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There's also a very large chance that Wally itself may be fucking with things. The shards may try to get a grasp on the void, only to, like Lisa, get the H̏̂ͬ͏̛̬̲͉e̟̹̟̪̊ͤͤ̈̓Y̤̗̫̣͓̳̥̮ͪ̌̂͊̿̀ ͍̲̼ͯͦͣ̐́ͅK̸͕̺̼̩̮̼̮̉ͮ̂ͣ̿̆ỉ̍̀͐҉̭̖̬͢͞ͅD̥̩̞̜͚͉͊̀̇̾̚͢ͅd̟̼̯͕̺̼̼́ͩ̾̑ͤ̂͛ͬ̚͘O̓̇̈́ͯ̈̓͏̬̺͚̭̼͔͍͝ͅ treatment.
 
Highlord said:
There's also a very large chance that Wally itself may be fucking with things. The shards may try to get a grasp on the void, only to, like Lisa, get the H̏̂ͬ͏̛̬̲͉e̟̹̟̪̊ͤͤ̈̓Y̤̗̫̣͓̳̥̮ͪ̌̂͊̿̀ ͍̲̼ͯͦͣ̐́ͅK̸͕̺̼̩̮̼̮̉ͮ̂ͣ̿̆ỉ̍̀͐҉̭̖̬͢͞ͅD̥̩̞̜͚͉͊̀̇̾̚͢ͅd̟̼̯͕̺̼̼́ͩ̾̑ͤ̂͛ͬ̚͘O̓̇̈́ͯ̈̓͏̬̺͚̭̼͔͍͝ͅ treatment.
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suddenly a girl or a boy starts appearing in random and strange places in your house in the apartment or on a base in another dimension
 
Chaos500 said:
suddenly a girl or a boy starts appearing in random and strange places in your house in the apartment or on a base in another dimension
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I always liked to think that Wally isn't an actual consciousness, but is instead a reflection of the one "infected" with it as the Void is filtering through their mind as well as their body. Especially when you consider the differences between your Wally, who just kinda fucks about on your ship, and the Wally of that poor autistic kid that drove him insane.

Aka everybody has their own Wally.
 
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not immediately responding with pant shitting terror once they realize exactly what they're dealing with reeks of either wormite, or Orokin level arrogance.
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Being able to see something and make predictions about it isn't the same as realising exactly what it is.

In addition, there's a massive difference between a shard spotting something new, and an entity spotting something new. One of Scion's biggest problems is an inability to properly connect with the cast-off shards.
 
Jomasten said:
Man I can't even begin to pity Coil for getting into an escalation party with a Tenno.

His actions throughout the chapter didn't help.

Also, is Coil about to experience Clem? I think he's about to experience Clem.

Still weird that Coil can simulate Ordis. Hopefully he won't be able to do the same to Taylor when she really gets going or I'm calling shenanigans.

Glad to see this back from its summer vacation tho. Take yer time with the next chapter, no pressure. Just glad to see this again.
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I haven't read anywhere in the story so far that says coils power works via simulation. could be one of those actual timeline splitting coils
 
Timeline splitting would be good AND bad for coil, good as he'll be able to perfectly predict without blindspots. Unless canon for this story makes it so he can experience endbringers in the secondary timeline, then no. The bad part would be that Tenno are able to fight Sentients, you know, the things that assimilated and used exotic effect weaponry that was used against them by the orokin, including but not limited to time distortions? Basically Bakuda effects in interplanetary siege cannon form. They can fight against that, so simple timeline splitting would be easy to spot.

Simulation is much more subtle (also fits Eden Entity power sets better) and wouldn't be spotted, but Ordis is probably already has an eye on Coil's base as it IS connected to the global network which we know Ordis has already hacked into.
 
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Usually it takes a very OCP Taylor to cause Coil's powers to bluescreen. I can think of three off the top of my head.
 
The17thImmortal said:
Which ones, just out of curiosity? (Including links, if you have them.)
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"Hive Daughter" by PlateGlassArmor. Tyranid!Taylor, causes problems for all precogs.
"Taylor Varga" by mp3.1415player. Taylor as the Brain of the Varga. Every time Coil tries using his power, it ends in teeth.
"The Little Ship That Could" by JGregory32 (on SB). Shipgirl!Taylor, noted to cause problems for both Contessa and Coil; specifically, any time she appears in a timeline, it crashes. It leads him to ridiculous lengths trying to eliminate her (like the time he sent two X-Ray Laser-equipped drones after her).
 
