I forget, can we approval-vote? I like Liv bubbling over with yesses as she lets herself break down and say it.

There are reasons I initially said "people with normal relationship experiences, halp" back in campaign 2.
Sorry.

I wasn't so much talking about the "what about people without relationship experience" angle so much as the "what about people whose view of young love is jaundiced by time." Like, the whole "a teenager can't really be in love, they don't understand love" idea is not something actual teenagers who've been in a seven-month relationship are likely to be seriously thinking.
 
[x] nope!

[X] of course I do! What we have, I want it to last, you know? I've just been...scared, I guess? Things have been good and I didn't want them to change, but then I guess I went and changed everything anyway. It's a lot to unpack, and I'm sorry I did it the way I did it all at once.
 
[X] Yes...yes, of...YES! Like, wow, yes! So much yes, I can't even...yes!
Word fumbling is something I remember. Fondly even.
[X] Yes.
 
[X] of course I do! What we have, I want it to last, you know? I've just been...scared, I guess? Things have been good and I didn't want them to change, but then I guess I went and changed everything anyway. It's a lot to unpack, and I'm sorry I did it the way I did it all at once.
I approve of this vote. Do I need to repost my previous vote, or what?
I'm also a little confused at everyone rating my write-in funny, as it was meant to be quite sincere. I guess the first line is kind of amusing, though.
I'm kinda worried this verges into creepily obsessed?
I'll grant that drawing the interest/infatuation/love gradient this way is a little weird, but it does communicate something pretty important - that Liv's liking May is kind of a bigger deal than being Arachne, and considerably older - while using the term within the bounds of colloquial use. The 'hanging out' line was supposed to show Liv understanding the natural crush/love breakpoint without making the phrasing awkward.
Similarly, the 'or as long as you'll have me' line was to show Liv's willingness to back off. Willingness to back off is the difference between 'creepily obsessed' and 'wonderfully attentive'.
Are you still worried?
 
[I think there are also elements of "thirtysomething SVers trying to pilot a teenager" here.
You'll be validated to know that as of this vote there are indeed thirty something svers here. 33 to be precise.
[X] If I wasn't so horrified and panicked becauseI thought you thought I was cheating on you I would have come up with a more graceful way to explain this.
 
[x] [Liv] Yes! I think so? I have wanted to talk to you for years, I want to spend all my time with you, you make everything better, that's love, isn't it? Athena, Help!
-[x] [Athena] Liv is panicking and can't make coherent conversation right now. If she doesn't love you then I don't know what love is. She is also avoiding an important conversation about boundaries.

I am totally failing to get the voices here, but, like, I think that I hit the points that I wanted. Of course, Athena is a bit calm here, which in practice she is probably having her own acute resonses to Liv's condition and actions, and has her own appreciation for May as a person who could get hurt...
 
Sorry.

I wasn't so much talking about the "what about people without relationship experience" angle so much as the "what about people whose view of young love is jaundiced by time." Like, the whole "a teenager can't really be in love, they don't understand love" idea is not something actual teenagers who've been in a seven-month relationship are likely to be seriously thinking.
I mean, in fairness to you, neither really describes me -- my wife and I are just really like absurdly good at communicating, and even as teenagers were referred to as the "boring old couple". So, teen relationship angst/drama is so outside my wheelhouse that I bend over backwards on myself to avoid writing it because I just cannot wrap my brain around it.

That having been said,
I forget, can we approval-vote? I like Liv bubbling over with yesses as she lets herself break down and say it.
I feel like bubbling over/exuberance is kinda not reading the room when it comes to May's emotional state. To me, at least, she's reading like she wants/needs some gentle tenderness/reassurance, not "bouncing-out-of-your-skin" nervy enthusiasm.
 
I mean, in fairness to you, neither really describes me -- my wife and I are just really like absurdly good at communicating, and even as teenagers were referred to as the "boring old couple". So, teen relationship angst/drama is so outside my wheelhouse that I bend over backwards on myself to avoid writing it because I just cannot wrap my brain around it.

That having been said,

I feel like bubbling over/exuberance is kinda not reading the room when it comes to May's emotional state. To me, at least, she's reading like she wants/needs some gentle tenderness/reassurance, not "bouncing-out-of-your-skin" nervy enthusiasm.
You're right, but it's a kind of failure to read the room that doesn't mean you're saying no to May when she desperately needs assurance of love.

So it's probably still a fuckup of some kind in context, but it's a fuckup that's in keeping with the spirit of "never cruel, never cowardly."
 
A lot of these suggestions are really good, though one thing I really want to work in there clearly is that Liv liked May before she got her powers. The way this bit reframes things, May isn't a superhero's girlfriend, she's high-school sweethearts with the world's most awkward lesbian. And I think it would be good for her to know that. Also hi everyone! I was summoned by lesbian distress.

[X] Yes. A lot, I mean even back before all *waves hands at spider-gear* this I had the biggest dumbest crush on you because you were so cool and cuteandsweetandIreallyhopeI'mnotbeingcreepyandImsorry.

