Strange Tides

Like a lot of gods in majority of mythologies. In a world where they are very présent toi cant ignore them because toi hate them. Toi have to compose with them.
We might have to bow and scrape to the gods to survive their capricious whims for now, but that won't always be the case. Gods are diminished or killed quite frequently in various mythologies, or simply forgotten.

We'll bide our time and grow. And one day, we'll start committing deicide, with Demeter first on the list. If Hephaestus is helpful and refrains from being an asshat, which is likely considering that he was one of the more relaxed, tolerable gods of his era, we might let him live.
 
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@Goldfish
Sure about your civil action?

I would vote for you wether it's Logging or Palisade, but the Court option sounds a bit like it could give us more actions, which is immensly valuable right now.

As for the gods, they took part in destroying our last city, fuck those guys (and gals).
Huh? My plan does have an action spent on forming a court, along with the Palisade and Military defending the city options.
 
We might have to bow and scrape to the gods to survive their capricious whims for now, but that won't always be the case. Gods are diminished or killed quite frequently in various mythologies, or simply forgotten.

We'll bide our time and grow. And one day, we'll start committing deicide, with Demeter first on the list. If Hephaestus is helpful and refrains from being an asshat, which is likely considering that he was one of the more relaxed, tolerable gods of his era, we might let him live.

Or it will realisticly creat a bigger shit than it resolve. Killing a god isn't without consequences. You want kill the goddess of harvest ? Okay, and when at your return you discover than no more plants grow. So toi will die of starving. Nice job for fixing it hero.

No realy, killing gods sound fun but follow the path of Kratos is less good than what it sound.

And you speak like it's easy to kill gods, toi Forget that they are far stronger than us humans. The simple fact to see the real form of Zeus kill a man.

And even if we accomplish this feat, i don't think that other gods will appreciate. Provoke peoples who can cause tsunamis, earthquakes, thunders and peast don't sound good. It's seem To be a realy unbalance fight. For us.
 
Or it will realisticly creat a bigger shit than it resolve. Killing a god isn't without consequences. You want kill the goddess of harvest ? Okay, and when at your return you discover than no more plants grow. So toi will die of starving. Nice job for fixing it hero.

No realy, killing gods sound fun but follow the path of Kratos is less good than what it sound.

And you speak like it's easy to kill gods, toi Forget that they are far stronger than us humans. The simple fact to see the real form of Zeus kill a man.

And even if we accomplish this feat, i don't think that other gods will appreciate. Provoke peoples who can cause tsunamis, earthquakes, thunders and peast don't sound good. It's seem To be a realy unbalance fight. For us.
You keep on planning to worship the gods and I'll look toward the future, perhaps thousands of years from now, since this is a CIV quest, when our options for anti-deity warfare are better than arrows and spears.
 
You keep on planning to worship the gods and I'll look toward the future, perhaps thousands of years from now, since this is a CIV quest, when our options for anti-deity warfare are better than arrows and spears.

I look realisticaly i don't think that you can just killing gods by the power of science. Gods rest gods, and i doubt that they will not evolve with years with us. And even the calamities that they can send on us rest effiicient on all civilisations in all ages. Tsunamis, tornadoes and diseases are always fear by modern peoples, even with advance of technology.
 
We'll see how High-Fantasy or High-Tech we get.

Both our QMs and Goldfish come here from a quest where killing gods is definitly possible, so you shouldn't rule it out.
 
Vote count.

