The Life of a Half-Saiyan (Thread1) (DBZ)

@lordchaos99 How do people who can't sense ki fight at FTL speeds?
There are plenty of people strong enough for FTL, yet completely lack ki-sensing. The PTO have a number of people strong enough, like the Ginyu Force if they reformed with their Multiforms, and the Cooler Family. And then there were Androids 17 and 18, who not only couldn't sense Ki, could not be sensed themselves so even if their opponents knew how it wouldn't work.
 
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@lordchaos99 How do people who can't sense ki fight at FTL speeds?
There are plenty of people strong enough for FTL, yet completely lack ki-sensing. The PTO have a number of people strong enough, like the Ginyu Force if they reformed with their Multiforms, and the Cooler Family. And then there were Androids 17 and 18, who not only couldn't sense Ki, could not be sensed themselves so even if their opponents knew how it wouldn't work.

Frieza uses Sherlock-Scans, predicting the clash before the first blow is struck and then simply reassesses whenever people back away.
Guldo reformed has a much easier time using TImeStop and uses stutter-stopping to get his bearings.
The rest of the Ginyu force and PTO have implants that pull a Frieza and dump information into their mind subconsciously, though it is imperfect.

That being said, I always found it SoD breaking that they didn't have Ki-Sense, I mean it was a plot point in Dragonball that you needed to use it just to fight in the multiple-hundreds range.

Androids are bullshit and process motion on the quantum level, detecting motion when it happens not when the motion's effects propagate via sound or light. They also see in AoE in this Quest though they can see visually as well. Yes that means Future!Androids whenever they were surprised they were faking for their amusement, though of course they thought everyone around them were orders of magnitude weaker than them.

The Zfighters were confused by fighting Androids, but since they were all (with the exception of Cell who DID have Ki) unskilled fighters the two penalties cancelled out (untrained fighter and blindfighting)
 
Frieza uses Sherlock-Scans, predicting the clash before the first blow is struck and then simply reassesses whenever people back away.
That's pretty damn impressive. Particularly since he'd need to get all the info he's working off of before the first blow, since afterwards reality wouldn't even be able to transmit information to him (you know, besides when he's hit, but he wouldn't just let himself be hit to get more info).
The rest of the Ginyu force and PTO have implants that pull a Frieza and dump information into their mind subconsciously, though it is imperfect.
King Cold and Cooler have that too?
And that's extremely impressive that they go that tech. We should steal it. Combined with the ability to sense Ki, it gets pretty damn useful.
That being said, I always found it SoD breaking that they didn't have Ki-Sense, I mean it was a plot point in Dragonball that you needed to use it just to fight in the multiple-hundreds range.
Was it? Thought it was just useful, not neccessary. After all, you don't break FTL till much higher pl, so sight can still work.
Oh, related, if fights are happening at FTL, shouldn't the Solar Flare be useless by the Android Arc? Or does it do more than just a very bright flash of light?
ndroids are bullshit and process motion on the quantum level, detecting motion when it happens not when the motion's effects propagate via sound or light. They also see in AoE in this Quest though they can see visually as well. Yes that means Future!Androids whenever they were surprised they were faking for their amusement, though of course they thought everyone around them were orders of magnitude weaker than them.

The Zfighters were confused by fighting Androids, but since they were all (with the exception of Cell who DID have Ki) unskilled fighters the two penalties cancelled out (untrained fighter and blindfighting)
I don't think it'd work out that way for the Z-Fighters, unless they are pulling a Frieza and just predict every single blow in advance. In which case, didn't think they were THAT good, that they could fight a fight effectively blind.

One possibility is they got something like what the Androids got going on, but Ki instead of Science BS. Their ki interacts with the air around them anyways, cause they gotta toughen it to make their punches not glass the continent, so they could extend their Ki out way further than just a thin shell around their body. Wouldn't need to put MUCH Ki out there, especially compared to how much they got, but some, and that extended Ki could inform them when something moves through the aura at ridiculous speeds.
Edit: It could be related to Ki Sense even. Feeling your own Ki in the world around you, and Ki Sense is feeling other people's Ki interacting with yours. When people not named Frieza fight at FTL, they feel the rapid disturbances in their own Ki, and can fight off of that. They just haven't learned how to discern other people's ki interacting with their own. When you are hiding yourself from Ki Sense, suppressing your power, you are pulling back in all that unwound Energy back into yourself, leaving less out there to interact with people's other ki.

Edit 2: That would also explain why Androids can't be sensed. They don't have any unwound Ki projected in an aura around them, it's all kept in their batteries/generators till it's used. They are prevented from shattering the atmosphere via some more Science BS.
 
