[X] Let Vega answer.

The more compassion here the better. People are going to flip no matter what, seeing the leadership staying calm will help.
 
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Letting this out is going to be a major headache, and there will be backlash. And that is why it needs to be done. Purge the wound now, so it doesn't fester. It will only get worse if we leave it.

[X] Let Vega answer.
 
What exactly is Sidra doing at the beginning there? I don't quite understand.

My write-in here is basically the second option, but I felt a little creative.

[x] Write-In: Yes, I Do
"Yes, Marcus, I do. Humanity may never be truly ready for this revelation, but if there ever were a time, this is it. We are united as never before, and our victory here may be the sweetener that mankind needs to help this medicine go down. I trust that we can make it through this."
 
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What exactly is Sidra doing at the beginning there? I don't quite understand.

My write-in here is basically the second option, but I felt a little creative.

[x] Write-In: Yes, I Do
"Yes, Marcus, I do. Humanity may never be [/i]truly ready for this revelation, but if there ever were a time, this is it. We are united as never before, and our victory here may be the sweetener that mankind needs to help this medicine go down. I trust that we can make it through this."
This pretty much nails it, but I think you got your italic tags mixed up.

[X] Coda
 
[x] Express your believe in humanity to be able to cope with it. Prevent repeats? Hell yes. Become mono-focused, bent on revenge? Hell no. Humanity has better things to do than let the Ship Lords decide how to shape their future. And that's a future that includes all of what humanity has the potential to be, not just being blood-thirsty crusaders.
 
What exactly is Sidra doing at the beginning there? I don't quite understand.

Clearing schedules so that they (Mary and Amanda) have some time to talk after this meeting. Mary's mental state is swiftly approaching the realms of a waking nightmare, and Amanda isn't just going to leave her there.
 
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Clearing schedules so that they (Mary and Amanda) have some time to talk after this meeting. Mary's mental state is swiftly approaching the realms of a waking nightmare, and Amanda isn't just going to leave her there.
Does she somehow blames her father for this development because he discovered First Secret and feels guilty by association? Or is she afraid (as THE scientist of this generation) to discover something else that will lead to similar horrible consequences? I don't understand.
 
Does she somehow blames her father for this development because he discovered First Secret and feels guilty by association? Or is she afraid (as THE scientist of this generation) to discover something else that will lead to similar horrible consequences? I don't understand.

The guilt by association was something that she suffered from a great deal after the Week of Sorrows, and if it hadn't been for Amanda becoming friends with her, there was a significant chance that she would have committed suicide. Whilst she's come to terms with it, the knowing of what the Shiplords do with at least some of their Tribute has dredged up all of those issues again. In addition, there is your second point; a fear of unveiling horrors in pursuit of understanding. She's always had an intellectual awareness of that possibility, but she's never actually experienced it.

I am probably going to extend this section to cover at least part of your discussion with Mary, because it's actually rather important to Amanda's own development. Mary's not just your Science Minister, after all.
 
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[5] Let Vega answer.
[2] You had spent decades of your life putting the world back together, and you trusted that work deeply. Marcus might not be of the Circles, but he was part of this one, and that bond was stronger than any rage.
[2] Write-In: Yes, I Do
[1] Express your believe in humanity to be able to cope with it. Prevent repeats? Hell yes. Become mono-focused, bent on revenge? Hell no. Humanity has better things to do than let the Ship Lords decide how to shape their future. And that's a future that includes all of what humanity has the potential to be, not just being blood-thirsty crusaders.

Total No. of Voters: 10

Forgot to add the tally in the post above. I will probably call this in the next few hours, and continue to do quicker votes like this over the course of Shadow of Victory.
 
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[X] Express your believe in humanity to be able to cope with it. Prevent repeats? Hell yes. Become mono-focused, bent on revenge? Hell no. Humanity has better things to do than let the Ship Lords decide how to shape their future. And that's a future that includes all of what humanity has the potential to be, not just being blood-thirsty crusaders.
 
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What's wrong with turning Humanity into a crusade against the Shiplords again?


No, I'm seriously asking. Fuck them, fuck their 'reasons'.

Fuck it. They don't get to exist, if they only go around squishing other species in that moment when they're weak.
 
I'd settle for confining them to their homeworlds and allowing them only to expand as we permit.

Their whole existance is "kill species that break 'the rules', use their remains for stuff". I don't care if 'they have reasons'. Having reasons does not make something not evil.