It looks like we have a tie.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 28, 2018 at 9:16 AM, finished with 308 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Plan "Not dying in winter"
    -[X] [Construction] Woodcutting Camps
    -[X] [Military] Stay at home to defend Hyphyria in case of attack.
    -[X] [Isidoros] Organize the cults. Even though no proper temple has been built yet, it is well past time to resume proper worship, lest the gods grow angry for this slight.
    [X] [Construction] Temple of Hephaestus
    [X] [Military] Try to explore some more. (Pick up to 2 options. Can double down on one option.)
    -[X] The mountains to the east.
    -[X] The northern forests.
    [X] [Isidoros] You need a proper court. As it is, you need to do everything yourself and beside the day being hardly long enough to do so, it means you have no one to delegate tasks to that you are less suited for. Try to find some promising men to aid you.
    [X] Plan "Gods and Kings"
    [X] Plan "Fort Up"
    -[X] [Construction] Palisade
    -[X] [Military] Stay at home to defend Hyphyria in case of attack.
    -[X] [Isidoros] You need a proper court. As it is, you need to do everything yourself and beside the day being hardly long enough to do so, it means you have no one to delegate tasks to that you are less suited for. Try to find some promising men to aid you.
    [X] Plan Order and Material
    -[X] [Construction] Woodcutting Camps
    -[X] [Military] Stay at home to defend Hyphyria in case of attack.
    -[X] [Isidoros] You need a proper court. As it is, you need to do everything yourself and beside the day being hardly long enough to do so, it means you have no one to delegate tasks to that you are less suited for. Try to find some promising men to aid you.

Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 28, 2018 at 9:16 AM, finished with 308 posts and 19 votes.
 
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@DragonParadox, if we go by plan-voting, there isn't one.

Which should be a cautionary tale for me to stop formatting for task-voting.
Adhoc vote count started by Azel on Nov 28, 2018 at 9:20 AM, finished with 309 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] [Construction] Temple of Hephaestus
    [X] [Military] Try to explore some more. (Pick up to 2 options. Can double down on one option.)
    -[X] The mountains to the east.
    -[X] The northern forests.
    [X] [Isidoros] You need a proper court. As it is, you need to do everything yourself and beside the day being hardly long enough to do so, it means you have no one to delegate tasks to that you are less suited for. Try to find some promising men to aid you.
    [X] Plan "Not dying in winter"
    -[X] [Construction] Woodcutting Camps
    -[X] [Military] Stay at home to defend Hyphyria in case of attack.
    -[X] [Isidoros] Organize the cults. Even though no proper temple has been built yet, it is well past time to resume proper worship, lest the gods grow angry for this slight.
    [X] Plan Order and Material
    -[X] [Construction] Woodcutting Camps
    -[X] [Military] Stay at home to defend Hyphyria in case of attack.
    -[X] [Isidoros] You need a proper court. As it is, you need to do everything yourself and beside the day being hardly long enough to do so, it means you have no one to delegate tasks to that you are less suited for. Try to find some promising men to aid you.
    [X] Plan "Fort Up"
    -[X] [Construction] Palisade
    -[X] [Military] Stay at home to defend Hyphyria in case of attack.
    -[X] [Isidoros] You need a proper court. As it is, you need to do everything yourself and beside the day being hardly long enough to do so, it means you have no one to delegate tasks to that you are less suited for. Try to find some promising men to aid you.
    [X] [Construction] Temple of Hephaestus
    [X] Plan Order and Material
    -[X] [Construction] Woodcutting Camps
    -[X] [Military] Stay at home to defend Hyphyria in case of attack.
    -[X] [Isidoros] You need a proper court. As it is, you need to do everything yourself and beside the day being hardly long enough to do so, it means you have no one to delegate tasks to that you are less suited for. Try to find some promising men to aid you.
 
[X] [Construction] Temple of Hephaestus
[X] [Military] Try to explore some more. (Pick up to 2 options. Can double down on one option.)
-[X] The mountains to the east.
-[X] The northern forests.
[X] [Isidoros] You need a proper court. As it is, you need to do everything yourself and beside the day being hardly long enough to do so, it means you have no one to delegate tasks to that you are less suited for. Try to find some promising men to aid you.
 
Settling the Tiber would be... interesting. Building our core territories northwards towards the resource rich Alps would be a good strategy, keeping us even further away from the more capricious Greek Gods so we can mine all that silver for the Colossi... Northern Italy, provided we develop it with good infrastructure (our civ focus, incidentally) will provide more than enough stopping power to build a powerful Bronze Age civ. We can settle Venice to trade with the rest of the Mediterranean, powered by a Florence-Milan-Genoa-Verona axis (or retarded rectangle, ehh whatever you want to call it) to keep the wealth and resources going. We can leave southern Italy to be colonized by other Greek city states, and in a few centuries time they'll be ripe for conquest when we come barreling south. With the whole of Italia under our control we'd be a force to be reckoned with, and perhaps could even pull a Rome and reskin/palette swap our Pantheon into beings more to our liking. Ares -> Mars, Zeus -> Jupiter, that sort of stuff but a bit more drastic.