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That's pretty damn impressive. Particularly since he'd need to get all the info he's working off of before the first blow, since afterwards reality wouldn't even be able to transmit information to him (you know, besides when he's hit, but he wouldn't just let himself be hit to get more info).

Frieza is kind of the best thing to happen to martial Arts since someone learned how to throw a punch. He just doesn't train at all

King Cold and Cooler have that too?
And that's extremely impressive that they go that tech. We should steal it. Combined with the ability to sense Ki, it gets pretty damn useful.

They get the best ones, because Royalty.
And it was considered a stopgap until they dealt with the Exploding issue of Scouters and got the max PL up to over a Million (without needing an entire installation). Then they were going to hardwire Scouters into the brain as Techno-Energy Sense

Was it? Thought it was just useful, not neccessary. After all, you don't break FTL till much higher pl, so sight can still work.
Oh, related, if fights are happening at FTL, shouldn't the Solar Flare be useless by the Android Arc? Or does it do more than just a very bright flash of light?

Soalr Flare and Goku's Scissor-Jab start out conventional but if you get them polished enough to can make them Conceptual. Solar Flare is still hindered by sunglasses of course, because Concept.
Solar Flare is actually just the Scissor-Jab at Range tbh.

I don't think it'd work out that way for the Z-Fighters, unless they are pulling a Frieza and just predict every single blow in advance. In which case, didn't think they were THAT good, that they could fight a fight effectively blind.

One possibility is they got something like what the Androids got going on, but Ki instead of Science BS. Their ki interacts with the air around them anyways, cause they gotta toughen it to make their punches not glass the continent, so they could extend their Ki out way further than just a thin shell around their body. Wouldn't need to put MUCH Ki out there, especially compared to how much they got, but some, and that extended Ki could inform them when something moves through the aura at ridiculous speeds.
Edit: It could be related to Ki Sense even. Feeling your own Ki in the world around you, and other people's Ki interacting with your own.

Literally every ZFighter, from the Reincarnated Demon King to the Child are Masters at their art. And any master should be able to fight at parity with invisible but unskilled enemies.
 
Literally every ZFighter, from the Reincarnated Demon King to the Child are Masters at their art. And any master should be able to fight at parity with invisible but unskilled enemies.
Except a thing about unskilled enemies, it's extremely difficult to predict what they will do. Because they aren't skilled, they are making shit up as they go. Trained people you can more accurately guess, they'd make the smart moves. An idiot, not so much.
What's more, these untrained enemies have unknown capabilities. Is that punch he's throwing going to come at 1c, 2c, or 20c? There's an really important detail. Can his arm stretch like Piccolos, allowing him to not only attack outside of normal range, or perhaps loop around your block? Who knows. Not them.

Also, in case you didn't notice, I expanded upon the ki-sense idea.
 
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I just got done watching the final battle against Cell and with it something has occurred to me. For how much Goku is a bad parent meme has spread it is not really true. He does have a lot of father-son bonding moments with Gohan in DBZ, trains him and teaches him. You could even say Goku being a good supporting and loving father is why Gohan beat Cell in the end in Cannon. Not to say Gohan did not look up to Piccolo as a father figure as well. Just that Goku is a surprisingly good parent at times when not giving senzeu beans to villains that is:facepalm:
 
I just got done watching the final battle against Cell and with it something has occurred to me. For how much Goku is a bad parent meme has spread it is not really true. He does have a lot of father-son bonding moments with Gohan in DBZ, trains him and teaches him. You could even say Goku being a good supporting and loving father is why Gohan beat Cell in the end in Cannon. Not to say Gohan did not look up to Piccolo as a father figure as well. Just that Goku is a surprisingly good parent at times when not giving senzeu beans to villains that is:facepalm:

Memes need not be true to be funny.
And I think most of the backlash is the fact he refuses to return to life, when Gohan is still a preteen.

I know I'd be pissed if my dad was a generally good father and abandoned me at age 11.

Anyway, I can haz Vote Tally?
 
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Total No. of Voters: 30
 
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Bardock's gift to Raditz won.

You missed out on:
Gero Android information (though the new Android that would have resulted from this now longer exists)
A rebellion against the Arcosians
A new Supreme Kai
An Alternate Universe Cooler showing up from a parallel timeline with the remnants of his Armoured Squadron. Specifically a Cooler infected with ???'s powers. Because ??? has become more active after that parallel's Bardock was blasted into their domain instead of the past.
 
Uh guys, Votes are Closed, I'm working on the update now.

Bardock's gift to Raditz won.

