other extensions of the War Office exist to protect humanity's future. They aren't going to go sacrificing the most fragile parts of that future, which is why Games and Theory exists. The 223 operate under similar rules.
@veekie makes a good point with Nanoha, but that only really applies to StrikerS. Original and A's both run into the same problem as many others, and StrikerS itself has a section dedicated to showing the price Nanoha paid for her rapid growth.
True, though mostly as a result of her own convictions. Even in seasons 1 and 2, there were others who could have picked up the burden but the protagonists refused to just let it be to the slower, less effective rightful authorities.
Which is a closer match to the choices made by the Potentials. Others should have carried that burden, they did not have to take up esoteric arms to defend their home if the universe was a fairer place
So they did.
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Mermaid Melody Pitchi Pitchi tho. Creamy Mami, etc. =v
LIKE LITERALLY MMPP THO
Shugo Chara too maybe. Cardcaptor Sakura also doesn't exactly fit with what Amanda says either. A lot of the classics don't. Especially Majokko types. Sugar Sugar Rune. Tokyo Mew Mew does but it's the sentai team style.
LIKE LITERALLY MMPP THO
Shugo Chara too maybe. Cardcaptor Sakura also doesn't exactly fit with what Amanda says either. A lot of the classics don't. Especially Majokko types. Sugar Sugar Rune. Tokyo Mew Mew does but it's the sentai team style.
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I wasn't clearly communicating that I'm coming from the point of view of the people that do make these kind of connections in-universe, not from my personal point of view.
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I look forward to the day that our songs are also our attacks and then we ask the enemy if they want an encore please let me have this
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Are you seriously trying to tell me that none of the main cast was traumatised by the finale of the first series? Also season 2. Just in general
RIP Sara ;-;
You'll need to fight with the Symphogear fans, though
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They weren't like, forced into Oh my od you've someone else on SV HAS WATCHED IT HOLY CRAPAre you seriously trying to tell me that none of the main cast was traumatised by the finale of the first series? Also season 2. Just in general
You'll need to fight with the Symphogear fans, though
I believe that mermaids and Earthlings from the Exa_Pico omniverse can and will happily coexist. Now more importantly have you also seen Kaitou Jeanne because you are fast tracking to the favorite user list.
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EXO_PICA has no mermaids...? Not as far as I know, anyway. It has humans, Reyvateils, Will (planetary/solar/universal deity) and occasionally dimensional traveler. No mermaids, though.
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I mean, it was most of ten years ago, but yes. A friend of mine - the same one who came up with some of the truly creepy poetry I've tossed into thread on occasion as well as the Shiplord reply to Amanda Speaking Understand - got me into it. Return to the Sea remains one of my favourite songs from an anime, and I have most of the others sitting around on a Youtube playlist. Koi wa Nandarou has also completely refused to lose any of its optimistic cuteness. I've also got several of the Italian versions, with Battio D'Amore taking the top spot there (Coco, Noel and Karen version). I could go on xD
Somethingsomething Perfect Harmony.
To address what you were starting to say though, Amanda's point was twofold. The first relates to consent, which is a much broader question here than I think most people are aware of for her. Full disclosure of the nature of the power, what it will do to you, the consequences of taking it up, etc. Informed consent of this type is hellishly rare within MG shows. The other point relates to the mental trauma that often gets inflicted on the protags. Mermaid Melody is actually an excellent example of this: see Season 1 finale and specifically how it ends in the cliffhanger that led to season 2. And, again, just all of Season 2.
I'm afraid I must disappoint you. I've heard of the series, but MMPP was the only anime I watched before being turned onto Nanoha two or three years later. I mean, if we're excluding watching the original Sailor Moon with my cousins in the 90s :lol
If I'm reading this right, this is a major reason for why Amanda doesn't speak out against it. Potentials were given power to build upon what lies at core of their existence, and the comparison at that point is quite understandable. It isn't a choice based decision, it just happens. But they're then properly trained in how to use it, and part of that education is establishing a support structure for them. The First missed out on this, and in some ways are living examples of why Amanda dislikes the comparison. None of them broke, but some came very, very close. And they were adults.
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Another possible comparison (I think): Amanda and the 223 pulled incredible stunts that are beyond the mortal realm, saving the day.
So you've got a bunch of (superficial) similarities, and it comes to the 'it looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, ...' effect.
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Amanda specifically noted this in her answer to Iris...
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FUCK YES RETURN TO THE SEA
You are missing out man. SV mahou shoujo fans ought to unite and live stream some old school mahou shoujo series together. There are too many that only know post Nanoha or PMMM and think those invented the 'magical girls is suffering' kind of stuff. And there's always this slinking feeling that they're only in it for preteen lesbianism, which is honestly barf.
You should watch Princess Tutu.
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Wrong section. This is the relevant paragraph:
At this point it's less a matter of interest and more a matter of "Oh god where do I get the time to watch these". I do agree though, and I've had more than a few arguments on other forums about the nature of mahou shoujo stylistics. Nanoha and PMMM are iconic works, sure, but they aren't the foundation of the genre by any stretch of the term. I could rant about post-modernism infecting the dream that ran through the 80s and 90s series for pages, but it's unlikely to be helpful.
I shall look it up.
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Why are people so obsessed with and trying so damn hard to convince the GM that a parallel exists, despite Snowfire explicitly rejecting it repeatedly and going so far as to write up an in-character rejection that was clearly the product of giving the matter some deep and honest contemplation?
It bewilders me. Especially since "success" ultimately amounts to badgering Snowfire into saying "you were right" and then ... nothing.
It bewilders me. Especially since "success" ultimately amounts to badgering Snowfire into saying "you were right" and then ... nothing.
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Which people are you talking about? Because, as can be seen in Snowfire's interlude, there are similarities, but the differences are what's important.
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