The Lost Primarch Quest

[Blazblade]

Welp, looks like Ori is going to have to make EVEN MORE contingency plans then he ever imagined.

 

[psir11]

That he is. The prophecy is concerning but should be doable. Making though, we must maje sure to gather as more info as we can. Still don't know much about Cruxis.

 

[Lord4StarCommand]

Makima the anti-daemonic daemonsbane as mistress to Orion and his wife is such a freaking funny image, specially when Aelred asks "Who is this woman and why does she look at dad with flustered eyes?".

Oh God, Baldur may gave the boy instructions!

Hehehe, Yesugei's blessing on the boy worked.

Now I can't wait to hear Khan's reaction to all the shit happening in Imperium when he returned.


Now I can wait to see what Kesar and Celestial Dominion's alliance can lead to.


Ohoho Ori gonna throw all his contigencies just from learning about the C'tans.


Good thing Kesar gonna meet Roboute and the Twins to tell them about the Cruxis.

 

[Ruirk]

I got bored this morning and thought about what it would be like for a TLP inspired opening crawl in which Emps went really hard into the faith route.

---

The One Above All

It is a time of divine conquest...

The galaxy trembles under the weight of a new order that emerged from the once desolate ruins of Sol. It is a realm of the ancient and the modern, guided by the light of the Astronomican and commanded by the will of the God-Emperor of Mankind—the One Above All.

Had the fates been different, the God-Emperor would have rejected the notion of faith. Now? He is not just the ruler of the material realm but the supreme deity over the Heavens and Earth.

The creation of the Imperial Faith, Holy Unity, ultimately led to the absorption of humanity's faiths. As the faithful cried out for their gods to return, they did so under the pretense that the gods themselves would embrace Holy Unity. Upon their return, the Old Gods of Terra kneeled before the unmatched glory of the God-Emperor of Mankind.

Soon, the Great Crusade began—the greatest test of faith for all of humanity.

Under the Emperor's divine mandate, the vast armies of the Imperium have swept across the stars in a Great Crusade to conquer and convert.

Wherever the remnants of old faiths are found, Imperial Missionaries are dispatched to weave the God-Emperor into their core tenets, reshaping every belief system to venerate the One Above All, for He now is the Supreme Ruler of all things born of Humanity.

Trillions of worshipers and their sects now see Him as the manifestation of their long-awaited prophecies, while others bow to Him. Their followers are taught that the God-Emperor has risen above them all, and as they see His great armies of celestials, Astartes, and humans, they understand that this is the truth.

The myriad alien races that dared resist this new divine order have been shattered and erased from history, their false gods broken under the relentless might of the Emperor's faithful. Yet those who bow before His awesome might are spared, and their gods may find a place in Holy Unity.

Such is the fate of the galaxy. For it is the dawn of a new, holy age for humanity.

Who can deny that they live in a time of divinity and prosperity? Gleaming citadels of marble and gold rise as grand temples, celebrating the countless victories of the God-Emperor, while Celestials, once thought to be of myth and legend, soar above His worlds, ever vigilant and protective, like dogs protecting the shepherd's flock. Across the vast expanse of space, the faithful triumphantly gather to honor the epic deeds of His most powerful and divinely ordained warriors, their prayers carried by the Astronomican and countless heralds, demagogues, and missionaries.

Yet, His armies bring about Holy Unity across these darkened stars.

First and foremost among these are the Primarchs, the demigods of the God-Emperor, each a living incarnation of His divine will. These super-heroic beings, the zenith of the Emperor's sacred genetic craft, lead His armies of Space Marines—mighty warriors consecrated to His service.

They are more than mere soldiers; they are holy champions, embodying aspects of the divine archetypes from every faith restructured by the God-Emperor's hand. Each is blessed with the power to vanquish scores of enemies in combat, for they carry the God-Emperor's light and those of the pantheons that follow Him.

Yet the God-Emperor did not craft only superhumans and demigods; the Celestial Armies came forth from the knowledge and unity of the gods that now serve His. These celestial beings, drawn from the spiritual traditions of countless human cultures, have been reshaped to represent His vision and glory.

Creatures of myth and faith tower over the mortal armies. The Angelos Imperatoris, the Enlightened and Luciferian Hosts, Djinnic and Deva Legions, the Aesir Guard and Olympian Cohorts, the Solar Seraphs, the Unyielding Matsuwd, and hundreds of minor celestial groups that bear the regalia of the God-Emperor and His Imperium.

They are not just warriors and spirits but the living symbols of the God-Emperor's unchallenged supremacy, the holy enforcers of His will, and the guardians of His eternal kingdoms.

Beyond these super-human legions and celestial hosts is the Imperial Army. Drawn from every corner of the galaxy, these soldiers are the many and mighty of humanity, sworn to uphold Holy Unity and the One Above All decrees. Each regiment is more than just a fighting force; it is a congregation of the faithful, its banners adorned with holy icons, its weapons blessed by the priests of the Holy Unity. It fights not just with steel and fire but with the fervor of true believers, knowing that the Gods are watching. If it falls in battle, it will have an opportunity to prove itself and enter one of the many paradises that await the dead.