Athena: Liv's liked you since before I even existed, definitely before all the spider-stuff. Really embarassing, very funny, I have so much gossip to spill. I know this is a lot, but I want you to know that that's who you've been dating and being all sappy with. Not Arachne, not The Person Who Invented The First And Coolest AI Ever, Olivia Octavius the massive dork who worries about her worrying.
 
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Starting Over
"Yes." you said, without hesitation. You'd never said it before to her, the two of you dancing around it, but you had for a long time. "I... like, wow, yes, I..."

She nodded against your leg, and you stopped your before you could babble.

"You mean it?" she whispered.

"Yes." you repeated. "I really do."

She chuckled, a little pained, and rolled over to look up at you, reaching a hand up to take yours. You dropped the phone and the back of the seat, noting the call blipping out as Athena gave you this private moment.

"I think..." she started, paused, sniffed, "I think I... I love you. Or... I thought... I love the person I know. I just don't know if that person is real."

"May..." you started, wanting to defend yourself. Wanting to say that the person she knew was real, even if there was more going on. But it felt... wrong. Unfair. Manipulative, maybe. You'd listened in on one too many arguments to not know the sort of thing people said to defend themselves, the lies they told. "... I understand. I'm sorry."

"Hold my hand." she muttered, reaching up, and your fingers met hers, gripped, intertwined, and she closed her eyes, letting out a long breath. Minutes ticked by slowly, just sitting with one another in the space, in the discomfort. You thought maybe that May was stuck, caught between her uncertainty with you and her unwillingness to abandon the physical comfort you were providing. So you just sat, awkwardly, waiting.

"Liv..." she said finally, her voice quiet, soft. "I don't want this to be it. I don't. But... this hurts. It... it's not like you did anything wrong... like, I'm not stupid, I know how the secret identity thing works. Just..."

"It still sucks." you muttered, and she nodded, the cute little nod she did, rapid little tilts of her head.

"Yeah. It does." she said. "And it's like... I don't think... it's bad. That you're Arachne. I think... I think that's really cool, and brave, a-and... it's just not who I thought you were."

"Yeah." you agreed.

"Cant you still be her instead?" she asked, pleaded, almost. "Please?"

"... I mean, I can't make the powers go away, and Athena is still a person, but I can-"

"No. Nevermind, that's stupid. I wouldn't want that." May said, sighing. "... can I get to know you again instead? Can we stay together?"

It seemed strange for her to be asking that. You didn't really understand, but you nodded along.

"Of course." you said. "Of course we can."

"Okay." she said, sighed, squeezed your hand. "Okay. I think... we're starting over, this weekend."

"Alright." you replied numbly, not sure what that meant, exactly. You didn't know if she knew either.

---

After a few more minutes, May asked you to get the car going again, and the two of you continued to the con. You didn't watch anymore Lensmen on the trip, but instead you just went through the whole story of how you got where you were, everything, while she sat close, if nothing quite touching, listening intently. You told her about Norman, about creating Athena, about the fight in the basement of the CIA building. About the Stark robots, about Loki, about meeting Steve Rogers. The fact you'd been crushing on her before you'd gotten your powers, before you'd transitioned. You told her things you hadn't even told your therapist.

The whole time, she just listened, silently, at most encouraging you to keep talking. Even after the car pulled into parking at the convention centre, you stayed and talked an hour more, detailing how your powers worked as best you could tell, what devices you'd created, how you stayed safe on patrol. She asked to talk to Athena again after a while, and put the phone on speakerphone and just talked.

You were worried the part where you explained how Athena and you could switch places would be the final straw, it was probably the single thing you were most nervous about, but she actually took that one in stride. She followed a musician or something who was openly part of a plural system, and the moment Athena brought up the comparison she nodded in understanding. That was..

Well, at least she didn't think you were crazy.

Finally, she leaned away, her hand finding the latch of the door, and she rubbed her eyes with a yawn.

"We should get our badges before it gets too late. It sucks doing it in the morning." she said, and then she broke into a smile. "This was a bit more of an exciting ride than I was expecting."

"It gets like that." Athena said, sounding rather resigned to it.

"... uh, wait, real quick... are you the Athena from twitter?" May asked, and a very, almost surprisingly human laugh came out the phone.

"The one and only. The AI stuff is not, in fact, a joke." Athena said, "Though it is objectively funny. I also run Arachne's blog."

"Cool! Um... we gotta go, but I guess... you can see stuff through the phone, right?"

"I am always watching, plunging Liv's life into an Orwellian nightmare, yes." Athena said.

"Well... then congrats, we're sneaking you into the con without a pass." May said, and she unlatched the door. You grabbed your stuff out the trunk, slinging your bags over your shoulder and helping pull May's free, and as the two of you started towards the elevator you put your earbud back in, finally.

"Well, Liv, as tactics to avoid sex goes, nearly completely torpedoing your own relationship is certainly a thorough one." Athena's voice whispered. "You okay? Do you need anything?"

