Space Ninja Summer Camp ( Warframe/Worm )

Orokin tech is absolutely Sufficiently Advanced, it's technically physics, but for almost all practical intents and purposes it might as well be magic.

The exception of course being anything that uses the Void, which is actual, literal, honest to god, straight up magical bullshit. Any Void-related tech is not just Sufficiently Advanced, it is outright Magitech.
 
Because the hospital isn't run by morons, and do have their own lawyers. Lawyers who wouldn't have signed off on the idea if they weren't sure they could sell it in court.

Except they did, so they're confident that a legal battle between Brockton General and New Wave will end in the hospital's victory.
My interpretation of the hospital and/or hospitals allowing a parahuman ( not a licensed MD ) to practice medicine and treat patients is that...

It's Worm and Earth Bet...

There is no way the hospitals would let Amy treat patients unless there was a way to profit from it.

Medical bills are notoriously padded with fees and charges. Like $100 for a pillow, etc...


Taylor has told her Tenno friends about various things from Earth Bet. This one is curious about what happened when she told the about a holiday called April Fools Day. An entire hoilday dedicated to pulling pranks.

What sort of aftereffects hit the Origin System and could we perhaps have a interlude on the matter?
Taylor considered it but realized how wrong things could go with Tenno scale pranks.

She thought about rebooting Easter, but realized the Syndicates beat her to the punch with their hidden medallions.

Thanksgiving, she did reboot because Condroc is like a Turkey, right? I imagine her first few attempts to cook a Condroc didn't turn out well. :)

New Years, what Tenno wouldn't enjoy fireworks and blowing stuff up?

Halloween, yes.
 
The whole hospital taking cash thing seems very much legal.

The hospital is providing Amy with a room, a seated waiting zone, a nurse that takes care of patients, and potentially their office workers are tasked with taking calls for Amy's patients.
The hospital is providing services related to Amy's work. Services that Amy is not paying for.

And somebody has to actually pay for it. Thus the 'consultation fee' that Amy's patients pay (not touching its actual overblown price).
It's something that hits even IRL pro bono organizations.
 
Medical bills are notoriously padded with fees and charges. Like $100 for a pillow, etc...
(not touching its actual overblown price).
So I know that I posted about this in another tread so I will keep this short. I ended up in the hospital twice in my adult life and both times spent about four days each and racked up a bill of over twenty thousand dollars ($20,000) each time. I personally find the over blown price entirely believable.
 
So I know that I posted about this in another tread so I will keep this short. I ended up in the hospital twice in my adult life and both times spent about four days each and racked up a bill of over twenty thousand dollars ($20,000) each time. I personally find the over blown price entirely believable.
There is an "Adam ruins everything" about that
In short if you have insurance you pay the real price, the rest is bloated to make it seem like the insurance is really necesarry. If you don't you pay the real cost and the bloated extra
So it went crazy in both directions the bloating got out of hand and the insurances got more costly and very specific (pay for the operation but not the aftercare, ...)
 
There is an "Adam ruins everything" about that
In short if you have insurance you pay the real price, the rest is bloated to make it seem like the insurance is really necesarry. If you don't you pay the real cost and the bloated extra
So it went crazy in both directions the bloating got out of hand and the insurances got more costly and very specific (pay for the operation but not the aftercare, ...)

In at least some countries, there is also a serious component related to legal requirements on privately funded institutions to provide significant care first and only after determine how - and if - the patient or their heirs, if any, can pay.

Thus, it is legally impossible to legally comply, stay in business, AND only charge those patients who can pay enough to cover their own care plus a moderate profit, because then providing significant care for patients who cannot pay - which cannot legally be turned away at the door - would then drive the hospital out of business.

IF the hospital is required to balance their cash flow so they take in at least as much as they spend, THEN either they need to determine the patient's total ability to pay up front (including insurance, government spending, etc.), OR they have to be able to compensate for patients they have provided care to who cannot or do not pay. Plus the edge cases of people who lose the ability to pay, refuse to pay, etc.

Don't get me wrong - like every other large human enterprise, there's a lot of inefficiency, corruption, greed, and so on. Hospitals and health care often has a lot of regulatory overhead as well, which has a lot of expenses - some of it is truly for patient safety, some of it is self-inflicted by lobbying for barriers to entry to prevent smaller organizations from competing, some of it is inflicted by politics, some of it is out of date or poorly thought out... but it's there, nonetheless, and once in place, it's very difficult to change overall - and no single hospital or hospital system has any real say other than "comply minimally", "comply more than minimally", or "fail to comply".

