The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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Okay since the lead has only grown I'm going to close the
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Studying and training. What an exemplary, industrious kid we are!
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I'm pretty sure Valyrian tradition was to just marry the strongest female and male claim together. Even before the conquest we see the lords of dragonstone marry their oldest son and daughter together. Aegon I was even said to have even had a duty to marry Visenya, his older sister. The generation after that Aenys I had no sisters and he married a Velaryon, but the next generation had his oldest son and oldest daughter, Aegon and Rhaena, married together. Before that when it was considered unclear whether Aenys I oldest child, his daughter Rhaena, or Aenys' brother Maegor, should be heir, Visenya said Maegor and Rhaena should just be wed together. The generation after that when Jaehaerys and Alyssane were arguing whether their heir should be Aemon (oldest son) or Daenerys (oldest child) Jaehaerys even replied that it didn't matter which of them was heir because they would both be wed together.
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Imperious
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Trying to hold the throne with just brute force alone probably just gets us killed by whoever gets Vhagar or Vermithor though or even just who can manage to take us on with two dagons to our one.
It's how Aegon the uncrowned died, when Maegor took him on with the largest dragon of the age, and how open rebelion started against Maegor, when people thought that a combination of Vermithor and Silverwing could take him, respectively.
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No king can rule through the threat of force alone, trying to hold onto the throne through brute strength will get us killed very quickly. Maegor had the largest creature in the whole world at his beck and call and he still couldn't keep it, we have.... Syrax.
To be fair, our Syrax will be a quite larger than canon one.
Imperious
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Yeah but during the dance Caraxes should have been about twice Syrax's age, being in his seventies compared to Syrax being in her thirties if we assume both dragons, which were claimed as youths, were at about the age of their first rider. Caraxes was described as having been half the size of Vhagar. Even if we assume that our Syrax, due to its growth spurt, grows to be about Caraxes' size by the canonical time of the dance, which seems pretty charitable, we'd still be in a disadvantage in a fight against whoever rides Vhagar at the time at a contest of brute force alone.
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Caraxes is kind of hard to judge because he's both a deformed noodle boy (who I adore) and his bond with Daemon is probably the strongest of any dragon and rider. When Daemon gets injuried, Caraxes feels it.
Imperious
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I think the bond part might be selling Sunfyre a bit short, but point being that Vhagar is a big girl, and even a Syrax that grows faster then canon seems likely to still be dwarfed by the world's most bloodthirsty granny.
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Well yes, Syrax is not approaching Vhagar's size within this quest. Depending on how long this goes she may get to Meleys size or bigger but I'm not firm on that.
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*Thread proceeds to spend the next thirty turns feeding Syrax steroids and DGH [dragon growth hormone].*
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Whereas I agree that force alone is not going to cut it, to be well know for our strength is probably going to prevent some asshole Lords for abandoning their vows due to the fear of crossing us, wich is a pretty great thing on itself...
What we should avoid at all costs is to do like Rhaenyra did in canon and stay mostly isolated for 10 years in Dragonstone with her hubby and Children, we need to stay involved with the realm and King's Landing (especially when we are a cople of hours away in dragon)... Hell, depending on how Viserys health goes, we may end up as an acting regent in his final years wich would made the Green's plot basically impossible...
That is pretty great TBH, Meleys size is enough so that we have good chances that we could take any other dragon (besides Vaghar) on one on one, and that we can doble team Vaghar...
We just need to bring magic back in the world just like our great-great-great-great-great-great granddaughter Dany will, so that Syrax can benefit from the growth boost that her Dragons did...
Unfortunately we needed the bookworm background to do it...
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Imperious
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That's where the Small Council seat ambition comes in.
Also I still think we should aim at some point to try to convince Viserys to hand us Blackfyre as his heir and in recognition of our skills at some point. Aside from it just being a baller Valyrian Steel sword, we're also talking about the sword of kings here. Just holding it is a symbol of legitimacy, as it was for Aegon in OTL.
But who do we partner with to double team Vhagar is the question.
Keep in mind that depending on how things go in the quest, we may find ourself in a civil war against the Velaryons rather then with them on our side, namely if Viserys does end up marrying Laena, since it seems very likely Corlys and Rhaenys would try to promote the claim of any brother we'll have by her over us.
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It is important to keep in mind you don't know your enemies will be yet. You will have enemies, you may even have multiple different enemies, but who they are is far from certain yet.
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Imperious
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In case we do get to have some input about who Viserys will remarry, we may want to consider who. Someone from the North, who tend to be distant from the politics of King's Landing? People who put great value on oaths like Tullies or Starks?
Apologies, but I can't help myself:
Pfft. Everyone knows the part about burning down the Riverlands being Aemond's idea is just a historical embelishment. Just look at all the times Aemond has had to try to stop Granny from throwing down.
The real mastermind behind that one was granny, who was hoping that another game of burn the castle might get Visenya out of her funk that had been making her so peacable ever since she put that eye patch on.
Aemond's contribution to the matter was just to scream all the way
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Looking at the ages, I just realized that Ormund Hightower might be close to Laena Velaryon in age. While his actual age isn't stated, his son Lyonel was 16 in 130 AC. Assuming Lyonel was his first or second child and that he had him in his early-to-mid twenties, he'd be anywhere from a few months to a few years older than her.
While it isn't likely - I think that both houses have other plans in mind for both of them - a Hightower-Velaryon alliance could be interesting as an enemy for is to maneuver against (though not as an ally - who could be a credible threat to Rhaenyra if she had such powerful backers?).
While it isn't likely - I think that both houses have other plans in mind for both of them - a Hightower-Velaryon alliance could be interesting as an enemy for is to maneuver against (though not as an ally - who could be a credible threat to Rhaenyra if she had such powerful backers?).
Imperious
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A different great house whose kids with Viserys get not only Vhagar, but also Vermithor and Silverwing. Not to mention the possibility of a Dreamfyre rider who isn't as passive as Helaena.
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In this hypothetical I would expect Daemon to still cause issues.
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*winces in FITE flashback*
Looking at it like that, it really is CK3 Eugenics. We can't allow too much Valyrian blood to flow out, so as to not give other Houses the Dragonrider trait
Which really does incentivize "pure" marriages as a matter of canon lore, and not just arrogant attitude.War of five dragonriders. Suggestions?
Imperious
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You can also try to deal with it by restricting access to the dragons themselves. Jaehaerys flipped his shit when Rhaena lost three of Dreamfyre's eggs for example and didn't let even most of his children have dragons.*winces in FITE flashback*
Looking at it like that, it really is CK3 Eugenics. We can't allow too much Valyrian blood to flow out, so as to not give other Houses the Dragonrider trait
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