- Location
- Somewhere else
[X] You're sorry you pushed her into acting.
Shattered Justice (A Persona Quest)
- Thread starter SeekerofDreams
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This is always a shitty thing to say to someone when they knew the consequences better than you.
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- He/Him/His
[x] - You should probably thank her for dealing with Strega, actually.
- Location
- The Medium
[x] - You should probably thank her for dealing with Strega, actually.
- Location
- Head in the clouds
Alright so this is one of those important votes.
Yes it does and Elizabeth already said that twice - so let's not waste a response. And it is kinda childish and ignorant because it only focuses on the future versus you know the ramifications of the night.
As @Pidl pointed out - Lavenza knew better than Ken in the first place. And Ken did point out other options such as only protecting the very literal civilian that wandered into the mess as well. She made her choice and she is going to abide by it. Especially as denying actions is something that the Velvet Room detests - I think this would qualify as an active insult.
Which leaves two other options.
A. - Basic gratefulness for helping, especially as there is the implied consequences to Lavenza. That we are aware that doing so probably cost her, that she didn't have to do it... Just the power of thanks.
This one is another option.
Lavenza is not serene --- let's take a moment to let that thought settle. Lavenza is not serene. It takes a lot to rattle a Velvet Room Attendant. Just because she's accepted the consequences of her decision doesn't mean she does not regret it. She's not saying it was not her fault - she is very clear that she made her choice and no one else but also that there were other actors in play that lead to the results. The vote is not quite the same as asking if she's alright though almost in the same ballpark.
Hmm - both votes actually deal with the events of the night. Just two different aspects. One is focused upon the consequences and one the cause for the actions. We don't know what the price paid by Lavenza actually is - but we can tell her that she did metaphorically buy something of great value to Ken with said price.
I'm always a worrier so I think I'll go with the worrier option that lets Lavenza state whether she regrets her choice.
[X] ...Does she regret it?
Yes it does and Elizabeth already said that twice - so let's not waste a response. And it is kinda childish and ignorant because it only focuses on the future versus you know the ramifications of the night.
As @Pidl pointed out - Lavenza knew better than Ken in the first place. And Ken did point out other options such as only protecting the very literal civilian that wandered into the mess as well. She made her choice and she is going to abide by it. Especially as denying actions is something that the Velvet Room detests - I think this would qualify as an active insult.
Which leaves two other options.
A. - Basic gratefulness for helping, especially as there is the implied consequences to Lavenza. That we are aware that doing so probably cost her, that she didn't have to do it... Just the power of thanks.
This one is another option.
Lavenza is not serene --- let's take a moment to let that thought settle. Lavenza is not serene. It takes a lot to rattle a Velvet Room Attendant. Just because she's accepted the consequences of her decision doesn't mean she does not regret it. She's not saying it was not her fault - she is very clear that she made her choice and no one else but also that there were other actors in play that lead to the results. The vote is not quite the same as asking if she's alright though almost in the same ballpark.
Hmm - both votes actually deal with the events of the night. Just two different aspects. One is focused upon the consequences and one the cause for the actions. We don't know what the price paid by Lavenza actually is - but we can tell her that she did metaphorically buy something of great value to Ken with said price.
I'm always a worrier so I think I'll go with the worrier option that lets Lavenza state whether she regrets her choice.
[X] ...Does she regret it?
- Location
- world
[X] ...You should probably thank her for dealing with Strega, actually...
- Location
- west
[X] ...You should probably thank her for dealing with Strega, actually...
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[X] ...Does she regret it?
Not in Person
Once Known as The Nobody
- Location
- A place
[X] ...You should probably thank her for dealing with Strega, actually...
SeekerofDreams
Aspiring Farmer
- Location
- Selphia
SeekerofDreams
Aspiring Farmer
- Location
- Selphia
Okay, let's get moving.
We'll just have to see where this goes.
-Vote Closed!-
We'll just have to see where this goes.
The Value of Gratitude
SeekerofDreams
Aspiring Farmer
- Location
- Selphia
"Well... Thank you for helping," You say, figuring you should at least make sure she knows you're grateful for her help. You aren't sure what would have happened if she hadn't come out through that door, but you do know that you probably wouldn't have liked it. "I don't think things would have gone very well if you hadn't shown up."
"I'm sure you could have figured things out on your own, if you had to," She remarks. "But it... was a rather substantial risk."
You think this just might be the closest she's ever come to admitting that she was worried about you.
"Either way, I'm... glad you helped us." You'd never thought a simple expression of gratitude would be enough to get a conversation stuck on a single sentence, and yet here you are.
Lavenza nods, and then her eyes widen. "Oh, and speaking of gratitude..." Out of nowhere, she produces a CD case. "The girl who was with you that night asked me to give this to you, as thanks for assisting her. That is... part of why I've been waiting here so often."
Rise-san... You didn't have to.
Inside the case is a disc with an autograph on it. Well, actually, both the disc and the case are signed- the case with Rise Kujikawa, and the disc with the more simple Risette.
...It comes to mind that you could maybe pay slightly more attention to celebrities than you do now.
"I thought her name sounded a bit familiar," You admit. "Though, I... didn't think it was from that."
"It might not have been," Elizabeth comments. You blink at her. "While she is new to the Dark Hour, that doesn't preclude your meeting in another place and time."