At the heart of the Imperium's technological might lies the Mechanicum, the keepers of the sacred knowledge of Mars and the only power allowed to maintain a monopoly on the mysteries of the machine. The Mechanicum's tech-priests are revered as the custodians of the Divine Forge, and their every action is a sacred rite performed in the name of the Emperor, whom they venerate as the Omnissiah.

For how could they not when the God-Emperor bestowed upon them the secrets to create true God-Machines and the mysteries lost to even the Ancients of the Golden Age? Yet, this alliance is one of mutual need and respect, for the Mechanicum's loyalty is to the Omnissiah, and their devotion to the Holy Unity often intertwines with their own old rites and beliefs.

Yet beyond the formal armies and the sacred forges lies a force of unparalleled devotion and piety—the Blessed Legions. An unofficial but potent coalition of pilgrims, militia, mercenaries, and devout civilians, the Blessed Legions are the heart and soul of the Great Crusade and Holy Unity. These warriors are not bound by military oaths but by their unyielding faith, driven to fight in the name of the One Above All and to which all their faith flows, for it is faith that gives them power.

It is said that the Blessed Legions can call forth miracles on the battlefield. Whether it is the appearance of celestial visions, the sudden strength to overcome impossible odds, or the divine protection that turns aside enemy fire, these miracles are seen as the direct intervention of the gods and perhaps even the One Above All.

Yet for all his armies and might, the One Above All and His Imperium face many challenges to humanity's divine right. Even as the Imperium stands resplendent in its faith and power, the galaxy is far from secure. The God-Emperor's divine mandate faces countless enemies, each threatening the unity and sanctity of His realm.

From the darkest corners of the warp, the insidious forces of Chaos plot to corrupt and destroy all that the Emperor has built. These foul entities, the primordial embodiments of humanity's darkest impulses, seek to drag the faithful into the abyss, their whispers of heresy and false gods a constant danger to the souls of the Imperium. Worse yet, the Exalted of Chaos have begun their own play to become gods in their own right as a means to challenge the "kneeler" gods of Old Earth.

The Orks, brutish and numberless, rampage across the stars in endless WAAAGH!s, their crude warbands a relentless scourge that even the most devout armies of the Emperor struggle to contain. The Orks have heard of the great armies of humanity and the Celestials that serve alongside the Astartes Legions, which offers a unique challenge driving the greenskins to reach new and perhaps even apocalyptic heights of power.

The enigmatic Eldar, ancient and aloof, manipulates the fates of worlds from the shadows. Their motives are inscrutable, and their power is considerable. These xenos, remnants of a once-great civilization now in decline, see the eventual subjugation of their species into humanity's Holy Unity, but their sights also see an opportunity to regain their greatness…they need only push the humans in the right direction.

But these are not the only threats to the Imperium's divine mission. Countless alien empires and horrors lurk from beyond. The galaxy teems with Heathens and Heretics, those who refuse to bow to the One Above All, clinging to their outdated and misguided beliefs. The horrors of the Long Night, ancient terrors that predate even the rise of humanity, stalk the dark void between the stars, waiting for their chance to strike.

These enemies, both within and without, beset the Imperium on all sides. Though divine, the God-Emperor is not omnipotent, and the burden of defending His realm falls upon His armies, servants, and people. The Primarchs command His greatest armies, while the Old Gods wage unseen wars within the Warp or carry out the schemes of the One Above All.

It is a glorious period, yet the faithful must stand strong, for the war for the galaxy's soul has begun. The true tests of faith await. For in the uncertain darkness of the far future, there is only holy war and the thundering of the heavens above.

---

@Daemon Hunter I just wanted to get something done real fast since I felt like this would be easy enough to make with ChatGPT's help.

 

[Gavran]

@Daemon Hunter how are mutants,abhumans and beastman treated in the imperium and how are they seen by the human population.

 

[Daemon Hunter]

@Daemon Hunter how are mutants,abhumans and beastman treated in the imperium and how are they seen by the human population.

Click to shrink...

It varies from planet to planet, but the default/average is of second-class citizens. Some are better, some are worse. As for how they're viewed, that's generally along the lines of poorly

 

[Ruirk]

For context, there was a brief bit of rolling in regards to Orion and Slayer doing a simulated run and it didn't work out as expected, but it did develop into something else.

---

Unexpected Disconnect and Connection

The Eternal Wardens held a unique perspective on training: "If you aren't practicing, then you are dreaming." This phrase often puzzled those unfamiliar with Astartes training methods, particularly non-Astartes or serfs, due in part to the peculiar function of the Catalepsean Node.

The Catalepsean Node, like most specialized organs implanted in a Neophyte during their induction, is a vital asset for an Astartes. One of its most significant benefits lies in its role during hypno-indoctrination, enabling the Marine to interface with a device known as the hypnomat.

The hypnomat is an extraordinary piece of technology designed to impart knowledge without the need for active learning on the user's part. It efficiently transfers information, saving time and allowing the user to relive memories with full sensory immersion. However, full immersion in the hypnomat requires the Catalepsean Node to function optimally, which led to the adoption of the term "dreaming" among the Astartes.

For most Marines, the experience of using the hypnomat is akin to a state of half-sleep—a liminal space where they are not fully present, yet their minds perceive everything with an intensity that feels "real." In this state, sensations are dulled, but pain is vivid enough to provoke genuine physical responses. This feature was particularly useful for Apothecaries, as it allowed them to monitor the Neophytes, ensuring their Astartes organs function correctly.