Found a good interpertation of coils limitation, it fits into canon without breaking SoD at how coil thinks his power works.
Basically goes like this: 1. Coil decides to split timelines
2. Shard creates two simulations of Coil's consciousness and runs them both aware of each other
3. At the termination of one of the timeline simulations the shard runs the actions of the simulated coil in the real world, which includes "realtime" simulated coil, coil is not aware of this happening as he only gets to experience one reality "for real".

So how do blindspots work with coil? When something is different from simulated timeline he gets jerked into his real self (with the memories of his simulated-self(ves?) up to that point) and is incapable of splitting until the disruption stops affecting what coil can sense.
So if Eidolon is in town and coil had a split running before he got there, he'll suddenly get a broken timeline when anything that directly reaches him is different than what was simulated in his "pre chosen" reality. This is how I choose to interpert it as otherwise he would NEVER be able to use his power whenever anyone in the city pauses to look at a picture of scion/eidolon.
 
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ScarletFlames said:
Found a good interpertation of coils limitation, it fits into canon without breaking SoD at how coil thinks his power works.
Basically goes like this: 1. Coil decides to split timelines
2. Shard creates two simulations of Coil's consciousness and runs them both aware of each other
3. At the termination of one of the timeline simulations the shard runs the actions of the simulated coil in the real world, which includes "realtime" simulated coil, coil is not aware of this happening as he only gets to experience one reality "for real".

So how do blindspots work with coil? When something is different from simulated timeline he gets jerked into his real self (with the memories of his simulated-self(ves?) up to that point) and is incapable of splitting until the disruption stops affecting what coil can sense.
So if Eidolon is in town and coil had a split running before he got there, he'll suddenly get a broken timeline when anything that directly reaches him is different than what was simulated in his "pre chosen" reality. This is how I choose to interpert it as otherwise he would NEVER be able to use his power whenever anyone in the city pauses to look at a picture of scion/eidolon.
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Heh, you know this is probably one of those fics where when casually mentioning Eidolon we'd need to clarify if we are taking about the Earth Bet Superhero, or the Origine System Earth Sentient.

I agree with the explanation, though, and probably would have coil with one massive Thinker Headache at the very least
 
rdmcmains said:
"Hive Daughter" by PlateGlassArmor. Tyranid!Taylor, causes problems for all precogs.
"Taylor Varga" by mp3.1415player. Taylor as the Brain of the Varga. Every time Coil tries using his power, it ends in teeth.
"The Little Ship That Could" by JGregory32 (on SB). Shipgirl!Taylor, noted to cause problems for both Contessa and Coil; specifically, any time she appears in a timeline, it crashes. It leads him to ridiculous lengths trying to eliminate her (like the time he sent two X-Ray Laser-equipped drones after her).
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Hm, darn. I'm already linked to all three of those – was hoping at least one might be new for me. Oh well.
 
The17thImmortal said:
Hm, darn. I'm already linked to all three of those – was hoping at least one might be new for me. Oh well.
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Any Endbringer Taylor or Endbringer controlling Taylor story falls into this as well. Obviously.

There's a few Path to Victory Taylor stories out there where he can still simulate her it just doesn't help him in the slightest. Again, for obvious reasons.

DnD stories have the potential for him to run face first into whatever anti scrying spell/feat/ability she might have.

Stopping Thinkers is sort of a common-ish thing in fics. Probably because dealing with precogs is annoying enough without having to write about it.
 
Sleethr said:
His agent can simulate Dragon, and she's an AI. Yes, Ordis isn't an Earth Bet AI and he doesn't have a shard like Dragon has. So, he has no back doors for Coil's agent to access. If it does that...

Coil's BS power will start getting "unreliable" when he has more direct encounters with Tenno. I'm using the theory that Coil's agent can't simulate the Void. As a result, I expect his power to blue screen or become very unpredictable. The more his power witnesses of Tenno using her powers, the better it will be able to simulate them, but I'm thinking that every time she used a new power/warframe, his agent will get an "insufficient data" error. The errors will result in the outcome being different than it was simulated to be or outright crashing the simulation.

At least, that is what I'm thinking...
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Just quickly, how far away is the Orbiter... Orbiting? Presumably it'll throw Coil/Contessa for a loop every time it's further than moon out, but a second question is raised.

How's Contessa/Clairvoyant/Scion/similar large scale Thinkers handling Taylor/the Void? Cause right now I think the Clairvoyant+Doormaker duo/Cauldron is in a bad place.
 