There are also other layers involved based on regulation, such as being required to pay for large hospital management software systems that are legally compliant and/or regulatorily approved, which both cost enormous amounts (those people want to make money too) and introduce costs all their own in terms of "Nope. You can't do it that way anymore, you have to do it our way. Don't like it? Don't use our software! Oh, wait, it costs tons of money and years of time to change. So, do it our way [which we chose because it's what we happened to code first/it was easy for us]"

Alternately, of course, in some places the hospitals have no requirement to collect fees and may be funded by an outside source, at which time they are resource-limited in a way that may or may not not scale with the amount of resources they use providing care, which gives a different set of financial incentives for greed and corruption, and a different set of options that work long-term within that environment.

tl;df In addition to greed, corruption, and other issues internal to hospitals and hospital systems, there's entire sets of major issues that are either partly or completely outside the hospitals control that still have to be dealt with one way or another, since they don't exist in a vacuum.

So, bringing it back to this story, I think Ordis found the hospitals were charging - coincidentally - exactly the same as they would have if they'd provided ALL the care, which is clearly fraudulent, since they were not providing all the care. Now, they absolutely have the same right to charge for what they actually provided the patient as under any other case, and they have the right to charge for what they provide Amy - nurse assistant, etc., but charging coincidentally the same as for a triple bypass operation they never performed, that's pure greed.
 
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tl;df In addition to greed, corruption, and other issues internal to hospitals and hospital systems, there's entire sets of major issues that are either partly or completely outside the hospitals control that still have to be dealt with one way or another, since they don't exist in a vacuum.
In addition to all this, in the US at least hospital charges are geared to large insurance companies. What this means is that it's not what the hospital actually expects to get paid, it's their first offer when negotiating with the insurance company, which is 50%+ higher than what they need in order to leave room for negotiations.
It is possible to negotiate the fees down even if you are paying for your self and not a ,large insurance company, but that's very difficult and most people wouldn't know how even if they realized it was possible so end up paying the deliberately inflated prices the hospital needs to ask for.

So, bringing it back to this story, I think Ordis found the hospitals were charging - coincidentally - exactly the same as they would have if they'd provided ALL the care, which is clearly fraudulent, since they were not providing all the care. Now, they absolutely have the same right to charge for what they actually provided the patient as under any other case, and they have the right to charge for what they provide Amy - nurse assistant, etc., but charging coincidentally the same as for a triple bypass operation they never performed, that's pure greed.
It's illegal for a number of other reasons as well:
1)It's illegal to employ teenagers without paying them for their work. Given Amy didn't know about this scheme she wasn't getting paid.
2)It's illegal to employ unlicensed people in the medical profession (Amy wouldn't need a full doctor's license to use her power, just a 1 week or something course to make sure she knows how to act in a hospital and understands HIPAA - which she clearly does not).
3)Minors working have the hours they can fork very limited, both in number(which despite the fanon Amy probably doesn't exceed), and in time of day they're allowed to work (which Amy very obviously violates).
4)There are a few things volunteers at a hospital are allowed to do, but medical care needs to be provided by an employee, who is covered by the hospital insurance.
 
It's illegal for a number of other reasons as well:
And it all would be good if it wasn't for the fact that Amy wasn't 'working' there, but instead providing her 'parahuman services' to people for free. In a volunteer fashion.
IIRC Worm law prevents parahumans from using their power's in work not related to dealing with other parahumans.

So Amy couldn't have been getting paid for her services anyway, even if it wasn't a free service on her part.
She was on the other hand, as mentioned before, utilizing personnel and spaces belonging to the hospital. Which the hospital is perfectly legal to charge whatever it desires, as it gets to set its own prices.

You could even say that if someone were to point out that the hospitals books are cooked up, the hospital would then point to Amy as the one who actually performed the equivalents of those operations... which she had no legal right to do... which would in theory make her a criminal.
She's 15 at that point? So juvenile or Wards.
 

Err... Worm primarily diverged in the early 80's when Scion appeared, and actually diverged on or before the founding/naming of Brockton Bay.

I'm quite certain that a specific act like the Healthcare Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 is simply not a thing in Worm United States - Earth Bet had far, far bigger things to worry about by then.

I'd also say Panacea isn't practicing medicine, she's providing parahuman healing under some completely unknown (up to the author) set of Earth Bet U.S.A. laws.
 