I genuinely can't tell whether she's just talking about the future right now, or if it involves the past, too.
This reminds you of something. A memory you have little to no context for, but which, for some reason, included an older Rise-san. A lot of that memory didn't really make sense at the time, and it still doesn't, but you suppose you shouldn't have been so surprised to see her in the Dark Hour.
Maybe you're just used to the fact that, right now, the people you care about tend to have at least some idea of magic.
"...I'll consider that. Thank you, Elizabeth-san." You'll unpack all the implications of her saying these things later.
(The Social Link between Ken and Elizabeth has ranked up to 5!)
Given how she launches immediately into a line of thought that you think involves a startling number of ice cream flavors, you guess she doesn't feel like talking about that sort of stuff, either.
"A Resolution?" You aren't sure you've heard your therapist sound quite so excited before, but then, it's not like you've done a lot of talking with her about good things. "You... have a new Persona?"
"Well, I'm not sure new's the right word for it..." It's hard to explain, without mentioning the time travel, and this is probably not the best time to bring up the time travel. You're not entirely sure that a good time even exists, that's why you tend not to tell people! "But... that's right. He's called Kala-Nemi." The words fall from your tongue as though you've been saying them for your whole life.
She gives you a careful, silent look, before nodding. "It suits you." These words are more relieving to you than you'd expected. "I suppose your friends must be happy to hear about it."
"Actually, I... haven't told any of them yet." The Navigators might have guessed, given that being able to identify someone's Persona is part of their powers, but you've never said anything about that outright. "There just... it hasn't seemed like the right time." You have a lot of trouble with that kind of thing.
"...I see." You can't tell if she's disappointed with you or not. "You don't have to tell me all of what you realized. A Resolution can be... a very personal thing. But if there's anything you're willing to share..."
Is there anything you're willing to share?
[ ] Talk about how Strega was entirely at your mercy.
[ ] Talk about the role Lavenza played in all of this.
[ ] Talk about how right everything feels now.
[ ] Talk about how much stronger you've gotten.
[ ] Wonder out loud how this didn't happen sooner.
[ ] ...Thinking about it, there's nothing you feel the need to share.
"I'm sure you could have figured things out on your own, if you had to," She remarks. "But it... was a rather substantial risk."
You think this just might be the closest she's ever come to admitting that she was worried about you.
"Either way, I'm... glad you helped us." You'd never thought a simple expression of gratitude would be enough to get a conversation stuck on a single sentence, and yet here you are.
Lavenza nods, and then her eyes widen. "Oh, and speaking of gratitude..." Out of nowhere, she produces a CD case. "The girl who was with you that night asked me to give this to you, as thanks for assisting her. That is... part of why I've been waiting here so often."
Rise-san... You didn't have to.
Inside the case is a disc with an autograph on it. Well, actually, both the disc and the case are signed- the case with Rise Kujikawa, and the disc with the more simple Risette.
...It comes to mind that you could maybe pay slightly more attention to celebrities than you do now.
"I thought her name sounded a bit familiar," You admit. "Though, I... didn't think it was from that."
"It might not have been," Elizabeth comments. You blink at her. "While she is new to the Dark Hour, that doesn't preclude your meeting in another place and time."
I genuinely can't tell whether she's just talking about the future right now, or if it involves the past, too.
This reminds you of something. A memory you have little to no context for, but which, for some reason, included an older Rise-san. A lot of that memory didn't really make sense at the time, and it still doesn't, but you suppose you shouldn't have been so surprised to see her in the Dark Hour.
Maybe you're just used to the fact that, right now, the people you care about tend to have at least some idea of magic.
"...I'll consider that. Thank you, Elizabeth-san." You'll unpack all the implications of her saying these things later.
(The Social Link between Ken and Elizabeth has ranked up to 5!)
Given how she launches immediately into a line of thought that you think involves a startling number of ice cream flavors, you guess she doesn't feel like talking about that sort of stuff, either.
"A Resolution?" You aren't sure you've heard your therapist sound quite so excited before, but then, it's not like you've done a lot of talking with her about good things. "You... have a new Persona?"
"Well, I'm not sure new's the right word for it..." It's hard to explain, without mentioning the time travel, and this is probably not the best time to bring up the time travel. You're not entirely sure that a good time even exists, that's why you tend not to tell people! "But... that's right. He's called Kala-Nemi." The words fall from your tongue as though you've been saying them for your whole life.
She gives you a careful, silent look, before nodding. "It suits you." These words are more relieving to you than you'd expected. "I suppose your friends must be happy to hear about it."
"Actually, I... haven't told any of them yet." The Navigators might have guessed, given that being able to identify someone's Persona is part of their powers, but you've never said anything about that outright. "There just... it hasn't seemed like the right time." You have a lot of trouble with that kind of thing.
"...I see." You can't tell if she's disappointed with you or not. "You don't have to tell me all of what you realized. A Resolution can be... a very personal thing. But if there's anything you're willing to share..."
Is there anything you're willing to share?
[ ] Talk about how Strega was entirely at your mercy.
[ ] Talk about the role Lavenza played in all of this.
[ ] Talk about how right everything feels now.
[ ] Talk about how much stronger you've gotten.
[ ] Wonder out loud how this didn't happen sooner.
[ ] ...Thinking about it, there's nothing you feel the need to share.
- Location
- Califoirna
[x] Talk about how Strega was entirely at your mercy.