However, for fully inducted Astartes, especially those who had already seen combat, the hypnomat could be a source of irritation.

The Legions had instituted a strict mandate requiring all Astartes to undergo academic lessons or tactical simulations, which often meant less time for sparring or more hands-on, practical training. To these seasoned warriors, the hypnomat was seen as a necessary but bothersome tool that detracted from the more valuable, experiential learning they preferred.

However, there were notable exceptions to the usual disdain for the hypnomat, particularly when a hero of the Eternal Wardens was ready to "share" a unique combat encounter with his brothers. Through the hypnomat, memories could be transferred to those who had never faced the particular foe, offering a rare chance to test themselves against an adversary unlike any they had encountered—or one that the champion in question had already vanquished.

This practice also allowed a Marine to measure himself against a foe that had challenged a fellow brother, allowing him to see if he could have fared better in the same circumstances. Though this unspoken competition might seem disrespectful, it was never openly acknowledged, as it could be seen as an insult to the brother offering the memory.

In truth, such instances were rare. More often, sharing these experiences was a way to strengthen bonds, learn from victories or narrow defeats, and prepare for future encounters. For the Eternal Wardens, this practice was vital. Their war against Chaos and daemonkind meant facing enemies who played by different rules and wielded powers and weapons that were often unpredictable, unprecedented, and exceedingly dangerous.

This is to say that it was a great honor and a sign of brotherhood, a chance to learn and grow together. Rarely did such honest intentions ever backfire.

---

Oriacarius was displeased. This was not unusual these days. It seemed every problem and dilemma now found its way to his desk, but what truly irked the First Captain were issues of 'drama'—a term he found childish yet fitting for most of the petty disputes that occasionally flared up among Astartes.

Despite their grandeur and purpose, Astartes were still men, each striving to be the "alpha" of the pack—a concept the warriors of Fenris would readily affirm and one that Oriacarius understood well. Astartes had to be aggressive, ambitious, and proud; they were fearsome warriors, some of the most dangerous in the galaxy.

Of course, discipline, honor, and brotherhood were integral to their nature, for they were soldiers and champions of the Imperium, meant to inspire courage and hope in humanity. Yet Oriacarius knew it was essential to acknowledge the personal dynamics within their ranks—the rivalries, the pride, and the occasional conflicts between them.

And so, he wasn't particularly thrilled when one of the Triquetra, Raz, arrived with a report about a training incident Oriacarius had already caught wind of. As the marine overseeing the "dreaming" sequences for the heroes of the Wardens, Raz took a keen interest in their mental well-being and monitored their cohesion closely.

"What exactly is the problem?" Oriacarius asked, not bothering to glance at the report. "Because I've already heard there was an issue before you even reached my office."

Raz looked unimpressed, "Drama does indeed travel fast."

"Spare me the quips, please," Oriacarius said, weary. "Just tell me what happened."

"During one of the training simulations initiated by the Primarch's orders, Captain Jesk and our resident Doom Slayer were assigned to the usual five-stage sequence, which included sanctioned daemonic simulations," Raz began. "But before you ask, 'Was that the source of the incident?' No, it wasn't."

Daemonic encounters within the Hypnomat had to be meticulously managed lest something unnatural occur—like an unconscious Warp summoning or another form of incursion. While Oriacarius didn't expect any daemon to take risks with Kesar nearby, caution was always advisable.

"So if that wasn't the issue, what happened?"

Raz shrugged, "The Slayer can't work with Captain Jesk or Durante ."

"Pardon?"

"The Slayer was exceedingly aggressive in his attacks, but he largely disregarded Captain Jesk's role, only asking for support when necessary. By the third stage, the Slayer was handling most encounters solo. Captain Jesk didn't appreciate being sidelined."

Oriacarius could hardly believe what he was hearing. "So, it's just a clash of egos. What else is new?" The Slayer's enthusiasm was well-known; nothing surprising there. "But this irritated Oriom enough to escalate?"

"Not quite," Raz continued. "Orion didn't voice his frustrations until after a decision was made before the fifth stage to bring in Durante, as our dear Knight-Warden hadn't worked with them before. It's important to note that, within the sequence, both Jesk and Orion had 'suffered' significant wounds, so it was a sound tactical decision to bring in additional support. However, when the fifth sequence began, the Slayer effectively left Orion and Durante to provide what could generously be called support—though I'd describe it as him ignoring them entirely."

"What?" Oriacarius was baffled. "Slayer works well with other Marines all the time without issue."

"Yes, with those he knows well," Raz clarified. "But the truth is, he doesn't know Orion or Durante that well, and I suspect that if he feels no one can keep up with him, the Slayer doesn't necessarily see them as useful in a fight."

Oriacarius felt this assessment was unfair to the Slayer. "Raz, what makes you think that's the issue?"

"Honestly?" Raz replied, adopting a clinical tone. "I believe there's an underlying, unspoken tension among what I'd call the 'old guard' of this Legion. Some of our more seasoned members seem to harbor a belief that those who haven't participated in the most recent campaigns aren't fully accepted."