You missed out on:
Gero Android information (though the new Android that would have resulted from this now longer exists)
A rebellion against the Arcosians
A new Supreme Kai
An Alternate Universe Cooler showing up from a parallel timeline with the remnants of his Armoured Squadron. Specifically a Cooler infected with ???'s powers. Because ??? has become more active after that parallel's Bardock was blasted into their domain instead of the past.
Did you bring Cthulhu into DragonBallo_O
 
Of course not. Im just using ??? because you don't know it's name or what it is.
Also they are currently inactive, because you didn't pick that interlude.
 
Of course not. Im just using ??? because you don't know it's name or what it is.
Also they are currently inactive, because you didn't pick that interlude.
To be fair you could fit Cthulhu into DragonBall if you wanted to and I would not bat a eye after all the other weird shit in the series not to mention the horrifying monster that was in the Wrath Of The Dragon Movie:V
 
Cthulhu would be Spirit Bombed to death in DBZ. Just like many other villains. Speaking of which, I liked that mad doctor from one of the OVAs, which in spite of being reduced to a brain in a jar, he somewhat outdid Gero by creating a life support/giant mech that could keep up and with against most of the Z-Fighters at once with just SCIENCE!, without having to rely on super-genetics or anything like that. I don't remember that movie's name though.
 
Cthulhu would be Spirit Bombed to death in DBZ. Just like many other villains. Speaking of which, I liked that mad doctor from one of the OVAs, which in spite of being reduced to a brain in a jar, he somewhat outdid Gero by creating a life support/giant mech that could keep up and with against most of the Z-Fighters at once with just SCIENCE!, without having to rely on super-genetics or anything like that. I don't remember that movie's name though.

World's Strongest, the second Z movie I believe?
Also being able to match Pre-Namek ZFighters isn't better than being beaten by Post-Timeskip ZFighters.
Gero's bots could kick his ass from 10 up (Commander Red rebuilt/9 is less than the Brain-Mech, and we know 13 is a badass with an artifical PL in the Millions minimum, so it's a guess but still!)

Also, 17 and 18 were not using super genetics and beat the ZFighters except Goku (and Yamchabridged) in the original timeline.
 
A Prophetic Present for an Orphaned Son
A golden-haired man stood in the small spaceship, staring out the viewport into the depths of space. Though the empty vacuum was not what he truly saw.
Within his minds eye, probabilities rose and fell like sea foam on the beach, but with a mental step back they vanished.

A chain of interlocking events cause a wave, and though within that wave some things remained unpredictable, the general flow of time flowed up onto the beach that was the present and the future was made. Silently, the young man counted down, his finger resting on an inconspicuous blue button.
"Happy Birthday to you. Happy birthday to you." The man sings low under his breath a song he has never heard, of an alien species he never met nor will ever meet.
"Happy birthday, my Raditz. Happy Birthday to you. Gah, I'm getting soft in my exile. Need to stop looking at Kakarot's timeline, developing paternal instincts." He grumbles, but his lips curl into a smile.

"Five, four, three, two, one." Tapping the button, a pod shoots out directionless into the void of space. Where it will drift aimlessly, inexorably towards a certain planet. A planet that was scheduled to be invaded in over a thousand years by a certain son of a certain low-class warrior.
"I wonder if it was my line or Gines...Oh who am I kidding." He smirks sardonically as his golden hair crackles with power. "Sigh, I miss you Gine. And I can't even give you a gift unlike Raditz. Well, not without...Maybe it is time."

Turning his back on the viewport and receding pod, he reaches into a small compartment on the ship, where two communicators rest.

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With a moment of thought he makes his decision.
"Hello, Prince Trunks, I accept your offer." The Father of Goku vanishes in a burst of Time Energy.

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With a moment of thought he makes his decision.
"Towa, you had better fulfill your part of the deal but, I accept." The Super Saiyan vanishes in a burst of Time Energy.

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The tiny monkey-tailed boy looked at the crashed pod suspiciously. It was just sitting there, after nearly taking his head off. He was just minding his own business, slaughtering fleeing civilians when it came down right over his head, embedding itself in the storefront next to him where it hadn't moved since. With a casual wave of Power he ends his fun and the lives of many. Approaching the small pod, his tail wrapping around his waist tightly.
He opens the ancient relic, a soft hiss of atmosphere as the inside is exposed to fresh air for the first time in a millennia. And the course of his entire life changes.

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"Raditz pay attention!" The younger Saiyan demands "Stop reading that Space-Voodoo book, the future isn't real. Now what will be Frieza-Planet 998 is known as Collared Dandria by the locals, probably referencing it's ring or something. It's a Tuffle-like race again, though scouts report something about a natural knack for eye beams. So try not to be surprised by that."
Raditz looks up from the dataslate, refocusing his attention onto his Prince.
"It's not just future-telling, and it does work!" He grumbles under his breath.