5colouredwalker said:
Just quickly, how far away is the Orbiter... Orbiting? Presumably it'll throw Coil/Contessa for a loop every time it's further than moon out, but a second question is raised.

How's Contessa/Clairvoyant/Scion/similar large scale Thinkers handling Taylor/the Void? Cause right now I think the Clairvoyant+Doormaker duo/Cauldron is in a bad place.
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Mars and yes, it's given their agents fits since they can't "see" her. I thought I had a Contessa/Cauldron POV in here somewhere...

The Golden Idiot doesn't know she exists yet either, but he's an idiot.
 
Thanks for explaining a couple pages ago. Just how good is his power at guessing at Ordis right now? Sure he's an AI but one built on outside tech. Is his power just guessing at what the what he would do an say at this point? Or is it using information gathered via a shard network from Dragon in order to build what it sees as a decent picture of probability?

Still I have to wonder if his power will have the chance to figure out there's a reason you usually don't poke bears or dragons...
 
zerodark9 said:
Thanks for explaining a couple pages ago. Just how good is his power at guessing at Ordis right now? Sure he's an AI but one built on outside tech. Is his power just guessing at what the what he would do an say at this point? Or is it using information gathered via a shard network from Dragon in order to build what it sees as a decent picture of probability?

Still I have to wonder if his power will have the chance to figure out there's a reason you usually don't poke bears or dragons...
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The shards have near unlimited processing power, what they'd do is look at the data they DO have available (observation of what has occured, or post-cog) and then create a simulation of anything that can branch out from that AND branch INTO that in a sort of demented counter-logic processing that isn't used in real life because it's as close as realistically possible to calculate infinity (if you have mind-boggling amounts of resources).
 
Sleethr said:
Mars and yes, it's given their agents fits since they can't "see" her. I thought I had a Contessa/Cauldron POV in here somewhere...

The Golden Idiot doesn't know she exists yet either, but he's an idiot.
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Unless Coil accidentally hot hooked up to a Solar System wide area boost (Possible), he shouldn't be able to see Ordis while the Orbiter is over mars.

I also presume that there's some sort of copy of Taylor's brain/mind running in her suits that Coil's shard can read. Otherwise his Shard wouldn't work on her either.
zerodark9 said:
Thanks for explaining a couple pages ago. Just how good is his power at guessing at Ordis right now? Sure he's an AI but one built on outside tech. Is his power just guessing at what the what he would do an say at this point? Or is it using information gathered via a shard network from Dragon in order to build what it sees as a decent picture of probability?
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Common Fannon is Dragon being a mind upload. And between both Cranial, Breakers/Brutes with reset powers and Case 53s like Weld running human.exe on clearly non standard hardware, brain emulation is childsplay. The Orbiter also approached Earth several times so I'm betting the Shards took a real close look at everyone to make the best predictive models possible... not that that helps since Void coubters Precog.

Edit: The question is how much does it fuck with the super expensive temporal precog that Scion has opposed to simulatory precog.
 
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Wouldn't Ordis have a bit of resistance due to being {blank} originally before becoming ordis whilst still having glitches every so often after all you can't really predict something if you don't know it exists.
 
zerodark9 said:
Thanks for explaining a couple pages ago. Just how good is his power at guessing at Ordis right now? Sure he's an AI but one built on outside tech. Is his power just guessing at what the what he would do an say at this point? Or is it using information gathered via a shard network from Dragon in order to build what it sees as a decent picture of probability?

Still I have to wonder if his power will have the chance to figure out there's a reason you usually don't poke bears or dragons...
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Ordis is a Cephalon, not an AI, there is a difference there. While he took Dragon as a Cephalon, I do think that scene does need some review, it should show him reaching a maybe a tad forced conclusion that Dragon is totes a Cephalon and not a Sentient, because she acts more like a Cephalon than like a Sentient and she isn't obviously killing all Orokin! Thus, not-a-sentient! (nevermind there are no orokin to be killed!)

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Wouldn't Ordis have a bit of resistance due to being {blank} originally before becoming ordis whilst still having glitches every so often after all you can't really predict something if you don't know it exists.
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Well, it would depend on the sort of magic orokin bullshit and its effects, and how the Cephalons are actually made, specially if they do include void bullshittery atop glorious Orokin Magic Science
 
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So glad this is still alive and well. Even though I'm taking a break from WF this fic is still 1 of the more entertaining crossovers of it around
 
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