"How do you see that?" Oriacarius asked. "Orion has been with the Wardens from the beginning, and Durante has been just as active and instrumental in the last several campaigns."

Raz hesitated, clearly uncomfortable with where the conversation was heading. "With respect, Orion was absent for twenty years while the Wardens fought across numerous campaigns. Durante, meanwhile, is... an outsider by his very nature now. Both men have also spent considerable time with those outside the Legion. Orion carries a stigma due to his past association with the Archtraitor, and there's a perception that he prefers the company of the 5th Legion over his own brothers."

The Librarian shifted uneasily. "I'm not saying the Slayer is intentionally acting this way. It could be a subconscious reaction based on these underlying tensions. If it were just Captain Jesk, I might have dismissed it as a simple clash of egos, but with Durante involved as well?" Raz shook his head. "There's something more to it."

"So all of this led to... what? An argument between the three of them?"

Raz nodded. "Durante mostly kept quiet, but while there was no shouting, Orion and the Slayer had a heated exchange about whether the Slayer cared enough to keep them in the loop during the simulation. I had to get involved when a few remarks about competency and brotherhood were uttered and told all three of them to leave. I admit it was not exactly a great de-escalation on my part, but it worked."

Oriacarius felt an urge to punch or shoot something. Bickering among the Legion's heroes? It was detrimental to morale and made his job of managing assignment requests infinitely more complicated. "Since you seem to grasp the situation better, what do you recommend I do?"

"For starters? Don't blow this out of proportion. All three have probably already moved on from the incident. In fact, Orion invited Durante to try an entirely different simulation."

"Really?" Oriacarius perked up at this bit of good news. "And how did that go?"

"Quite well, actually. Orion quickly realized that, due to his unique nature, Durante could maneuver through the flames of Orion's sword. They used this to their advantage and successfully defeated a dangerous Aeldari archon. This victory boosted both men's spirits, especially after Orion invited Durante and Vergil to join him and his... spouses for dinner."

Raz looked slightly amused. "Durante tried to explain that he and Vergil aren't exactly the most conventional individuals anymore, but Orion waved the concerns off, saying that he and his spouses were surprisingly used to such things."

"Good to hear," Oriacarius nodded, though his expression remained thoughtful. "But you had other points?"

"Yes," Raz continued. "I wouldn't recommend putting Slayer, Orion, and Durante on a mission together, at least not for a while. We need to accept the reality of the situation—not everyone will get along. That said, war has a way of forging bonds. If you must deploy all three together, either set clear expectations from the outset or assign someone to keep the peace."

It took all his willpower not to sigh. "Lovely. I'll need time to process this, but I'm not about to start tinkering with deployment preferences." Still, Oriacarius would keep this in mind if a situation arose. "Anything else?"

"I think it might be best that after this whole business with the secession concludes, in whatever direction that ends up going, that a recommendation be placed to the Primarch to do something, anything really, to help raise spirits and renew our mutual accord as brothers. A tournament or maybe even festival with the locals, two birds with one rock, as the old Terran saying goes," Raz suggested once more, "We're all in this together, now. A little reminder of that is in order."

It was a good suggestion, though its execution would hinge on many factors. "I'll pass that along to the Primarch. In the meantime, watch for similar issues among our forces and report them directly to me. I'd rather not burden Kesar with the worry that his sons are at each other's throats."

Raz bowed slightly. "As you command. Though it might not be well-received, I'll initiate a new series of mandated dreaming sessions for as many senior staff and veterans as possible. Just be aware, this could stir up some discontent."

"Because it'll raise too many questions?"

"Because no one likes mandated dreaming sessions," Raz replied dryly. "Even though they are quite beneficial."

"I'm well aware, Raz." Oriacarius couldn't help but think of how much his brothers still grumbled at the thought of mandatory training. It made him wonder how many still clung to the childish belief that entering a classroom was the worst fate imaginable.

---

@Daemon Hunter Just a short one.

 

[Daemon Hunter]

Spoiler: Winning Vote

[X] Plan: All In
-[X] Before War Strategy Meetings
-[X] An Open Truth

Kesar had always been honest to a fault. Despite the strategic, economic, social, and political benefits to wait until the last moment before seceding he didn't think that was for the best. It would lead to a period of hybrid warfare, where Alpha Legion operatives and Sigillites could act openly either in support or opposition. The thought of having to fight and kill his nephews made his stomach churn, and so Kesar wanted to pursue the option that was least likely to lead to their deaths.

"Oriacarius," Kesar uttered as the room looked at him. "Stay, the rest of you are dismissed."

The other members of the Legion trailed out of the room along with Karcer. The only delay was from Oriacarius taking Maticus to the side and handing a dataslate before telling him to enact one of the plans on it.

Once the room was empty save the two of them, the First Captain of the Wardens sighed. "So, we're doing this then?"

Kesar nodded seriously, before gesturing to the empty board next to them. "We have a lot to plan."

"We should start with the timing." Oriacarius looked at the board before writing a brief timeline on it. "Most of our planning will be dependent on it."

"How much of a plan do you have?" Kesar asked seriously, "I don't think we can contest the Imperium in the shadows, but if you have an alternative …"

"I have one," Oriacarius admitted easily, "but it's a skeleton due to the complexity. It highlights the important decisions to make and pitfalls that'll occur."

