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Terminus Quest: A CKII Mass Effect Quest

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... Really dalatrass (lost any semblance of relative respect so lowercap)? NO really from all Salarian fuck-ups this is perhaps second to only refusing Krogan genophage.
And really, this –
PoptartProdigy said:
our plans for a preemptive strike
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HOW STUPID CAN THEY BE?!?!!!!
I knew the lystheni lacked brain-power for realising their shit, but even this is "wtf" level stupidity.

Partially am for
[ ] Play it cool. Depart in your own shuttle without comment to anybody. Get off of this toothless platform before the shooting starts.

but lystheni captains might be as triggery/STUPID as dalatrass, so we better get this done while on the platform so:

[ ] Write-in.
-[ ] Secretly contact your fleet and order Alpha Strike. MAKE SURE non of this leaves this system before NEW strategy is formed.


— Just sayin' maybe it's possible to order general surrender from dalatrass' (code phrase or secret password).... oh, who am I kidding cult's are dumb
 
On a side note, IIRc there were only 2-3 people who knew everything about the Lystheni fleet.

One was the Dalatress. Do we know where the others are?
 
KhazintheDark said:
Do their shuttles have auto-pilot? And if so do we know how to use them?
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You have not had time to familiarize yourself with their controls.
Simon_Jester said:
I don't think we can mind-read such recognition codes out of the Lystheni. Can asari do that?
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Thus far I'm not playing the asari as having non-consensual mind-reading abilities.
Simon_Jester said:
Hey, Poptart, are we on approval voting or 'pick one' voting in this quest?
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Per the Rules Screen:
PoptartProdigy said:
Sometimes, options selected during year posts are fiddly enough that they warrant further resolution in the form of event chains. These chains will by default be by tasked approval voting, with victory by plurality.
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10ebbor10 said:
Anyway, how certain are we that this is the real Dalatrass, and not some sort of decoy?
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Not 100% but her reaction when she thought was "in advantageous situation" just oozed moustache-twirling-Villain stupidity.

No7sHere said:
Ok something is screwy here, there is no possible way anyone could be this stupid, either they're indoctrinated or we're missing something.
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Let's just say:
"their stupidity go to levels of natural selection"
 
ok I'm done processing the stupidity here. I think I can track their thought process. Due to the Donny Kruger effect they did not realize how outclassed their "navy" really was. Thy honestly thought a first strike against us at an opportune time would let them take us out. They seemed to assume this was necessary because they are super paranoid, and their leadership was way to used to getting their own way, so when we didn't roll over we got labeled as a long term existential threat.

This particular bit of stupidity is a mix of misapplied salarian doctrine and assuming similarities where there are none. They would be helpless and leaderless after a decapitation strike so they assumed we'd be the same, and they are vastly overestimating how great a force multiplier surprise and striking while the enemy is in disorder can be. So clearly if they take us out of play our nation will be paralyzed and easy prey. Except not only would our chain of command let us keep going with minimal disruption, but even with the element of surprise our navy could wipe theirs out.

as for the Rachni , Donny Kruger effect again. they don't understand that they don't understand how big a threat the Rachni are. They don't understand that no they can't just hide from the genocidal space swarms. Or maybe their paranoia meant they didn't believe us about the nature of the Rachni. I suspect that this entire mess was likely possible because of how hyper compartmentalized they are, no one but the military idiot in charge had the full picture so the Dalatrass had no effective advisors to slap some sense into her. surely someone in her government had a double digit martial score, but they likely just assumed the idiotic orders they where getting made sense with information the Dalatrass hadn't given them.

I think trying to flee the station may be a bad idea, they likely have contingences in place for that. They came here ready for a betrayal, and overconfident or not the enemy fleeing while jamming comms is the kind of thing I could see them preparing for. But I rather doubt they are willing to fir on the platform containing the Dalatrass without explicit orders.
 
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So the Lysenthi know that their Dalatrass wanted to take us hostage. So they're ready for an attack. If we try to leave in the shuttles, they will open fire. Let's get these shields up, and order our navy to attack.

