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The Life of a Half-Saiyan (Thread1) (DBZ)

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I really think that people are missing the obvious really in regards to the wish. We can't and won't wish for the Dragon to change us e.g. get rid of our instincts. How about we instead wish for knowledge of the mind such as meditation and control exercises? Then the only thing that has changed about us is that we now have access to knowledge that we can use to control our instincts. Or to phrase it another way. We are still the perfect LEGEND we just have access to knowledge that we would have spent decades maybe centuries gathering never mind actually learning it and implementing it. It is not a quick fix. It just gives us the tools to begin making ourselves more powerful as they say Knowledge is Power. And the Mind is Mighty.
 
irontony9065 said:
I really think that people are missing the obvious really in regards to the wish. We can't and won't wish for the Dragon to change us e.g. get rid of our instincts. How about we instead wish for knowledge of the mind such as meditation and control exercises? Then the only thing that has changed about us is that we now have access to knowledge that we can use to control our instincts. Or to phrase it another way. We are still the perfect LEGEND we just have access to knowledge that we would have spent decades maybe centuries gathering never mind actually learning it and implementing it. It is not a quick fix. It just gives us the tools to begin making ourselves more powerful as they say Knowledge is Power. And the Mind is Mighty.
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There's no reason to make a wish now and every reason not to. Only the black star dragon balls are available on earth.
 
GenoDragoon said:
Once Gossard gets older I could see him being very interested to spread the Saiyan genes with Mad Science. If his instincts are strong enough he would dislike using magic to alter his own mind for better control then it stands to reason he would want more of his own kind and with Gohan as an example of how Saiyan instincts can be diluted he can't just rely on mating with humans.
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Gohan doesn't have diluted Saiyan blood...If anything he is more Saiyan than the average Full-Saiyan where it counts (the Spark)
Saiyan genetics seems to be very dominant in canon, I mean Goku and Vegeta Jr can go Super Saiyan.
Gohan's daughter, had a grandson who went Super Saiyan.

And Vegeta said that hybrids are stronger than pure-blooded Saiyans.

Gossard might institute some kind of genetic retroviral to make Saiyan genetics even more dominant than it is naturally to prevent any possible genetic drift to Human baseline. But honestly with full understanding of Saiyan genetics would probably prefer to make Saiyaman (or Upgraded Saiyaman with genetic engineering) a species rather than return the Saiyans.

Also there is a difference between "I am the product of my mind, alter it and replace I" and "Saiyan all the way, Humanphobia"
You are your instincts, that doesn't mean every child needs to have those instincts. After all, not everyone is perfect enough to handle them
 
Graves said:
There's no reason to make a wish now and every reason not to. Only the black star dragon balls are available on earth.
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Not quite sure what the black star dragon balls are to be honest. But in regards to the wish. Chances are it will come up again in the future with new dragon balls with or without a new nemekian. And I just wanted to point out that wishing for knowledge would would bypass the instinct not wanting to go problem. Because they would still be there.
 
irontony9065 said:
Not quite sure what the black star dragon balls are to be honest. But in regards to the wish. Chances are it will come up again in the future with new dragon balls with or without a new nemekian. And I just wanted to point out that wishing for knowledge would would bypass the instinct not wanting to go problem. Because they would still be there.
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It's a GT thing, like SS4.
Basically before he split into Piccolo and Kami, the Nameless Namekian created the Black-Star Dragonballs.
Instead of basing around a planet, they spread through the Galaxy when used. Oh and also, if you don't gather them back on the planet you use them on within a year, that planet explodes.
Now that Piccolo and Kami fused together again, the Black-Star balls are active again. And Kami sent them all flying back to Earth.

This is also presumably the reason why Piccolo couldn't remake the Dragonballs after he fused with Kami and destroyed the Earth balls, he was now sustaining the Black-Star.
 
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irontony9065 said:
Not quite sure what the black star dragon balls are to be honest. But in regards to the wish. Chances are it will come up again in the future with new dragon balls with or without a new nemekian. And I just wanted to point out that wishing for knowledge would would bypass the instinct not wanting to go problem. Because they would still be there.
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Their dragon balls that the original fused form of kami and piccolo made. However when wished upon they scatter around the universe and if they aren't collected in one year and brought back to the world where the wish was made it blows up.
 
...We should murderize the Pilaf Gang. Stop them from using the Black Star Balls, get a nice pelt for momma, and prevent a hypothetical Goku!Trunks from waifuing a girl older than his mother.
 
