The Long Night Part Three: Bonfire at Dawn (45k)

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Why would his opinion be binding for his child?
Choosing Rotbart's own blood sets the precedent that Tormod specifically wanted to *avoid*. Rotbart was an Imperial, but Tormod was *always* an Avernite, and Avernites don't really believe that power should belong to anybody's bloodline in particular. Choosing Tormodottir is literally just repeating the pattern, but just skipping over a dead generation.

Tormod believed so *strongly* that he literally turned down the Governorship of his *entire homeworld*. It would be spitting on his memory, and revoking a ton of character growth for Rotbart, who was doing so nicely in progressing past his Imperial background.
 
Choosing Rotbart's own blood sets the precedent that Tormod specifically wanted to *avoid*. Rotbart was an Imperial, but Tormod was *always* an Avernite, and Avernites don't really believe that power should belong to anybody's bloodline in particular. Choosing Tormodottir is literally just repeating the pattern, but just skipping over a dead generation.

Tormod believed so *strongly* that he literally turned down the Governorship of his *entire homeworld*. It would be spitting on his memory, and revoking a ton of character growth for Rotbart, who was doing so nicely in progressing past his Imperial background.
I don't see anything in the updates about Avernites not believing power should belong to anybody's bloodline. I just did a search for that. I'm pretty sure they'd be very pleased if Rotbart selected his descendent as the next governor. Please give me a citation if you have proof otherwise.

If his child wants the role then who cares what her parent wanted? Your logic doesn't flow at all. If the parent has full control of the offspring then Tormod should have sucked it up and been governor. You accept Tormod not obeying his grandfather, but enforce his will on his child.

We voted on Rotbart's character growth. There was nothing there about rejecting bloodlines.
 
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Choosing Rotbart's own blood sets the precedent that Tormod specifically wanted to *avoid*. Rotbart was an Imperial, but Tormod was *always* an Avernite, and Avernites don't really believe that power should belong to anybody's bloodline in particular. Choosing Tormodottir is literally just repeating the pattern, but just skipping over a dead generation.

Tormod believed so *strongly* that he literally turned down the Governorship of his *entire homeworld*. It would be spitting on his memory, and revoking a ton of character growth for Rotbart, who was doing so nicely in progressing past his Imperial background.
I don't think this is us IC choosing---this is us choosing OOC what happened IC (I think? I can't remember how it was decided that the next person should be decided come to think of it)

also, if this WAS us choosing IC; us getting to choose someone else doesn't really change the fact that we are getting to choose who. in alot of ways putting the power to choose who gets to 'inherit' is far greater (and more damaging/risky) then by bloodline---afterall, if its by bloodline, then you only get to choose between your children (often not even that---since its often set by birth order (sometimes also by gender).

edit: certainly, if its your children; that still leaves you alot of power, since you will still know them, they will (probably) be aligned to your goals/ideals/etc and all that.....

come to think of it tho; if the govenor has full control over who inherits, doesn't that leave open the possability of someone getting around the "may not be immortal/over 1000 yrs old" rule by selecting someone who they have some means of controlling? (and with magic/warpcraft, they could even arragne for them to be directly puppeted in the most litteral of ways--I could even see it being some tzeetchian plan to pull some soul transplant to gain functional immortality while avoiding the rule and the plot of some storyline being to uncover their plan).
 
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I kind of thought we'd be using the hand as our recruiting pool to be honest.
we are; but buried inside this vote is the presumption that the person we vote for was retroactively in the pool.

edit: I think the way it works is that OOC, we basically just vote. but IC, the candidates must be from the Hand's pool. (again, as I said; I don't know if it was established IC how their selected however).

double-edit: gah, and my statement is still ambiguous. I am BOTH unsure how their selected from the wider population and also how the new governor is selected from said pool after however many decades of service---other then high competence.
 