Edit: and get a fucking warship in here to get us off this rock.
 
random_npc said:
This particular bit of stupidity is a mix of misapplied salarian doctrine and assuming similarities where there are none. They would be helpless and leaderless after a decapitation strike so they assumed we'd be the same, and they are vastly overestimating how great a force multiplier surprise and striking while the enemy is in disorder can be. So clearly if they take us out of play our nation will be paralyzed and easy prey. Except not only would our chain of command let us keep going with minimal disruption, but even with the element of surprise our nave could wipe theirs out.
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It is also possible that for all their spying, their military intelligence was shit and they severely underestimated how powerful our fleet really is. They did know a lot about the political situation on Virmire, but i think that we caught their big electronic intercept operation early on before we really got rolling with the fleet buildup. They might be operating on thoroughly outdated intelligence of our military power.
 
KhazintheDark said:
There an IC example of that or just posters saying it?
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Yes their is

PoptartProdigy said:
"The more we learn about the Lystheni, the less like a government and more like a cult they seem," she replies. "Be cautious of them, Prime Minister. Tensions are high, they have our people in their territory, and they're doubtlessly feeling backed into a corner. That was the plan, but that our people are still behind their lines was not. They have leverage, now."
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Chronic said:
It is also possible that for all their spying, their military intelligence was shit and they severely underestimated how powerful our fleet really is.
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They managed to steal all our blueprints. If they have that level of access, they can acquire all the info on the size of the fleet. Hell, I'm not even sure we classify that.

What could be possible however is that they don't believe it. That they think that any fleet they don't observe directly isn't real.
 
Poptart, what's the status on our out-system fleet asset readiness and travel times to get them in here as reinforcements?
 
10ebbor10 said:
Alternatively, any competent person is a thread and should be kept as far away from power or eliminated.
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that I rather doubt. you'd need maybe marital 10 to realize that they could not beat us militarily, and that is literally average. make a dozen people read the art of war and spend a few weeks doing exercises and you'll probably get a few dudes with martial 10. Far more likely they simply made sure no one in the navy had the full picture, so they all assumed their plans where perfectly sane and smart with the right context.

Chronic said:
It is also possible that for all their spying, their military intelligence was shit and they severely underestimated how powerful our fleet really is. They did know a lot about the political situation on Virmire, but i think that we caught their big electronic intercept operation early on before we really got rolling with the fleet buildup. They might be operating on thoroughly outdated intelligence of our military power.
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possibly, but somewhat unlikely. We didn't exactly hide our fleet strength, and even public broadcasts alone would give them a decent idea of our fleet size. Just the mere existence of battle cruisers would be enough for them to realize they should not be fucking with us with a fleet as weak as theirs.
 
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10ebbor10 said:
They managed to steal all our blueprints. If they have that level of access, they can acquire all the info on the size of the fleet. Hell, I'm not even sure we classify that.

What could be possible however is that they don't believe it. That they think that any fleet they don't observe directly isn't real.
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It's also possible that they were so focused on tech they didn't actually look at our fleet size.
 
huh.. Just thought up a potintialy interesting option. and possibly the only way I can see to get her and her polity to surrender peacefully.
Shove the entire truth down her throat. show here exactly how outclassed her fleet is by ours. the recording of previous battles where both sides lost more tonnage then she currently has. of the fact that our government is set up that a single decapitations strike (which she failed miserably at) would not even cause it to stumble, and only serve to enrage our population.

I'd give it about a 20% chance of working.
 
QuietlyObserving said:
You know, on reflection, I can see why the Lystheni are out here what was basically the boonies. It was partly because of whatever crimes or questionable acts they made, and maybe partly because of whatever weird cult thing they have going.

But really? The other Salarians kicked them out because they were too stupid. The other Dalatrasses all said "If we keep your stupidity around, sooner or later you're going to breed it into the greater gene pool. Please leave before then."

And when the Dalatrasses say that, you know you've got problems.
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Ya know what. I think you have something here.

The outside galaxy comes knocking and the Salarians begin breeding for people that will preform better on the galactic stage. But no scientist will modify their entire population without a control group. So the isolationist portion of the society was rounded up and the Lysenthi were sent off as a the control group. Baseline Salarians that were not influenced by the outside galaxy.
 
I mean, personally i'm just a tad insulted that their "plan" to kidnap the leader of their stronger neighbor (not even going into the fact that our collapse just means they get to fight the Rachni) was limited to thinking a handful of small-arms would be equal to the task of not only handling a highly trained military leader who is member of a species notable for its strength in biotics, but also her bodyguards and the fleet hovering nearby who unlike them has actually been involved in space warfare.

There is overconfidence and then there is a lack of tactical insight that would make even a Krogan flinch.
 
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