And it all would be good if it wasn't for the fact that Amy wasn't 'working' there, but instead providing her 'parahuman services' to people for free. In a volunteer fashion.
You seem to have stopped reading too soon. Please read my entire post, especially reason 4.
IIRC Worm law prevents parahumans from using their power's in work not related to dealing with other parahumans.
nope. Worm has laws limiting where and how they can form companies, exactt details are unknown but I'll note that in RL there are alwas limiting your ability to form companies so the laws on parahumans could be perfectly reasonable, or severely discriminatory, we don't know.

I'm quite certain that a specific act like the Healthcare Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 is simply not a thing in Worm United States - Earth Bet had far, far bigger things to worry about by then.
Point. For some reason I thought it was a lot earlier.
 
So enough of the medical law talk.
What kind of direct combat frames won't give the PRT a heart attack?
So far we've only seen Taylor use Valkyr, and that one was hilariously underestimated.
 
So enough of the medical law talk.
What kind of direct combat frames won't give the PRT a heart attack?
So far we've only seen Taylor use Valkyr, and that one was hilariously underestimated.
Quite a few of those that Taylor has. The problem are the weapons and the mods.
The heart-attack ones are Nidus, that she does not have, Nyx (Master), Octavia (depending on Canary's trial), Nekros (Watch the trailer, not the gameplay), Saryn (Duh), Banshee (S9), and Nova, out of being Nuclear. Maybe Inaros?
The others are just dangerous, but there are Capes with more dangerous powers.
Now, if Taylor had Wukong for infiltration...no airway would be safe.
But the Heimlinth system is not yet discovered, and few frames have sheer raw power to pose a danger to the protectorate with their mere existence
 
What kind of direct combat frames won't give the PRT a heart attack?
I think almost all the frames are gonna cause a conniption one way or another. I'm listing the frames that I think the PRT are not gonna have trouble over below. Spoilered for length. List is personal opinion.
  • Baruuk: disabling weaponry and drawing attacks to himself would likely be seen as a very good thing. Plus, his signature ability is "nonlethal" (since he only punches; Tenno know otherwise though)
  • Equinox: Night Form's Sleep is a very strong nonlethal takedown option that the PRT will definitely want to have.
  • Excalibur: Radial Blind is another effective nonlethal takedown option. And you can always restrict Slash Dash as a movement ability, like Valkyr's Ripline or Rhino's Charge.
  • Frost: Snow Globe as a very strong defence. Especially if/when the PRT finds out that it can be layered multiple times, making it an essentially impenetrable defence. Although Frost's other abilities, active and passive, could put that into question, but as long as he sticks to defence he'll remain unquestioned.
  • Gara: shares most of Frost's points, although with two very glaring "drawbacks" - one, she's the worst possible matchup against Shatterbird. Two, anyone caught inside her Mass Vitrify gets part of their health and armour leached to be used to support/buff up her glass walls. Both points the PRT are probably going to be against for her deployment on the field.
  • Gauss: he'll probably be put on the same role as Velocity.
  • Hildryn: granting (over)shields to ally units can only be seen as a net positive. Plus the fact that her Aegis Storm lifts and suspends enemies in mid-air for easy apprehension.
  • Ivara: sneaky stealthy espionage and nonlethal takedowns. What's not to like?
  • Khora: I'm personally on the fence about her, mainly because of the dominatrix feel. Although her Ensnare provides a good restraint option, and Venari can provide immediate healing to the lowest-HP member in the squad.
  • Limbo: banishing enemies to the Rift Plane could be seen as a nonlethal option. The PRT is probably going to think Clockblocker 2.0 with him.
  • Loki: stealthy disarming? Plus holographic decoys? And the ability to swap places with any unit, allied or enemy? He's going to be loved. If he wasn't trolling.
  • Mag: the ability to magnetically lock down zones is probably going to be seen as a positive. Could be seen as a counter to Kaiser.
  • Mesa: even simply restricting to Shatter Shield and Shooting Gallery, Mesa can be seen as an effective support. When she pulls out the Regulators, though...
  • Nova: her Wormholes can serve as an alternative to Air Vista. Plus her Null Stars' damage reduction make her a viable option for personnel retrieval during active combat scenarios
  • Octavia: she's a well-rounded combat/support unit. As long as the PRT can stand tge silliness of doing things along to whatever beat she's playing.
  • Protea: she'll shine in longer engagements - Dispensary provides unpowered allied units with ammunition and health packs, while Grenade Fan's Shield Satellites provide another layer of defence.
  • Rhino: his entire kit will provide him the ultimate jock stereotype flexing against enemies. Charge in, flex with Iron Skin, and Stomp if things get a little dicey, providing ample time to either recast Iron Skin or yeet the hell out.
  • Titania: nearly impossible to hit when in Razorwing, and comes equipped with her own flight squad of Razorflies and personal twin guns. Plus, the faerie aesthetic screams "PR friendly".
  • Vauban: similar point as Protea, but will be more combat focused instead of support focused: traps can be powered down to nonlethal levels.
  • Volt: his shield is duration based, so simply mod him for low ability strength and high duration so that his Shock and Discharge are powered down to nonlethal levels, and his Electric Shield can remain active long enough for allied units to take refuge behind.
  • Wisp: probably her Motes and Breach Surge will be most used in her kit. Sol Gate remains as a last-ditch, fuck-off option.
  • Wukong: the Iron Staff implies nonlethal, but does scream Asian. Something that the ABB will definitely latch onto.
  • Zephyr: relatively safe option, with the bird aesthetic.
But the Heimlinth system is not yet discovered, and few frames have sheer raw power to pose a danger to the protectorate with their mere existence
Taylor definitely doesn't know about the Helminth System, due to her own personal timeline. Depending on how the author wants to play it, Helminthed frames may or may not be an option.
 