"I think I'm going to need to go cry for an hour after this." you whispered, as May began jamming on the elevator call button. You'd spent the whole ride in a sort of emotional numbness, terrified of expressing any kind of feelings or preferences lest it come off (or be) manipulative. You felt cored out inside.

"That's a good idea. This has been emotionally trying for both of you, but you've done a good job handling things, all things considered. I think she's kind of... recoiling right now, and trying to cling to something normal and safe. And to you. I don't want to scare you, but she might change her mind later."

The elevator dinged and opened, and you strode toward it after May.

"I know." you said quietly.

---

You checked in to your room at the connected hotel, not even going up to see it yet, stood in line for about twenty minutes to get your badges, took a brief look at the various viewing rooms, and then May asked if she could have some space at one of them. You retreated back to the hotel with both your stuff (a feat, given you didn't exactly have a lot of hands to work with), up to the room, and opened the door to find a neat little suite with a single large bed and a chair that, fortunately, looked comfy enough to sleep on. You set everything down, collapsed into the chair, and just let out a sort of defeated groan.

"That sucked."

You didn't cry like you were expecting. Instead you just sort of collapsed back into the chair, turned on the TV to nothing in particular, and faded out, still in your clothes. You never even noticed May come in.

---

First day of the convention! May knows what she wants to do and you're more or less along for the ride, but what you can do is focus on May. What do you do?
[ ] You try to be as you try to find every place you can to go the extra mile and show you care. Wait in lines for her, volunteer to carry stuff, whatever she needs. Maximum apology mode.​
[ ] You try to act like things are normal, like a normal outing with the two of you. Try to give her a sense of stability and normalcy. You're still the Liv she remembers.​
[ ] Give her a little space. Treat it like an outing with a friend, not a date. Show you can be there for her and be cool even without the implied reciprocity of a relationship. Maybe she'll feel safer.​
Oh, and maybe there might be one or two places where you could subtly use your powers to make your day easier. Getting elevators when your hands are full, helping the artist struggling with the credit card reader on her phone, that sort of thing. You'd offer first, of course...
[ ] No, best not to even bring it up.​
[ ] Maybe it'll help her become more comfortable with it?​
 
"I think I'm going to need to go cry for an hour after this." you whispered, as May began jamming on the elevator call button. You'd spent the whole ride in a sort of emotional numbness, terrified of expressing any kind of feelings or preferences lest it come off (or be) manipulative. You felt cored out inside.

Fuck that's a mood. I've done this more than I'm happy with.
 
[X] You try to act like things are normal, like a normal outing with the two of you. Try to give her a sense of stability and normalcy. You're still the Liv she remembers.

[X] Maybe it'll help her become more comfortable with it?

I have no idea what I'm doing aaaaaaaaaah
 
[X] You try to act like things are normal, like a normal outing with the two of you. Try to give her a sense of stability and normalcy. You're still the Liv she remembers.
[X] Maybe it'll help her become more comfortable with it?

This seems like the best way to move forward: get her to accept our powers but show that the personality she knows was and still is real.
 
[ ] You try to be as you try to find every place you can to go the extra mile and show you care. Wait in lines for her, volunteer to carry stuff, whatever she needs. Maximum apology mode.

Is it an over correction? Yes. Is it likely to be adorable? Also yes.
 
First day of the convention! May knows what she wants to do and you're more or less along for the ride, but what you can do is focus on May. What do you do?[ ] You try to be as you try to find every place you can to go the extra mile and show you care. Wait in lines for her, volunteer to carry stuff, whatever she needs. Maximum apology mode.[ ] You try to act like things are normal, like a normal outing with the two of you. Try to give her a sense of stability and normalcy. You're still the Liv she remembers.[ ] Give her a little space. Treat it like an outing with a friend, not a date. Show you can be there for her and be cool even without the implied reciprocity of a relationship. Maybe she'll feel safer.
Rapidly vaccilitate between all 3 option based upon the slightest feedback.

It's not panic, it's A|B|C testing.

Oh, and maybe there might be one or two places where you could subtly use your powers to make your day easier. Getting elevators when your hands are full, helping the artist struggling with the credit card reader on her phone, that sort of thing. You'd offer first, of course...[ ] No, best not to even bring it up.[ ] Maybe it'll help her become more comfortable with it?
An amorphous mass of stories which I have read/seen/and so on yet can not remember, suggests that this would be a terrible thing to do.

Using powers for personal gain in the one episode where the presence of those powers is revealed to a second person, always in either greed or an overblown desire to show off.
 
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An amorphous mass of stories which I have read/seen/and so on yet can not remember, suggests that this would be a terrible thing to do.

Using powers for personal gain in the one episode where the presence of those powers is revealed to a second person, always in either greed or an overblown desire to show off.

That suggests to me that we should do it, because a lot of the themes of that are pretty toxic and against the themes of the story we're in.
 
[X] You try to act like things are normal, like a normal outing with the two of you. Try to give her a sense of stability and normalcy. You're still the Liv she remembers.
[X] Maybe it'll help her become more comfortable with it?
 
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