Hit them in the head with a particularly large book?

Can't hurt Rebecca, David would dodge, and it would probably be Manton's book. He'd notice if it was gone.

Bit too subtle for them if we're being honest.

... it's sad that this is far too true for it to be a joke anymore.

Step 1: Deal with your own issues.

The rest can come later. :V

...

Well if you're going to be sensible about this I don't know why I worry. :V
 
Well if you're going to be sensible about this I don't know why I worry. :V

It's a valid action though, how can you help others with their problems if you haven't managed to fix yours?

Especially when your problem is lack of determination and constant doubts, you will be constantly double guessing yourselft and wondering if you're doing the right thing or not.
 
It's a valid action though, how can you help others with their problems if you haven't managed to fix yours?

Especially when your problem is lack of determination and constant doubts, you will be constantly double guessing yourselft and wondering if you're doing the right thing or not.

I'm not doubting that, but considering the character development coming up due to the last vote, you can start focusing on other things.
 
Considering that David's issues led to millions of deaths, an impending global apocalypse and ultimately his own doom at Scion's hands I would say we need to focus on him. He will take careful, long term care and planning to fix and will always be connected to the shard network that created the endbringers regardless.

Rebecca is likely already changed, shipping butterflies will push her to less isolation and to more self introspection and morality long term. That is provided we demand that of ourselves and lead by example - and don't end up tragically dead.

I've got nothing for Manton.
 
In the meantime, I haven't seen anyone come up with a plan to stop David's mental hangups, or Rebecca's control issues, or Manton's.... well he has a fuck load of problems that I probably need a book to find them all.

If I wanted to drop a one-size-fits-all plan that would have a hope of doing some good, it would be this.

Expand Cauldron. Get some more people in who can second-guess and push back and provide alternate points of view. Get Manton some goddamn lab assistants. Get Doctor Mother a personal secretary. Have an ethics committee and a code of conduct. Put together an actual organization rather than acting like a criminal conspiracy of a handful of deranged individuals.
 
If I wanted to drop a one-size-fits-all plan that would have a hope of doing some good, it would be this.

Expand Cauldron. Get some more people in who can second-guess and push back and provide alternate points of view. Get Manton some goddamn lab assistants. Get Doctor Mother a personal secretary. Have an ethics committee and a code of conduct. Put together an actual organization rather than acting like a criminal conspiracy of a handful of deranged individuals.

... ok then. I honestly never thought about an idea like that.

Not going to lie that's good, like, really good.

This right here might just be the singular greatest idea that someone has put forth in this entire quest.
 
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If I wanted to drop a one-size-fits-all plan that would have a hope of doing some good, it would be this.

Expand Cauldron. Get some more people in who can second-guess and push back and provide alternate points of view. Get Manton some goddamn lab assistants. Get Doctor Mother a personal secretary. Have an ethics committee and a code of conduct. Put together an actual organization rather than acting like a criminal conspiracy of a handful of deranged individuals.
Doubt it would go so smoothly, but it's better than nothing I suppose.
More people around means more perspective and it would help with the whole "deaths and survival is a statistic" when the people in charge have to interact with those statistics every day on a more personal level.
 
More people around means more perspective and it would help with the whole "deaths and survival is a statistic" when the people in charge have to interact with those statistics every day on a more personal level.
Yeah, I don't remember were, but I think I hear one time how many superheroes now days just talk about the people they protect and not spend time talking with them, that can make a big difference.
 
Expanding on the original Cauldron plan of army of C53, we need to remember to give them a general who they will follow. Also "Nemesis" project is dumb and shouldn't even leave the brainstorming stage.
 
If I wanted to drop a one-size-fits-all plan that would have a hope of doing some good, it would be this.

Expand Cauldron. Get some more people in who can second-guess and push back and provide alternate points of view. Get Manton some goddamn lab assistants. Get Doctor Mother a personal secretary. Have an ethics committee and a code of conduct. Put together an actual organization rather than acting like a criminal conspiracy of a handful of deranged individuals.