Hm...so I think it's kinda obvious that yellow ki is a catalyst that when combined or changed into gold, allows transformations to occur (except maybe the brown/ape line, orange uses yellow ki or at least failed yellow)

So does that mean being better at using it (like Gohan does naturally) makes transforming in the other lines easier? Hypothetically
 
lordchaos99 said:
destroyed the Earth balls,
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Is it the act of merging with Kami that destroys them or did he do it intentionally in the show? Can't remember. And did he destroy them intentionally here? Or did he use them because that is another way for them to turn to stone. Probably destroyed actually now that I think of it. Otherwise the scattering sequence would have been mentioned.
 
irontony9065 said:
Is it the act of merging with Kami that destroys them or did he do it intentionally in the show? Can't remember. And did he destroy them intentionally here? Or did he use them because that is another way for them to turn to stone. Probably destroyed actually now that I think of it. Otherwise the scattering sequence would have been mentioned.
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The act of remerging did it. Kami is now effectively dead, so the dragonballs are no more.
 
irontony9065 said:
Is it the act of merging with Kami that destroys them or did he do it intentionally in the show? Can't remember. And did he destroy them intentionally here? Or did he use them because that is another way for them to turn to stone. Probably destroyed actually now that I think of it. Otherwise the scattering sequence would have been mentioned.
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Dragonballs need someone to actively maintain them or they turn to stone. It wasn't intentional, in fact I think it was a con they mentioned in the show.
And then Dende took up ownership and they came back, reverted back to the shiny orange they are.

codeRR said:
Hm...so I think it's kinda obvious that yellow ki is a catalyst that when combined or changed into gold, allows transformations to occur (except maybe the brown/ape line, orange uses yellow ki or at least failed yellow)

So does that mean being better at using it (like Gohan does naturally) makes transforming in the other lines easier? Hypothetically
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Yellow is just insufficiently potent Gold. The less raw Ki and the more Yellow Ki you have in a space the more Gold it is. Both Density and Purity matter. Yellow and Gold are just shades of the same Ki type


Orange is basically a thief, or a safety net. It uses failed Yellow because it deludes itself into thinking that is Orange and then makes that reality because Delusion.

irontony9065 said:
Thanking you. By the way does Piccolo know about the downside of wishing on the Black Dragon Balls?

I'm thinking not. Considering that neither of his halves have been off planet.
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The Nameless Namekian made the Blackstar Balls...and has been off-planet, he just forgot like he forgot his name.
Now if he REMEMBERS is another question entirely
 
codeRR said:
Well...were the black stars actually used before the nameless separated? He might be unaware because they weren't used so it's a distance memory and slips the mind.
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You kind of input what you want them to do...
The 'scatter all of the planet/galaxy' is actually a program you can turn on/off. Kami originally had it 'off' for the Dragonballs but they were abused so he changed it.

Shenron can resurrect any number of people who died within the last Rechargecycle (1 Earth Year)
Dende!Shenron gets 2 wishes because Dende used haxxor computeroptimizing skills
Porunga doesn't have a time limit (I dont think) but can only Rez 1 person at a time.

If a Namekian made a set of Dragonballs, they know how it works, just like a programmer knows what his code will do (barring Bugs).
Also, Nameless Namekian was trying to stave off Wish-Dragons by venting the anti-wish energy into the planet. He just included the failsafe in case it was an important planet accidentally.
 
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lordchaos99 said:
You kind of input what you want them to do...
The 'scatter all of the planet/galaxy' is actually a program you can turn on/off. Kami originally had it 'off' for the Dragonballs but they were abused so he changed it.

Shenron can resurrect any number of people who died within the last Rechargecycle (1 Earth Year)
Dende!Shenron gets 3 wishes because Dende used haxxor computeroptimizing skills
Porunga doesn't have a time limit (I dont think) but can only Rez 1 person at a time.

If a Namekian made a set of Dragonballs, they know how it works, just like a programmer knows what his code will do (barring Bugs).
Also, Nameless Namekian was trying to stave off Wish-Dragons by venting the anti-wish energy into the planet. He just included the failsafe in case it was an important planet accidentally.
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ah
 
Saiyan Instincts: 1,130

This was Gossards instincts before taking flight, now it's at 1, 010 meaning it went by over a hundred. So it looks like lowering instincts isn't a waste of time like people said.
 
Graves said:
I imagine something would have been said on screen about it.
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It was. Ya know with the retrograde transformation mentions of alien dna and all that.


What real interesting is the lack of mention of Goku's severe brain damage and plots to fix it. Fixing it and letting him relearn himself would go a long way to dealing super transformation induced sociopathy.
 
Larekko12 said:
It was. Ya know with the retrograde transformation mentions of alien dna and all that.


What real interesting is the lack of mention of Goku's severe brain damage and plots to fix it. Fixing it and letting him relearn himself would go a long way to dealing super transformation induced sociopathy.
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No that was gohans. Gossards probably behaves very differently then gohans.
 
Piccolo is in for a horrible horrible surprise. The last time Gossard met a green dude he tried to steal his green sparks. Legendary super saiyans hold grudges for far less. If Piccolo and Kami have similar Ki (which I'm assuming they do?) then I wouldn't be surprised if Gossard hates Piccolo and just straight up murders him. He is the legend after all.
 
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