"I believe it's best to leave as soon as possible," Kesar explained, "a hybrid war is not in our best interests."

"I fully agree," Oriacarius said, marking on the board when the secession would be publicly announced and implemented. "Next is how we will go about planning within the Legion." At this, the First Captain sighed, "Based on how Mortarion's secession went, I must reluctantly caution against full secrecy."

The Primarch of the Wardens looked at his son. It was an unexpected warning from Oriacarius as he fully expected him to support keeping it as secret as possible. "Go on," he said, gesturing with his hand.

"Mortarion made many mistakes due to a lack of complete information. While I believe our administrative system is better as is our information handling metrics, I've realized it's extremely important to avoid issues that'll result from unknown unknowns." The First Captain stated, writing several bullet points on the board as he did. "It's important to stress that this doesn't mean I support freely sharing this information, rather I favor contacting experts within the Legion such as Auro and Solarus. They may not have an opinion on secession, but they are knowledgeable in fields we are not."

"Hmm," it was an avenue Kesar had considered, although in his eyes it would blindside many of his sons. "Would it not cause an increase in the number of Wardens that choose to leave the Legion? As well as an increase in the amount of information that leaks from displeased Astartes?"

Oriacarius conceded the point with a nod, "Yes, but I view hostile action as a greater threat than internal unity."

"I don't feel the same," Kesar replied, ensuring he kept his tone neutral to avoid sounding judgemental. "Acting in the dark while keeping this secret from my sons does not sit well with me." Turning it over in his mind, Kesar could almost feel the sense of betrayal that wound coil within the hearts of some of the more loyalist-minded. "One of the major issues I've seen in rebellions has been a lack of internal unity," he began to think of it from a utilitarian perspective, trying to avoid his emotions coloring his thought process. "I think it's important the secession starts off on the right foot."

"I can accept the reasoning," the First Captain said, neither pleased nor displeased by the decision. Marking it down on the board, he gazed over it before coming to the next focal point. "There are a few planets that are likely to remain loyalist," taking out a dataslate, Oriacarius quickly opened up a database on it before filtering it according to a set of complex variables. "Of them, four would cause significant issues for the Legion should they be allowed to act against us."

"You're suggesting we preemptively secure them?" Kesar asked, having considered a similar line of thought. "While Mortarion's method was poorly implemented, allowing them to choose their side would be the right decision morally."

"Losing access to Zhen IV, Undel, Mezoa, or Mannheim would cause us considerable strife," Oriacarius replied, providing the dataslate to Kesar who began to peruse it.

Kesar recognized all of these names as notable past compliances. Baldur had used Kesar's notes to bring Zhen IV into compliance over 4 decades ago, Maticus fought a series of snipers on Undel, Mezoa had been a frustrating diplomatic mission for Baldur, and Mannheim produced a truly massive quantity of lasguns. Losing any of them would mean losing access to the majority supplier of a specific war material within Svarga. Zhen IV produced the outright majority of aquatic vehicles in the Imperium while Mannheim produced 40% of all las DMRs. Mezoa was a truly prosperous forge world whose Knights fought alongside his sons while 20% of Solar Auxilia snipers were trained by Undel.

"And yet, strong-arming them into joining would alienate others." Kesar succinctly put it after he read through the dataslate and learned what these worlds were currently producing.

"We don't have to be obvious about it," Oriacarius retorted. "A single squad meeting with the Mezoan Fabricator-General can 'convince' them while stationing a garrison above the planet would exert enough pressure to modify their decisions." Writing down the benefits of this form of aggressive diplomacy, the First Captain added yet another reason for it. "We can even excuse it by saying these worlds deserved to know personally rather than through a mortal auxiliary."

Kesar thought about the suggestion for the moment, realizing some of the benefits of this position. "If we make it clear we won't stop them with force, I could accept this," he agreed. Attempting to persuade worlds to stay with him was more than acceptable, it was only if he stopped them via force that would make it wrong. "There are a few diplomats we could send alongside a few Wardens."

"Yes," Oriacarius said slowly, clearly having something to add. As such, Kesar remained silent, gesturing for the First Captain to continue. "Most of our diplomatic core has been modified and altered by Captain Baldur. He could do a lot of damage simply by leveraging his soft power."

"Or a lot of good." Kesar pointed out concealing his annoyance. While Baldur was hard to read, that didn't mean he should assume the worst of him. And while Oriacarius' innate suspicion of everyone made him an exceptional commander, it occasionally caused issues like this. "He will be read into this regardless, he is welcome to make his decision on whether he will support the Wardens or the Imperium."

A flash of irritation crossed Oriacarius' face at the dismissal. "I wish to be the one to read him into this new chapter of history."

"Very well," the Second Anathema could readily agree to that. While he trusted his sons, a touch of caution was warranted in this case. "Do so at your discretion."

The First Captain slowly nodded, already piecing together a plan for his approach. As he did, he continued to write on the board, "We also need to determine how hostile we want to be. Anywhere from denouncing the Emperor and the Imperium to simply declaring it a parting of ways."

