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Terminus Quest: A CKII Mass Effect Quest

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uju32 said:
3)I dont believe there is any data for you to make any such assertions from.
If you go back and look at Wrath of the Swarm, the 4th Rachni fleet showed up several days after the first three had been committed to Attican Beta. We have no data for comparison one way or the other.
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Fifth, Hades Gamma had two fleets arrive simultaneously.

I'm believe Wrath of the swarm was less than 3 days, with one of the initial fleets dying early in the third update, second phase of battle, and another arriving early in phase three. I attribute it's lateness to poor strategic planning from Rachni overconfidence do to lack of awareness of the shift in naval warfare to barriers being "Fatal to lack". Perhaps I'm wrong, but Mira maintaining wakefulness for more than 3 days seems iffy.
 
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Randino Treviani said:
Fifth, Hades Gamma had two fleets arrive simultaneously.

I'm believe Wrath of the swarm was less than 3 days, with one of the initial fleets dying early in the third update, second phase of battle, and another arriving early in phase three. I attribute it's lateness to poor strategic planning from Rachni overconfidence do to lack of awareness of the shift in naval warfare to barriers being "Fatal to lack". Perhaps I'm wrong, but Mira maintaining wakefulness for more than 3 days seems iffy.
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Sixth actually. 2x battle fleets showed up from HG, 1x from MS and 1x from NE.
Then a fifth showed up from MS after we wiped out the 1st MS fleet.
And a sixth from HG after we damaged the fleets there.

Coincidentally, all three of the fleets from HG survived that battle with varying levels of damage.


Wrath of the Swarm lasted more than 3 days but less than a week.
It didnt have anything to do with Rachni lack of awareness of the shift in naval warfare.
Barriers have nothing to do with the timing of ship movements.

The Rachni have been fighting us for 33 years at that point. And the salarians/asari for longer.
Their local commanding Queen during Wrath had Martial 20, which is more than everyone in Virmire besides Mordin, Toral and Molly herself. Credit them some competence.
 
uju32 said:
Wrath of the Swarm lasted more than 3 days but less than a week.
It didnt have anything to do with Rachni lack of awareness of the shift in naval warfare.
Barriers have nothing to do with the timing of ship movements.
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I was talking more that unawareness of the shift left them more confident than they would have been otherwise, which had them planning for reinforcements to arrive later than was advisable as a fundamental part of their strategy. The fact that their rushing fleets in every half hour in Maroon Sea could be evidence that this was a case and they've adjusted relay breaching procedure as a result.
 
Randino Treviani said:
I was talking more that unawareness of the shift left them more confident than they would have been otherwise, which had them planning for reinforcements to arrive later than was advisable as a fundamental part of their strategy. The fact that their rushing fleets in every half hour in Maroon Sea could be evidence that this was a case and they've adjusted relay breaching procedure as a result.
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I dont agree.

They have had the greatest bulk of their military fighting the Citadel, who have had the actual best tech in the known galaxy to date. We are hot shit on the battle field, but we havent been the cutting edge military to date.
I rather doubt that we were the first place where they noticed it, just the final confirmatory piece.


The Maroon Sea operation?
Could be a test of new doctrine, could be opportunistic. I dont think we have sufficient data to call it that way.
Just that there's been no evidence Im aware of that the Rachni have ever made that sort of error on a strategic level.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Apr 16, 2024 at 3:56 PM, finished with 160 posts and 47 votes.
  • [X] Plan Concentration of Force
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. To be blunt, they offer the least to the actual, ongoing fight in Maroon Sea.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. You trust Mordin to buy time if he needs to.
    [X] Plan Extreme Concentration of Force
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system, and Mordin is one of your greats.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. To be blunt, they offer the least to the actual, ongoing fight in Maroon Sea.
    [X] Plan Safety Overkill
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] Yes. You are going to be seriously pressed resolving this yourself, and even then it could get bloody. You want mass.
    ---[X] Ask for a battlefleet to be deployed into Attican Beta to take over defense posts from Mordin Sentra - hopefully, that'd allow to avoid issues with chain of command.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system, and Mordin is one of your greats.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. To be blunt, they offer the least to the actual, ongoing fight in Maroon Sea.
    [X] Plan Mobile Defense
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system, and Mordin is one of your greats.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. It's their AO and you don't know that another assault isn't coming.
    [X] Plan [Concentration of Force]
    [X] Plan Ready Reserve
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. It's not their job, but they're present and can (in part) stand up immediately.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. To be blunt, they offer the least to the actual, ongoing fight in Maroon Sea.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. You trust Mordin to buy time if he needs to.
    [X] Plan String them out
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    ---[X] Both battle fleets are to conduct withdrawal through the Relay to Attican Beta once insertion of raiding fleets is done.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    ---[X] Upon insertion, the fleet is to assume raiding duties.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system, and Mordin is one of your greats.
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[X] Plan Extreme Concentration of Force
[X] Plan Concentration of Force
 