Probably a touch too extreme (ethics board and all that jazz), but the core idea of expansion is a really good one. The only problem is expansion isn't as easy as it should be since we need to remain mostly secret and the ability to keep something secret is inversely proportional to how many people know it. And, well, Fucking Thinkers can ruin secrets even if everyone can keep things perfectly secret in a conventional sense.
 
Probably a touch too extreme (ethics board and all that jazz), but the core idea of expansion is a really good one. The only problem is expansion isn't as easy as it should be since we need to remain mostly secret and the ability to keep something secret is inversely proportional to how many people know it. And, well, Fucking Thinkers can ruin secrets even if everyone can keep things perfectly secret in a conventional sense.

A quick update on the SE world Lore, most of the reason that Cauldron is a secret is that it was Doctor Mother's idea. Nothing about her idea was Contessa's, she just went along with it. Manton on the other hand is a pariah in the medical community right now, so he took whatever job that allowed him to continue his research.

But continuing on, Doctor Mother's preference was that Cauldron and its workings be secret so they can work without regulation or supervision. Her main reasoning? Knowledge would cause mass panic, and that wouldn't help anyone. She's attempting to keep the core members focused on the end goal, everything else becomes secondary.

This has been, your quick Lore Update.

 
... I feel like I'm missing something here.

Is this a joke? The secret insight on how to destroy Doctor Mother's thought process? I don't know man!
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Sorry on phone, get enough good will in order to implement the changes to coldren, going from semi supervillion laier to an actual organization that will not go off the deep end. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, like couldren trying to prevent the Apocalypse but doing so much grim dark in the process.
 
If I wanted to drop a one-size-fits-all plan that would have a hope of doing some good, it would be this.

Expand Cauldron. Get some more people in who can second-guess and push back and provide alternate points of view. Get Manton some goddamn lab assistants. Get Doctor Mother a personal secretary. Have an ethics committee and a code of conduct. Put together an actual organization rather than acting like a criminal conspiracy of a handful of deranged individuals.
Sounds fine to me, it's certianly an idea to bring up to Doctor Mother.
 
king a discord server in an attempt to streamline that, but I'm ok with making the thread a chatroom so long as it stays focused. (Looking at you @Takoe, looking at you
All of my nope.
Discords reduce thread activity, they segregate the player base as none discorders are working with a smaller amount of info.
Saying the DMs are trying to kill the characters is maybe a little inaccurate. It's more that the DM sets up a world, usually a very dangerous world, and then tries to play absolutely neutral arbitrator and has the world react in whatever way makes the most sense in response to player actions. This means that if the characters stumble across something dangerous beyond their ability to handle the DM won't act to save them even if it means a premature, unsatisfying end to the campaign. It was their fault for not being more careful, or maybe just their bad luck, and the DM isn't there to save players from lack of care or bad luck.

Of course, this also means that if the players inventively come up with some way to achieve massive victory with little risk, the DM will also go along with that. It's not his job to make things more difficult in search of a more satisfying story.

It really comes back to treating the game as a game first and a story something to be applied retroactively to the events of the game. The DM is expected to act like the rules of a board game. If you have bad luck and draw a bunch of bad cards in a board game, there's no rule to let you draw extra cards because it would be 'more interesting' if it's more competitive. Like that.
In the updated release the tomb of horrors doors are now fake adamantine or whatever. What does that tell you about how they liked innovative ideas?
 
Your shitposting also brings with it the chance to bring down the shitposting gods of the outer-chatroom. A powerful and devastating ability that must be monitored at all times.:V

The thread consensus is "Worm is a shit", an opinion I only very occasionally deviate from, so unless I tag them for a joke set-up it'll be fine.
 
The thread consensus is "Worm is a shit", an opinion I only very occasionally deviate from, so unless I tag them for a joke set-up it'll be fine.

Fair enough.

Also, quick note to remember. Alex still has no clue of the full extent of everyone's powers with the exception of Charles. Keep that in mind for later.
 
Ok, not exactly a week, but it's done. The chapter is currently being looked over by a good friend. About two days or less till the update.

And honestly, I can sum up this chapter in ten words.



Hope you guys enjoy.
 
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