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I don't see anything in the updates about Avernites not believing power should belong to anybody's bloodline. I just did a search for that. I'm pretty sure they'd be very pleased if Rotbart selected his descendent as the next governor. Please give me a citation if you have proof otherwise.

If his child wants the role then who cares what her parent wanted? Your logic doesn't flow at all. If the parent has full control of the offspring then Tormod should have sucked it up and been governor. You accept Tormod not obeying his grandfather, but enforce his will on his child.

We voted on Rotbart's character growth. There was nothing there about rejecting bloodlines.
Spend Time With (Tormod) – One of the ways that you can spend what little free time that you have is by spending some time with your friends and advisers. This would be a good way for you to relax and improve your relationship with your co-workers, as well as possibly learn or teach something.

Time: 1 year.
Chance of Success: Unknown

Cost: Free (can be taken multiple times)
Reward: Spend time with selected character, chance of improving your relationship, chance of boosting your own or selected characters

Complete
year one d100=1+18(stats)=19: Crit Fail, Tormod offended and not talking to you about personal matters

After returning to Avernus you made sure to schedule some time with Tormod so that you could grieve together. While at first things were going relatively well, with both of you coping wiyth the grief then you made a carelessly worded request about whether he wants to settle down and he took it badly. The following argument was nasty and both of you said some things that you should not have, before Tormod stormed off accusing you of only caring about keeping your bloodline strong and in charge of Avernus like the noble of the Imperium that you are. After that Tormod became very cold and aggressively polite towards you, and would only interact with you on professional matters.

Teach Tormod Adminsitation– One of the ways that you can spend what little free time that you have is by spending some time with your friends and advisers. This would be a good way for you to relax and improve your relationship with your co-workers, as well as possibly learn or teach something.

Time: 1 year.
Chance of Success: Unknown

Cost: Free (can be taken multiple times)
Reward: Spend time with selected character, chance of improving your relationship, chance of boosting your own or selected characters

Complete
year two d100=2+18(stats)-25(argument)=-5: Crit Fail, Tormod not speaking to you
remaining actions lost to depression

Your attempts to teach Tormod about the governance of Avernus, partially as he needs to know, partially as an excuse to interact with him and get past your argument, did not go well and soon started to devolve back into arguments. Within a few months you cancelled the lessons, not seeing the point of them.
one of your first suggestions after his mothers death was you need to marry and have kids to continue the line. To someone (like Tormod) raised in a society where inheritance of power is not a thing that was pretty insulting
what responsibility? from his point of view (and the point of view of 90% of Avernus) if he doesnt have a kid to inherit then the most competent will be chosen. The Governorship being hereditary is actually considered a potential issue by some Avernite Academics due to the fact that literlly everything else is merit based and if a situation comes up where there is a obviously better choice outside of the Royal Family there could be major problems

of the original 9 worlds 3 have hereditary rulers,4 have meritocratic rulers and 1 is strange

Avernites strives for a meritocratic system. It would be *bad* precedent for Rotbart to appoint one of his bloodline to be the next ruler. I would compare it to George Washington theoretically claiming the Throne of the United States of America, but that would be too watered down of an impact for a true comparison.
 
So what this series of votes are is basicly creating the Hand that you have selected as your successor.
As the Governorship is passed down to whichever hand the governor prefers
 
So what this series of votes are is basicly creating the Hand that you have selected as your successor.
As the Governorship is passed down to whichever hand the governor prefers
is this free form/just coming up with the "theme" of the character we want? (IE: the name)

(or are people partially jumping the gun cause you haven't actually posted the rules/options for what we are doing here?)
 
is this free form/just coming up with the "theme" of the character we want? (IE: the name)

(or are people partially jumping the gun cause you haven't actually posted the rules/options for what we are doing here?)
We're voting on the person's name right now. I've asked for a vote extension, since a lot of people don't seem to have realized that there's a vote going on at all.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by Durin on Oct 25, 2024 at 6:09 AM, finished with 170 posts and 47 votes.
 
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