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The Life of a Half-Saiyan (Thread1) (DBZ)
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Alright, decreased regen sounds like a good downside.
lordchaos99
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No, Super Namek is a small group of incredibly powerful Enlightened Namekians who are also apparently unusually aggressive for their race. Both the Nameless Namekian and Lord Slug were Super apparently, and only NN wasn't outright Evil.
Great Namek is a completely different thing where they grow in size
But otherwise yes, Oozaru-Namekian
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I thought Enlightenment was only for good?
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You can totally poke a hole through solid titanium with this attack yes.
She did, it's just that that particular experiment was done on Gohan because at that point Gohan was the only one with the Yellow form. You unlocked the ability a fortnight later and she then repeated the experiment.
If I included every experiment Bulma did on you, the updates would be the size of a medical textbook.
Piccolo and Kami feel incredibly similar but still distinct. The Nameless Namekian is also incredibly similar, except a LOT more powerful. But Gossard wouldn't mistake the two.
Because the Nameless Namekian lacks the thing that made the most impression on Baby!Gossard. Diluted Red Ki.
Gossard wouldn't think NN is Kami. Though he may RAGE at him if he realizes part of him used to be Kami.
Specifically a multiplying drug.
Kami's Power level is 202
Piccolo without weights is 408
202 * 408 = 82.5K
The rest is gained from the Unbinding process, as the act of Fission resulted in some Power Level loss which is recovered by Fusion.
This is all true.
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Enlightenment isn't really a Good or Evil thing (especially since the base philosophy rejects the notion AFAIK). It's basically Spiritual Understanding or a higher level of consciousness. It just so happens a Namekian's higher level is more aggressive than their peaceful base mindstate.
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So could there be a Legendary Enlightenment? @lordchaos99
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Does that multiplication only work like that if the two individuals are somewhat close in power? Cause otherwise, if Piccolo needed a quick boost, he only would need to find a couple of PL 2 Namekians, and suck them up.
Also, it makes it curious that the Namekians don't all fuse together whenever a really big threat comes along. Just 30 PL 2 Namekians would make a PL over 1 billion. Enough to hand even Frieza his ass. Throw on one more, and then they outpower Super Gogeta.
I think for the most part the Namakians didn't realize what was going on with freeza. Plus there's the whole fusion thing being forbidden.
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Another reason for that could be because...they don't want to vanish? I mean...not existing anymore isn't pleasant I feel....also yeah they hide it because you can force a fusion it seems in this quest.
lordchaos99
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Nope, any two individuals multiply. Though they don't get the "Unfusing" bonus (though that's kind of small, only 7.5K).
Piccolo can totally do that if he wanted. Though do note what it took to get him to absorb Nail. There is a difference between re-fusing and eating someone. Also the consent issue.
Social Taboo prevents that, also each successive Fusion has a progressively higher Malus to the lowest of them, until they are PL1 for the purposes of Fusion, and an excess Malus shifts to the next highest, and the next.
You can force a RE-Fusion. Slightly different rulings there. Also note that it required Piccolo putting on a big scary act and BSODing Kami with the 'death' of Mr Popo before he even tried it.
They must be quite the pious people, to not ignore the "forbidden" part so that they could save their people.
Plus, some of them DID realize. Like the 3 Warriors that stood against Frieza. Or the 3 Warriors that stood against Frieza the second time. All of them had atleast 1000 PL, fuse together and they'd easily save the planet.
Well dying would mean they ALSO wouldn't exist anymore (unless they know about Otherworld, somehow). And they wouldn't be the only ones, all the namekians were getting killed.
Ah, so there's A limit, though it's not a major one. Really, I'd think more than just Nail would be willing to set aside tradition in order to stop their races extinction.
Related topic, Nail had a PL of 42k, Piccolo was at least 3.5k (what he was in the Saiyan Arc), meaning their resultant PL using this system would have been 147 million, stronger than 100% Frieza. This obviously wasn't how it turned out.
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I always thought the dragon ball multiverse last namekian thing was amusing.
lordchaos99
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Dragonballs. They figured they could come back, albeit slowly over time (3 every Namekian year for 5/6 years (depending on if Frieza got his wish) then 3 every Namekian century), hanging out in Otherworld while they waited.
And Shenron. If they acted fast enough once Frieza left they could wish Dende or even an adult Dragonclan back to life with the Namek balls and then bring the whole race back at once.
While Fusion is well, kind of permanent (Fission creates two new people even if the person using the technique had been Fused).
It also kills a person's Soul, fusing two souls together to make one.
Of course they know about Otherworld, that place isn't exactly a secret when your leader is the Guardian of the planet and you have Dragonballs that can raise the dead.
All it takes is one Dragonclan Namekian to survive or for a dead Namekian to find a Kai, then they can teach some random Magician how to build a set of Dragonballs and wish their race back. The Namekians were never in any real danger of permanent extinction.
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It's entirely possible the average Namek doesn't even know fusion is a thing. It is a forbidden art after all, and as a generally pacifistic species, there wouldn't be much need to keep the knowledge on-hand in case of emergency. Plus, it's not hard to see how it can go terribly wrong.
Nail knew, but Nail was also the attendant of their world's elder.
Nail knew, but Nail was also the attendant of their world's elder.
Hmmm so it seems like the best way to keep Piccolo relevant in the story is to have him fuse with every worth while Namekian
I wonder if we can force fuse with Lord Slug On a more serious note how does Piccolo feel about the taboo. Is he willing to break it for the sake of more power or was fusing with Kami the exception?
I think that fusion would have a negative even for amoral Namekians. Like the affects on the psyche building up with excessive fusion thus limiting it to not destroy their personality entirely. Add in Fusion Dance elements where similarities play a factor in the boost or that re-fusion is possible to force while regular fusion takes willing subjects.
One Classy Hydra
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Hmmm so it seems like the best way to keep Piccolo relevant in the story is to have him fuse with every worth while Namekian
I imagine that would work, presuming your definition of "relevant" is "main villain".
While Namekian fusion seems to be closer to absorption than stuff like the Fusion Dance or Potara, it's inevitable that they'd be affected by the memories, nature and soul of the people they fuse with.
lordchaos99
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Hmmm so it seems like the best way to keep Piccolo relevant in the story is to have him fuse with every worth while Namekian
On a more serious note how does Piccolo feel about the taboo. Is he willing to break it for the sake of more power or was fusing with Kami the exception?
I should point out Piccolo was keeping up with SS1 on a single Fusion and Refusion (Nail and Kami).
Kami was the exception, mostly because they were Fissioned. I'm pretty sure Fission is also Taboo in their society, but I might be wrong
Fusion is already partial mind-melding. It's just that Piccolo's personality was dominant due to his strength in canon and the shock here, Kami's wisdom and benevolence is still floating around in his mind.
Also Fusion does need willing subjects, didn't I cover that earlier? It's only Refusion that can be done against their will, and even then it requires a BSOD victim.
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Too bad there is no way for humans to catch up since they got no super forms or convenient power ups
Maybe if the humans had Kaio-ken they could be relevant.lordchaos99
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Too bad there is no way for humans to catch up since they got no super forms or convenient power ups
I'm sorry, I was too busy watching these videos, you were saying?