You seem to have stopped reading too soon. Please read my entire post, especially reason 4.
Nah, I have read the whole thing. Point 4 is only applicable if you want it to and have an ass protector for legal reasons. Still relies heavily on local or even wider national laws.
In most cases a volunteer is cleared to perform work, including operations so long as he has the credentials or someone vouches for him having such, or experience working in the field in the past (even if those credentials were revoked).
This is something that wouldn't exactly fly in a '1st world country', but exceptions have been made (current global situation, other sudden crisis), and I do not consider Worm to be either wealthy, or reasonable with its laws (many of which seem to be somewhat stuck in the past and not reflecting our own laws of the same time period).
 
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List is personal opinion.
Counterarguments for some of those:
-Excalibur: Radial Blind's visual effect has smokes coming out of your victims' eye-sockets. That might be an issue.
-Frost: Frost's snow globes make ice statues out of its victims that are unfortunate enough to die from it.
-Khora: Her whip and Ensnare looks like they're barbed.
-Nova and Titania: Similar problem, they both have pretty, PR-friendly aesthetics as long as they're only pulling the surface of their arsenal.
 
Taylor could always refrain from using any skills, only wield blunt or staff weapons, and rely mostly on corpus prodmen clones and drones.
She'd still be OP... no wait. PRT would flip at the clones :lol:
 
I find it deliciously ironic that two of the more PR-friendly frames, Baruuk and Titania, are capable of eclipsing the S9's kill count in less than a day's work.
 
I agree with the points raised, however I'd like to point out that by modding for low ability strength most of these would be negated. It's the primary reason I pointed out the Snow Globe layering, etc. And the barbed wire appearance played another factor as to why I wasn't fully on board with Khora, although one could (and have, in person) argued that Ensnare's, uh, vines could be played off as merely physical "accents", especially if you look at Khora while having Venari on Attack or Heal modes.
I find it deliciously ironic that two of the more PR-friendly frames, Baruuk and Titania, are capable of eclipsing the S9's kill count in less than a day's work.
Jack Slash vs Baruuk?
The Insidious Master against The Reluctant Monk, The Pacifist Warrior, The Man-Bun Guru?
I'd pick Baruuk every time.
 
Are there any Warframes that aren't capable of eclipsing the S9's kill count in less than a day's work?
Not Really, they are 7-8 foot tall regenerative Bio-weapons with biometal flesh that requires weapons capable of carving through a modern tank's armor to so much as penetrate, energy shields capable of tanking low-grade nuclear blasts, strong enough to rip what the devs referred to as a 2-ton block of circuitry and armor out of a rampaging genocidal giant Robo-spider and throw it, and are capable of moving fast enough to deflect bullets with any weapon on hand.
 
I find it deliciously ironic that two of the more PR-friendly frames, Baruuk and Titania, are capable of eclipsing the S9's kill count in less than a day's work.
The Operator is Tenno. They would be capable of eclipsing the S9 kill count with the Golden Maw they possessed in the Mountain Pass (War Within) ...
Slighty derail; who got the Necromech? I have just finished building mine:D
 
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