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Yes, but that's 12 months, 365 days, 8760 hours.
For someone who does not sleeps, a year is a long time.
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For someone who does not sleeps, a year is a long time.
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thanks sv, very cool
Nottheunmaker
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Loving all these knee jerk reactions from people that are ignoring the context so they can feel indignant.
And what is the context, in your opinion?
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what context am i missing for "I'm dereccing this because it has gays in it" exactly
what stunning context makes this not obviously repulsive
Nottheunmaker
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This, in the very comment you lot are quoting. This is the context you are ignoring so you can be mad.
Doing something homophobic and then say ing "but guys I'm not being homophobic" doesn't actually make the first thing not count, you realize?
While Duncan managed to say it in possibly the worst way I could think of, pretty sure the point is that they were saying "M/M in this case is a point towards dereccing for me because I dislike changing the canon orientation of characters to facilitate a ship". Personally, I'll admit the same that changing character orientations from straight to gay for a story tends to at least get a raised eyebrow - though certainly less so when it's been pointed out to me in the past that it's entirely possible for a character to be bi and it to just not come up in the original text. I won't even begin to pretend changing someone's sexual orientation from straight to otherwise is in the same ballpark as doing the opposite, but I think it can absolutely still be a valid personal peeve against a fic without being homophobic.
I suppose I'm a bit sensitive because of how many times I've seen "I don't mind gays, but don't put them in my fic," ya know? If @Duncan Idaho wants to clarify, that's fi ne, but what they actually posted was pretty shitty.
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Derecing a fic in this manner (that is, because it contains a M/M pairing) is a violation of Rule Two: Don't Be Hateful. As such, you have been given a 25 point infraction and a three day threadban.
Seihai-kun
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>it ticks a box for derecing
>explains why (its usually done for the sake of shipping)
>say he's going to read it in full anyway
Duncan almost always gives a complete review of all the strong points or faults when he actually derrecs a fic. Maybe wait until he's done reading it in full, like he said he would, and until he gives a veredict?
>explains why (its usually done for the sake of shipping)
>say he's going to read it in full anyway
Duncan almost always gives a complete review of all the strong points or faults when he actually derrecs a fic. Maybe wait until he's done reading it in full, like he said he would, and until he gives a veredict?
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Didn't we agree you have to actually read a fic before you can rec or derec it? Not just derec based on your prejudices and/or the summary?
Seihai-kun
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Yeah, but he didn't derec it. He just said the M/M pairing was a warning sign. Then he proceeds to say he's going to read the entire thing anyway.
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I didn't ignore that context, it just doesn't do anything to make it not repulsive.
Anzer'ke
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It's possible that Duncan is a homophobe with a stunning lack of awareness in their posting, but speaking as the guy who recc'd the fic in the first place I find it more likely that they are opposed for the same reason that I often pre-emptively ignore fics for this kind of thing.
Look at something as wonderful as 'Our Dreams At Dusk' by Yuhki Kamatani (an xgender asexual) and how that deals with LGBT+ experiences. Now look at the average BL manga (and their author) and tell me they have even the slightest thing in common. Yaoi is the literary equivalent of lesbian pornography and is exactly as respectful. Yaoi is also what the overwhelming majority of M/M fics on AO3 are, being written by straight (so painfully straight that they usually default to writing gay men with one coded female and one coded male) girls for other straight girls.
While there is also a rather wonderful thread of queer fiction on AO3, it's drowned out by the yaoi tide and it's pretty understandable to be turned off by the latter. I wouldn't have gone so far as to pre-emptively derec before reading, but when Kate09 posted all those links last page there's a reason I didn't click on several of them.
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So what? Like, granting for the sake of argument that you are correct about @Duncan Idaho 's motivations, their post was bad enough that they absolutely deserved to get hit for it. Why are you rushing to excuse homophobia?
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He did, he later changed his mind about it, but he did de-rec it, and got interacted for it.
Oh it definitely can be something other than homophobic, although "the story mentions a gay relationship" is all you need to know to de-rec it it becomes a lot harder to argue that it's not homophobic, but I'll grant it's still quite possible.
The problem is if that's all it takes for you to derec a story then your recs and de-recs are worthless. To take an example of Harry potter fandom, that's like derecing a story because it has Hermione kissing Harry, or alternatively because it is a H/G story, or worse recommending a story because it has your favorite pairing. Even some extremely off pairings can be done very well (I even read a Harry/Snape story that was fairly well done and fit the characters other than Harry as we knew them in the first four books (it was started before book 5 came out), and justified the changes in Harry's personality quite well.
he isn't. He's explaining why he isn't rushing to see homophobia when there are other explanations.
I suspect the mods would consider this line of argument off topic and too close to "arguing with the mods" so we should drop it, or move it to a more appropriate thread.
Vyslanté
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Oh, so that's what it takes?
Well then, I am preemptively de-recing every single fic in this thread. After all, while there is some rather wonderful fanfictions out there, it's drowned out by the tide of mediocre (or straight up bad) ones, so I'm not willing to take any chances 😐
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People can have preferences.
He dosn't say WHY it ticks a Derec box, and from where I'm standing that sounds like someone reading something into it on their own.
The rest of the post?
Yeah... Sounds like reading into it and assuming 'you don't like it and dared to mention it, hateful!'.
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With the thread reopened here's a completed quest that I think fits on the list Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest) Original - Fantasy
It is a Xianxia, but one that follows the slow progression of power and character development, not jumping to the MC getting world breaking power. The Quest follows Ling Qi, a street rat who was identified as having the potential to become a powerful cultivator and offered a scholarship to learn how to do so in exchange for military service and her learning to become a cultivator and growing both in power and as a person.
The Quest is complete and a sequel in process. While it is also being edited into a proper, publishable, story but I think even the quest form is worth considering for the list.
It is a Xianxia, but one that follows the slow progression of power and character development, not jumping to the MC getting world breaking power. The Quest follows Ling Qi, a street rat who was identified as having the potential to become a powerful cultivator and offered a scholarship to learn how to do so in exchange for military service and her learning to become a cultivator and growing both in power and as a person.
The Quest is complete and a sequel in process. While it is also being edited into a proper, publishable, story but I think even the quest form is worth considering for the list.
I love the quest, but I'm not sure one could call it one of the best fics ever. While it has great characters and moments, its pacing and ability to hold arcs together well is substantially hindered by the quest structure and mechanics. The old "there are a bunch of things that voters have voted to do in this 'turn' and need to be shown in writing" problem that such quests tend to fall into is absolutely prevalent here, and this kind of simulationism reduces the smoothness of the narrative. We might also note elements such as the way we were allowed to largely fail to engage with the world and just cultivate our way to security are significant narrative flaws, with the Renshu "arc" in particular suffering (it is being rewritten and is much better in the RoyalRoad version, but that isn't complete). The entire back 20% of the quest from ~weeks 40 to 50 has very little happen and the pacing slows to a crawl.
Overall, many have argued it's one of the best Xianxia out there, and is one of the best quests on SV. I would absolutely recommend it to people who are interested in those things. But I wouldn't say it's tight enough and edited enough to be enshrined here.