Could be an alternative to the God Problem. Assuming we have enough pop and great works we could perhaps try to divest Hephaestus from the Greek Pantheon entirely. Turn pseudo-monotheistic with him as the all-father of a new age of men and machines.

Vulcan, God of Human Industry and Progress...

Of course, this all hinges on the view that humans and gods influence each other in a circle, and that one defines the other. I don't think it likely, but If the Gods were indeed all actually here before mankind and cosmology is fixed and not a I-Believe-Therefore-I-Am system then we're screwed. Until that's a confirmed fact though I'll keep posting theories and potential long term plans.

We'll see how High-Fantasy or High-Tech we get.

Both our QMs and Goldfish come here from a quest where killing gods is definitly possible, so you shouldn't rule it out.

Indeed. @DragonParadox has a very open and refreshing approach to Questing. If we put in the effort, forethought, sweat, and tears, there's little that's literally impossible to achieve. Tough as Hell? Sure. But not impossible. I'm not positive on Azel because I've not played under him a lot (with him yes, but few times as my QM), but he's at least sympathetic to the cause, so there's that.
 
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I'm not positive on Azel because I've not played under him a lot (with him yes, but few times as my QM), but he's at least sympathetic to the cause, so there's that.
I'm generally a "you reap what you sow"-guy.

Don't expect a flat no from me on anything that is physically possible to achieve, but consequences will happen.
 
Why plot to kill gods from the onset? Just why? I get the animosity towards Demeter and general displeasure about how gods sometimes treat mortals badly, but why be dead-set on removing gods from power?

I like the mythological setting and do not see reason to start removing one of its most important parts.

Just to confirm, there are several Greek Colonies in Sicily right now right?
No, they will not be there for another four-five centuries.

Edit: QM was faster.
 
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[X] Plan "Not dying in winter"
-[X] [Construction] Woodcutting Camps
-[X] [Military] Stay at home to defend Hyphyria in case of attack.
-[X] [Isidoros] Organize the cults. Even though no proper temple has been built yet, it is well past time to resume proper worship, lest the gods grow angry for this slight.

// No wood no construction. And ignoring the gods sounds unhealthy.
 
They were raging douchebags. Rapists, mass murderers, sadistic megalomaniacs, sociopaths with cosmic power, etc...

You mean like 99% of humanity within games, where there are literally no consequences for them?

Well, our backstory is that they fucked us over, for one point.
We should at the very least get even with Olympus.

nope our backstory is that we got fucked over by the other city states (NPC), who went ahead to pay together tribute to the gods (adventurers) and then promised them all the shinies (loot) if they wreck us hard (kill the enemy mob)

Which they did, cause that's what gods (adventures) do
 
Why plot to kill gods from the onset? Just why? I get the animosity towards Demeter and general displeasure about how gods sometimes treat mortals badly, but why be dead-set on removing gods from power?

I like the mythological setting and do not see reason to start removing one of its most important parts.
You've got your dreams, we've got ours. Gods are for the most part assholes who view humanity as playthings or outright targets, so I certainly don't want them around. Exterminating them outright probably isn't doable, but at least sparking a divine war and getting the ones we hate killed should be possible at some point.
 
You've got your dreams, we've got ours. Gods are for the most part assholes who view humanity as playthings or outright targets, so I certainly don't want them around. Exterminating them outright probably isn't doable, but at least sparking a divine war and getting the ones we hate killed should be possible at some point.
But that won't work by pissing all of them of. You'd need to finagle that by setting up a situation where you can influence some gods, and that won't happen if you antagonize them. At least, not in a survivable manner.
 
But that won't work by pissing all of them of. You'd need to finagle that by setting up a situation where you can influence some gods, and that won't happen if you antagonize them. At least, not in a survivable manner.
I'm sure we'll find something, especially if we run into different pantheons.
 
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