[X] Plan Extreme Concentration of Force
[X] Plan Safety Overkill

Just gonna throw in a second vote since I'm good with either of them winning.
 
Current tally:
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Apr 18, 2024 at 10:39 AM, finished with 168 posts and 51 votes.
  • [X] Plan Concentration of Force
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. To be blunt, they offer the least to the actual, ongoing fight in Maroon Sea.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. You trust Mordin to buy time if he needs to.
    [X] Plan Extreme Concentration of Force
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system, and Mordin is one of your greats.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. To be blunt, they offer the least to the actual, ongoing fight in Maroon Sea.
    [X] Plan Safety Overkill
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] Yes. You are going to be seriously pressed resolving this yourself, and even then it could get bloody. You want mass.
    ---[X] Ask for a battlefleet to be deployed into Attican Beta to take over defense posts from Mordin Sentra - hopefully, that'd allow to avoid issues with chain of command.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system, and Mordin is one of your greats.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. To be blunt, they offer the least to the actual, ongoing fight in Maroon Sea.
    [X] Plan Mobile Defense
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system, and Mordin is one of your greats.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. It's their AO and you don't know that another assault isn't coming.
    [X] Plan Ready Reserve
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    -[X] Who holds Attican Beta? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. It's not their job, but they're present and can (in part) stand up immediately.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. To be blunt, they offer the least to the actual, ongoing fight in Maroon Sea.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. You trust Mordin to buy time if he needs to.
    [X] Plan String them out
    -[X] Inform the Alliance?
    --[X] Yes. They're impacted by this, and you're a formal member now. This is no longer the time to hold back.
    -[X] Call for the Terminus Joint Fleets?
    --[X] No. This isn't the kind of battle they train to fight, and you have yet to thresh out a joint command structure. There are also the obvious political reasons not to call for help on this particular issue.
    -[X] Who reinforces Maroon Sea? Check all that apply.
    --[X] 1st Battle Fleet. You need firepower, you need it now.
    ---[X] Both battle fleets are to conduct withdrawal through the Relay to Attican Beta once insertion of raiding fleets is done.
    --[X] 1st Raiding Fleet. They will (in part) get there fastest.
    ---[X] Upon insertion, the fleet is to assume raiding duties.
    --[X] 2nd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system.
    --[X] 3rd Raiding Fleet. They're not in a frontline system, and Mordin is one of your greats.
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Legionman said:
[X] Plan [Concentration of Force]
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Luminous said:
[X] Plan [Mobile Defense]
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tryrar said:
[X] Plan [Concentration of Force]
[X] Plan [Extreme Concentration of Force]

I don't like the idea of possibly undercommitting to the MS and getting a lot of our ships shot up in essentially a Pyrrhic victory, so these two
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Rivenscryr said:
[X] Plan [Mobile Defense]
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ConfusedCanuck said:
[X] Plan [Mobile Defense]
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LordEdric said:
[X] Plan [Concentration of Force]
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Friends the the Brackets around the names after plan are messing up the vote tally. Please edit them out.
Randino Treviani said:
[X] Plan Mobile Defense

[X] Plan Concentration of Force

[X] Plan Extreme Concentration of Force
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So that your votes match the above versions.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Well, despite my normal cheerful loathing for unreformed ardat-yakshi (Shalaya being an exception)...

Good for them!
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Honestly, atm I´d say that Shalaya is a reformed AY alright - or at least as "reformed" as she can be with our lackluster knowledge of her condition´s whole deal - but that´s partly why we voted for a scientific approach to the whole mess, right?
 
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Oh shit y'all reopened the quest just when I was thinking about it
 
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