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"Hey Raditz, do ya think you could do that Power-Infusion thing to these seeds while they are growing?" A general without an army asks, bent over a microscope. He knew the best way to grow a strong warrior was to find something they liked and then focus it onto combat, and until that mysterous pod he just hadn't found what made Raditz tick.
But that apparent birthday present from his father, it lit a fire under the boy. If only he could get him less focused on that silly book of Prophecy and Fortune-Telling and back onto the same track as his father. A combat scientist, one of the best who had finally unleashed the power of the Oozaru to a Saiyan's command with the Power Ball. What could his son be like if properly harnessed and raised within the field rather than adopting it like his father.

General Nappa glances at the tiny boy with enough hair for the both of them (which was fortuitous, as his own kept falling out). The boy was hooked he just needed a skillful hand to pull him out of the waters of mediocrity.
"It wouldn't work Nappa." The boy shakes his head "Saibamen don't use normal Ki, an influx of raw energies in such a volatile state is more likely to make them explode than gain any benefit. And after they have enough presence of mind to integrate the Power they have already been cast into their molds."
"Well then, perhaps the opposite way might help? Have you ever considered reversing the transfusion technique?" Nappa turns towards the boy and smirks victoriously at the sight before him.

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(PoV shift: Raditz)

Your eyes glow before you touch down onto this planet's Lookout Tower.

You flare your Power into the visible spectrum. Stepping out of the way you leaves a faint image of yourself behind to attract attention, then shifting behind your assailant.
You never liked invading worlds with Guardians, they always put up a fight and tempted out your tricks. Casting your Sense out to track Prince Vegeta. Still on the other side of the planet. Good.

The red-skinned ancient being looks momentarily puzzled as his hand passes through your Afterimage. You cup your hands and draw them to your waist.
"Turtle. Destruction. WAVE!" You incant the ancient Mnemonic. The technique of an alien race you had never met launches from your hands, boring deep into the Divinely-Chosen Guardian of a pitiful ball of dirt.
"What. Was that?" You spin around in shock at the words, spotting Nappa land, his hand tapping the scouter. "How did you concentrate your Power like th-"

You blink, glow fading. Touching down on the Lookout Tower, you sway out of the Guardian's lunging attack. This is going to hurt quite a lot.
You cross your arms as you feel the buildup of Power, and not a moment to soon as a golden burst of Power lances at you.
You are driven back by the blast, inch by inch, until you feel it suddenly halt. Opening your eyes you see General Nappa standing before you, casually ignoring the beam of Power as his Aura flickers with potent gold.
"Come on Raditz, keep up. It's only a weakling with a Power of..." He taps his scouter
"Heh, 4,000. That's not bad for a punk on a tower playing at Kami. But not good enough, when I'm fully rested." He walks forwards, through the beam as if it was nothing more than a particularly bright flashlight. His Aura flickers once and he grunts in pain taking a step back, but then he keeps moving protected by his Power.
What follows is both quick and brutal.

"Come on *munch* Raddie, *munch* Vegeta says it's time to pack up and go." The bald General says, between mouthfuls.
"We have a new mission and a new planet. Some world called...Cublora or something."
You freeze, you know that name.

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"To my eldest son Raditz. You should be around the age of seven now, a full year of study after your sixth birthday present. Congratulations on reading this fluently, but now is not the time for praise. There is work to be done. General Nappa and the Prince Vegeta cannot know of the future, all of my explorations of the future sight have shown me that if they know of the events laid within this letter, the events will not come to pass, and for the less because of it.
When you and your team attempt to invade Cublora you will be repulsed by powerful foes. In a timeline without my present you would have remembered Kakarot and volunteered to fetch him to aid the three of you. You will replicate this event as it is important."

You read the passage again for the thousandth time in your Pod, the Comms muted except for the emergency channel as Nappa is passing the time in the only way he knows how. Attempting to induce the Prince into such a state of rage the Prince attempts to murder his General with his mind.

"-nd after you send that message to that scum Frieza yo-"

"Raaaaditz. You can't ignore me Raditz. It isn't poliiite." Oh goddamn it he got bored with Vegeta. "Hey Raddie, areeeee wethereyet?"
You silently weigh the pros and cons of murdering the man.



Mechanics Information:
Raditz, PL 4,000
Very skilled at esoteric Ki techniques from a variety of alien races Bardock scried or techniques that Raditz himself has prophesied in potential futures from alien species.
Zenith level Hairdresser
Rather good at knitting
Knows a technique that knits Ki, creating a personal-scale energy shield that is rather taxing to form but sustains itself quite easily and is redundant (its also environmentally sealed and retains heat)
 
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