"We won't be taking a hardline stance," Kesar outright declared, understanding such a stance would immediately force the Emperor to war. Despite everything, he still wanted to give the Imperium every off-ramp it could even if it was futile. "But we do need to decide the specifics. Do we say it's an amiable transition, or do we call out specific policy failures?"

"And what policy failures do we call attention to?" Oriacarius continued. "Do we focus on economics and the coup on Terra? Or do we specifically draw attention to the Gamma Camps?"

"The latter would seem to align us against the Gammas," Kesar warned. "But that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing."

"It'd imply we wanted a more orderly galaxy," Oriacarius observed. "But I would caution against taking such a stance due to the sheer number of Gammas and Gamma sympathizers."

Kesar was starting to see the dark humor in this, "Either I express my disapproval toward the Emperor and Terra, risking their wrath, or toward the Gammas, which could incite rebellion across multiple worlds and create more camps."

"I would remind you that at least three of the Gamma Blocs are helmed by people the Imperial Army looks up to." Ori warned him once more, "Terra is far away and the Emperor is distracted."

Both were excellent points, and Kesar had to think carefully about what he chose.

[] A Friendly Departure - Not providing a reason for the departure will lead to more loyalists, but it will also ensure relatively cordial relations and ideally prevent further escalation.
[] Economic Concerns - Citing concerns of the economy and Terran Coup, this will irritate the Emperor moderately but would win the approval of a plurality of Gamma Camps.
[] A Lack of Order - Saying the formation of Gamma Camps is a failure of Imperial policy will anger the Gamma Camps, but would be politically acceptable even on Terra ensuring cordial relations.
[] Write-in

Following a rather extensive discussion on the pros and cons of all possible declarations (including a rather odd one from Oriacarius pinning the reasoning on the actions of an Astartes pilot), the First Captain and Primarch shifted to the next important topic. "What are your thoughts on prepositioning units?" Kesar asked. "While I don't expect an immediate reprisal, caution is warranted."

"As long as we're campaigning in the Maelstrom we may not be able to adequately defend our borders," Oriacarius analyzed the situation quickly, coming to the same conclusion Kesar had.

"A tripwire force would serve adequately, as would a rapid response force." Came the Primarch's reply. "While it's not ideal, we could give up a sector before pivoting with our main forces."

"We would have to keep Astartes numbers high," Oriacarius mused, "which would fit nicely with Karcer's thoughts on slowing the rate of fighting within the Maelstrom."

"Morale will be an issue …" Kesar reluctantly accepted. While the Wardens under his command were managing the Maelstrom adequately, the Imperial Army was being run ragged. Initially, he hadn't thought it was an issue, but the situation on the ground had begun to trickle up through the guardsmen-Astartes squads. And they painted a worrying picture of a casual acceptance of their certain death in cruel and brutal fashions. "But I suspect we may disagree on the rate of compliance."

"She favors reducing the current rate by 50%," Oriacarius explained. "While I don't think it's a mistake, I also don't believe that's optimal."

Running through thousands of calculations in his mind, Kesar came to an ideal number. But he thought to get his son's calculations first. "And what do you suggest?"

"A reduction of 20%, enough to allow consistent rotations of units to alleviate the worst of the problems."

"Ask if Karcer will accept a reduction of 30%, while I agree with your idea, the Lord General Militant's advice shouldn't be disregarded." Kesar declared.

"Understandable," the First Captain replied, clearly pleased with Kesar's reasoning.

"That's two of the main issues decided," stated the Primarch. Sighing as he realized how much there was left, he continued onwards. "I have some economic plans for decoupling from the Imperium as much as possible, although they aren't ideal."

"Will revenue and spending be impacted?" Oriacarius asked seriously. "I've had some serfs run calculations, but you're certainly more qualified than them."

"We're stable at our level," Kesar began to explain. "Revenue and expenditures along a domain-wide level can be managed with some financial restructuring alongside a few supply chain alterations. The problem will mainly be focused on a more local level."

"How so?" Oriacarius asked, beginning to take notes.

Explaining it over the course of the next two hours, Kesar began to dive into the fundamentals of economics as he understood them. While he was no Guilliman nor had he developed a true mastery of the subject, he had learned passively over the last half-century.

*Kesar gains Supply Chain Management - Reduced effect of difficult supply lines within Svarga*

Much of his focus was on the management of supply chains in difficult circumstances. Based in part on his work to optimize the inter-sector trade due to his rather developed economy, it had developed into a more military-minded aspect during his time in the Maelstrom. As he explained it, much of the difficulties for Svarga would be locally on select worlds that required massive imports for their larger facilities. Battleship yards in particular would be the most affected by this due to the required importation of parts from within the Imperium's core.

Managing this aspect of the supply line would be critical, or many of these yards would have to shut down. This left Kesar with a few options that had a variety of trade-offs involved. A few of which he had learned from trying to resolve supply lines within the Maelstrom.

The first and simplest was to begin producing these parts domestically. He'd identified a few worlds capable of doing so in Asgard, Sector 17, and Vadon. Most of the production would be focused on the Vadon Sector by necessity, primarily due to their current project focused on large-scale manufacturers of high-end industrial materials. A few incentives would allow those projects to instead be utilized for ship components. The downside, however, would be the ten-year period where the shipyards would be empty due to the spool-up time required. While the problems caused would be mostly alleviated by preordering, there would nonetheless be a short, sharp hit to a variety of planetary incomes.