Fuck 'em, they don't even get a homeworld. They're a blight on the universe. They could claim that God Himself came down from the heavens and this is a Divine Mandate and it wouldn't change a thing. What someone claims and/or believes does not make said beliefs reality.

Unless we get some solid evidence from the QM, I honestly can not take what he's trying to push onto us to be serious.

Shiplords bad. Do what we can to stop them. These are my goals in this quest.


Fuck it.

[x] Let Humanity know the Truth. Trying to hide the facts will only cause people to hate us later.
 
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Their whole existance is "kill species that break 'the rules', use their remains for stuff". I don't care if 'they have reasons'. Having reasons does not make something not evil.

Fuck 'em, they don't even get a homeworld. They're a blight on the universe. They could claim that God Himself came down from the heavens and this is a Divine Mandate and it wouldn't change a thing. What someone claims and/or believes does not make said beliefs reality.

Unless we get some solid evidence from the QM, I honestly can not take what he's trying to push onto us to be serious.

Shiplords bad. Do what we can to stop them. These are my goals in this quest.
...I think you're mistaking the Shiplords for Daleks. I see no indication they are biologically incapable of coexisting with others, merely culturally incapable.
 
...I think you're mistaking the Shiplords for Daleks. I see no indication they are biologically incapable of coexisting with others, merely culturally incapable.

Until I see otherwise, any species that has the whole existence of 'kill others' as their main goal is not a species I want to share a universe with. If they chose to change then I'll change as well.

Letting something live that has the mentality of 'kill you' is a stupid idea.
 
What's wrong with turning Humanity into a crusade against the Shiplords again?

"If we let ourselves forget everything that we were before the Week of Sorrows, if we sacrifice our compassion and humanity to become weapons, then the Shiplords win. For they will have succeeded in destroying humanity."

There is a difference between a war and a crusade. Amanda knows that the first is inevitable, and she will not falter from that path now that she knows how the Shiplords build their ships. The second is very, very different. A crusade, in the terms expressed here, involves sacrificing all else for the cause of defeating or wiping out the Shiplords. To accept that such sacrifice is necessary, and that all will be cast aside to become weapons. That is a path that the Elder First fought to keep humanity free from, because that sort of sacrifice can easily become perpetuating and ultimately self-destructive. Amanda has spent most of her life strengthening the works of the Elder First to prevent that happening.

She accepts that humanity needs soldiers; men and women who are willing to sell their lives dearly if they have, but to do so intelligently and not seek death. Inevitably, what she has to say to humanity will alter that somewhat. But how she does so is what will dictate how far humanity slides down that road. There is also the established fact that humanity is not in any universe ready to embark upon a war with the Shiplords. You're learning quickly, but you can't do it alone.

Atop that, there is the analysis presented in Unknown Potential, which still holds. Even if humanity can unite enough of galactic civilisation against the Shiplords, a war against them will still leave the galaxy a shattered wreck. I repeat, Amanda isn't going to flinch from that, but the damage inflicted on all sides by a crusade will be far higher.

[x] Let Humanity know the Truth. Trying to hide the facts will only cause people to hate us later.

Amanda is taking this information to the people, that's not up for debate in this vote. This and the next few sections will dictate how she does so. In relation to your discussion on Shiplord motivations and the like, I'm going to give you a quote. It's probably paraphrased, and I can't remember the source.

"Only a man who believes he is good can do true evil."

This applies both ways.
 
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Once again; you say Daleks, I say WWII Germany or Japan.

You know, I was going to reference Nazi Germany but I didn't want to do a Godwin in my argument.

Nazi Germany is a perfect example. They BELIEVED what they were doing was good, was needed. I doubt you will find a sane person alive who agrees with them now.
We crushed the Nazi's and their war machine down to the point where there was nothing left. Then occupied them until they rebuilt and made sure it wasn't the same. Hell, we helped them rebuild even.

But only AFTER crushing them.

The Shiplords are the same to me. I don't care what they believe, I don't care what they think their facts are. They are doing evil. People stand aside and let them do evil.

If they are willing to change, then ok. Otherwise no.

As of this moment, to me they are Darleks yes. I've seen nothing proving otherwise. Having emotions does not make one not evil.
 
People stand aside and let them do evil.

Little confused by this comment, actually.

[1] Express your believe in humanity to be able to cope with it. Prevent repeats? Hell yes. Become mono-focused, bent on revenge? Hell no. Humanity has better things to do than let the Ship Lords decide how to shape their future. And that's a future that includes all of what humanity has the potential to be, not just being blood-thirsty crusaders.

I think missed out the x on this vote.
 
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