The second possibility was to partner directly with the Mechanicum. Bypassing the Imperium entirely, Kesar could send Kelbor-Hal a few letters and ensure a source of high-technology components for shipbuilding. It would publicly tie him to the Mechanicum, but that was a moot point considering he was one of the organization's most popular Primarchs. He was also rather certain that the Fabricator General would do so for almost no cost. He was both a friend and disliked the Emperor which made things simpler. The only downside would be some additional Mechanicum soft power within his domain, which was already rather considerable.

The last idea was likely to be the most controversial. Importing components from Vulkan would be a rather simple strategy by the formation of an extended trade route through Magnus' domain. The Lord of Drakes had had decades to prepare for a secession and as such had domestic manufacturing of everything apart from certain components used in Glorianas. As such, if he was willing to tie himself to Vulkan and Konrad he could resolve much of his domain's issues rather easily.

[] Internal Production - Causing a temporary dip in production due to the lead times, this is nonetheless the best way to ensure independent supply lines
[] Mechanicum Suppliers - At the cost of Mechanicum influence, the supply line disruption can be minimized rather easily. There are some risks convoys could be intercepted.
-[] Plan to switch over to internal production in 10 years
[] Vulkan's Domain - Tying yourself to Vulkan and Konrad would resolve these issues. But also cause a decent level of discontent from detractors of their ideas.
-[] Plan to switch over to internal production in 10 years
[] Write-in

Now that they had a broad overview of their plans, Kesar and Oriacarius began to discuss the minutia. During this Kesar thought back to what he had learned from the Eldar and Orban. He still didn't know if he could trust it, and he was glad that he hadn't shared it with his Legion yet. If he had, the other reasons for secession would have taken a back seat as they investigated. Ironically it likely would have delayed it for another 5-10 years.

He knew he couldn't share it with everyone without solid proof. Proof that would be incredibly difficult to find. That is if it was even possible. It was the nature of divination, trying to use it as evidence was flimsy. And knowing the Emperor, if this was his plan he would never write anything down. It would all exist in the minds of him and Malcador.

There was the faint possibility that the twins may be able to find something. But in Kesar's eyes, even their impossible skill would likely be insufficient. Then there was his First Captain. Kesar felt his gaze drift towards Oriacarius. He may not be able to investigate thanks to his position among the Wardens, but he undoubtedly had some scenario for this situation he could advance. At the very least informing him would allow for additional contingencies to be planned and implemented.

[] Do not share the Emperor's plans - They will never see the light of day as long as you live. The risks associated with slandering him should this be an Eldar ploy are too high.
[] Share the Emperor's Plans with Oriacarius - A man who can easily adapt to suspect information with a series of contingencies, he will certainly assuage your mind.
[] Share them with the Twins - If there is anyone capable of finding tangible proof, it is the Hydra. When you meet them, share what you have heard.
[] Write-in

 

[tri2]

[reason for leaving] A lack of Focus, look there are daemons there? are we all fighting daemons now? No? Then we should go fight the daemons, I'll go on ahead myself, join me when you are done.

 

[Daemon Hunter]

[reason for leaving] A lack of Focus, look there are daemons there? are we all fighting daemons now? No? Then we should go fight the daemons, I'll go on ahead myself, join me when you are done.

Click to shrink...

Unironically valid lol. You could just decide to have the entire Legion just dive deep into the Maelstrom's worlds and hunt down the daemonworlds within.

 

[tri2]

Unironically valid lol. You could just decide to have the entire Legion just dive deep into the Maelstrom's worlds and hunt down the daemonworlds within.

Click to shrink...

go in, start finding more STCs, which drags in the ad mechs who stop supporting both sides as well, which drags in army forces who owe the ad mech, lowering the scale of the civil war even more, with us attracting more and more astartes who leave their legions to help fight 'xenos' rather than humanity, just drag everyone to hell cause we get unironically less deaths and chaos and destruction

 

[Ruirk]

Unironically valid lol. You could just decide to have the entire Legion just dive deep into the Maelstrom's worlds and hunt down the daemonworlds within.

Click to shrink...

It's a very neutral option, but could also be considered quite popular as the aftermath of the Masquardes Ends makes the rounds and we are basically saying, "We slaughter evil things and take their shit."

 

[Nicholas Brooks]

Unironically valid lol. You could just decide to have the entire Legion just dive deep into the Maelstrom's worlds and hunt down the daemonworlds within.

Click to shrink...

More realistically, Emps trying to throw Vulkan at the Maelstrom and now the recent situation with the IA mass protesting while Emps doesn't seem to even bother with sending over any negotiators would probably be a good reason. Like Emps doesn't really care about giving his Imperium the tools to succeed.

 

[Ruirk]

Seriously, what would happen if we just flat out said in our declaration as to why we aren't staying with the Imperium was "We aren't being allowed to go out to kill horrors and steal their shit. We are out here doing the best defense possible for humanity by being on the offensive."

 

[Daemon Hunter]

Seriously, what would happen if we just flat out said in our declaration as to why we aren't staying with the Imperium was "We aren't being allowed to go out to kill horrors and steal their shit. We are out here doing the best defense possible for humanity by being on the offensive."

Click to shrink...

In that case you'd effectively get a level of soft approval from the Imperial Army namely due to them feeling similar in some areas. Namely in while they do like the goal, they have some issues with the implementation, namely just the lack of resources for it.

As it is, if you did that you'd effectively be locked into a high rate of deployments against chaos and daemons in the Maelstrom, warp, and/or greater galaxy. As long as you maintain that you should be able to handle any internal issues and notably reduce the likilhood of retaliation. Not to mention it'd be incredibly bad PR to try and fuck with your supply lines or actually attack you.

 

[Ruirk]

In that case you'd effectively get a level of soft approval from the Imperial Army namely due to them feeling similar in some areas. Namely in while they do like the goal, they have some issues with the implementation, namely just the lack of resources for it.

Click to shrink...

One of those moments to talk to Kelbor-Hal, but he'd effectively want a bigger piece of the pie when it comes to those STCs or Green Rewards in general.

As it is, if you did that you'd effectively be locked into a high rate of deployments against chaos and daemons in the Maelstrom, warp, and/or greater galaxy. As long as you maintain that you should be able to handle any internal issues and notably reduce the likilhood of retaliation. Not to mention it'd be incredibly bad PR to try and fuck with your supply lines or actually attack you.

Click to shrink...

Honestly, I'm kind of digging this option then because it basically says, "Yeah, we're out for a fucking reason that is for the good of everyone, regardless of your stances on the Imperium."

 

[Daemon Hunter]

More realistically, Emps trying to throw Vulkan at the Maelstrom and now the recent situation with the IA mass protesting while Emps doesn't seem to even bother with sending over any negotiators would probably be a good reason. Like Emps doesn't really care about giving his Imperium the tools to succeed.

Click to shrink...

That would be a rather interesting one in that it'd effectively be Kesar calling out the Emperor almost directly. It'd win you a surprising amount of support from the Imperial Army and Gamma Factions, but you would place yourself on Emps' shit list immediately. To the point that Ori would champion preemptive strikes.

One of those moments to talk to Kelbor-Hal, but he'd effectively want a bigger piece of the pie when it comes to those STCs or Green Rewards in general.

Click to shrink...

Yep, he'd be happy to help out. He'd even offer some generous terms, but he won't do it for free. Effectively you'd get the friend discount for this.

 

[Ruirk]

That would be a rather interesting one in that it'd effectively be Kesar calling out the Emperor almost directly. It'd win you a surprising amount of support from the Imperial Army and Gamma Factions, but you would place yourself on Emps' shit list immediately. To the point that Ori would champion preemptive strikes.



Yep, he'd be happy to help out. He'd even offer some generous terms, but he won't do it for free. Effectively you'd get the friend discount for this.

Click to shrink...

So either option sounds amusing enough then. I do like the idea of making a general announcement of our mandate because it removes a lot of the ambiguity.

 

[tri2]

yeah we going, 'yeah go fight each other, we'll keep killing those killing green fungusmen and demons from hell and other xenos, let us know when you're done and ready to get back to the real fight' sounds good

 

[bigking321]

Can we even be neutral in the conflict? We absolutely oppose Emps plan. Would we just keep doing our thing if it looks like he's going to win and go through with it?

We really need to get evidence so we can show it to everyone. It's not just wanting reforms. It's that that plan cannot happen.

 

[Nicholas Brooks]

Can we even be neutral in the conflict? We absolutely oppose Emps plan. Would we just keep doing our thing if it looks like he's going to win and go through with it?

We really need to get evidence so we can show it to everyone. It's not just wanting reforms. It's that that plan cannot happen.

Click to shrink...

Well we're screwed anyway if he decided to go to war with us rn. Hell, I wouldn't say it's unlikely that Kesar dies within the next 3 decades. Whatever keeps our shit un-stomped for as long as possible is good, especially since it also gives Eldrad more time to prepare a solution.

 

[w34v3r]

Tell the knife eared bastard to quit gazing at his navel and find the bits of the emporer he tried to get rid of.

 

[Nicholas Brooks]

Tell the knife eared bastard to quit gazing at his navel and find the bits of the emporer he tried to get rid of.

Click to shrink...

He already found them, and they're called the Primarchs nowadays. But I don't imagine suicide is an acceptable option.

 

[Fireofargentis]

We could declare, " i am going to do my duty and protect humanity from xeno and demons, while looting, that duty does not include fighting over politics and hurt egos, call me when you are ready to sit down and talk like adults" and use that gain time so we can find the evidence we need about the emperors plan, it will also give us time to secure resources to be self sufficient.

 

[keykingdom]

I Don't think is a good idea to stay neutral to that level Vulcan Konrad and mortarion we don't know what will happen yet but likely they are going to be starting the war even if not to the cannon levels of devastation specially after how the emperor cornered Vulcan and Konrad and what Mortarion did.

I think anglings us towards defending them by pointing some of the empire falling would be better specially when the emperor comes smacking them would be better even if will put us more again't the emperor.

Because if not and the emperor does come knocking on them we could be end up going again't the starting narrative that we pushed at the start of the rebellion.

So though I do think that neutrality can be good not to THAT extent.