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Shattered Justice (A Persona Quest)

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[x] Tell Sanada-san and Shinjiro-san about this. She might be more likely to listen to someone that's her own age.

Just because of how much a role reversal this is.
 
[X] Explain why you looked him up to begin with: You sometimes interact with Nemi directly, and there are "photos" representing people close to future-you.
-[X] Mention who the "photo" you heard of Masao Inaba from depicts.
--[X] All in private, of course. Don't want the Nemi Room or Chidori & Junpei on record.

Oh right, this might actually be really important.
 
[x] Tell Sanada-san and Shinjiro-san about this. She might be more likely to listen to someone that's her own age.
 
[X] Explain why you looked him up to begin with: You sometimes interact with Nemi directly, and there are "photos" representing people close to future-you.
-[X] Mention who the "photo" you heard of Masao Inaba from depicts.
--[X] All in private, of course. Don't want the Nemi Room or Chidori & Junpei on record.

Just found and binged this whole thing today, and I'm quite enjoying it. I look forward to seeing where we end up.
 
Seriously guys, lets make it so Mitsuru actually gets her answers instead of, you know, giving her more work to obssess over?
 
DarkKing98 said:
Seriously guys, lets make it so Mitsuru actually gets her answers instead of, you know, giving her more work to obssess over?
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...you know? You are right. I wanted to spend time with Mitsuru to help her avoid overworking, and we aren't going to achive that by providing her more strange information that won't actually be useful (because, seriously, how does mentioning Nemi room help her?). Damn, and I almost fell into the badwagon too.

[x] Tell Sanada-san and Shinjiro-san about this. She might be more likely to listen to someone that's her own age.

Three things. One, if Mitsuru hears from Akihiko (the guy who beats up bears for fun) or Shinjiro (the guy who can be pegged as suicidal by kids) that she needs a break, she will listen. Two, I'm not sure if that was Mark, but Shinji did fight someone from the old cast, right? Three, two heads are better than one, and simply having another opinion can be very useful in investigation. remembers all the times he missed the most simple stuff when playing Escape the room
 
The main reason I wanted to bring it up, is so Mitsuru knows that Mark isn't an actual problem. She's clearly freaking out, thinking she needs to understand him. Plus, telling her about the Nemi Room means we can tell her about other people we know have Persona potential.

That, and establishing just how weird Ken's potential knowledge base is makes it a lot easier for us to explain other "impossible" knowledge or odd questions. Like explaining why we even brought up Ascension, so long ago.
 
Kkutlord said:
The main reason I wanted to bring it up, is so Mitsuru knows that Mark isn't an actual problem. She's clearly freaking out, thinking she needs to understand him. Plus, telling her about the Nemi Room means we can tell her about other people we know have Persona potential.

That, and establishing just how weird Ken's potential knowledge base is makes it a lot easier for us to explain other "impossible" knowledge or odd questions. Like explaining why we even brought up Ascension, so long ago.
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She knows we're from the future, it's all the explanation she needs no matter how odd or impossible the knowledge.
 
Kkutlord said:
The main reason I wanted to bring it up, is so Mitsuru knows that Mark isn't an actual problem. She's clearly freaking out, thinking she needs to understand him. Plus, telling her about the Nemi Room means we can tell her about other people we know have Persona potential.

That, and establishing just how weird Ken's potential knowledge base is makes it a lot easier for us to explain other "impossible" knowledge or odd questions. Like explaining why we even brought up Ascension, so long ago.
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And ya don't think she'd freak out and obssess over the Nemi room? Not to mention tracking down and 'kidnapping', as you seem to be suggesting, Persona Potentials. If she freaks out over one, what do you think her reaction to an entire group would be? Seriously, it's just more and more work you are trying to give her.
 
[x] Tell Sanada-san and Shinjiro-san about this. She might be more likely to listen to someone that's her own age.
 
Hmm... Usually, there aren't anymore votes after this point. Then, where there are ties, Seeker normally asks for someone to break it. So "Tell Sanada & Shinjiro" pretty much win, unless someone else votes for "Explain why [we] really mentioned Mark".

[] Bring up the idea of not needing an Evoker to summon a Persona, and suggest maybe that's how he does it?

I'd prefer we do something that would get Mitsuru to stop wasting her time obsessing over how Mark even is. Even if we get Akihiko and Shinjiro involved, she'll still think Mark is a major priority.

So at least revealing that Free Summoning is a thing would explain why Mark can handle the Dark Hour safely. Personally, I'd prefer revealing the Nemi Room so we encourage Mitsuru to try talking with her own Persona.

That, and being able to tell her about Ryoji once we get the next "Photos" option... Huh, actually, if we tell Mitsuru about the Photos that might convince Nemi to let us interact with the Photos more.
 
Kkutlord said:
Hmm... Usually, there aren't anymore votes after this point. Then, where there are ties, Seeker normally asks for someone to break it. So "Tell Sanada & Shinjiro" pretty much win, unless someone else votes for "Explain why [we] really mentioned Mark".

[] Bring up the idea of not needing an Evoker to summon a Persona, and suggest maybe that's how he does it?

I'd prefer we do something that would get Mitsuru to stop wasting her time obsessing over how Mark even is. Even if we get Akihiko and Shinjiro involved, she'll still think Mark is a major priority.

So at least revealing that Free Summoning is a thing would explain why Mark can handle the Dark Hour safely. Personally, I'd prefer revealing the Nemi Room so we encourage Mitsuru to try talking with her own Persona.

That, and being able to tell her about Ryoji once we get the next "Photos" option... Huh, actually, if we tell Mitsuru about the Photos that might convince Nemi to let us interact with the Photos more.
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I don't even know where to BEGIN with this massive slew of assumptions. All I can say without going into a massive rant, is that please for the love of god remember that our Persona is heavily effected by Lavenza's method of time traveling and what we can do should be considered a complete outlier if not completely impossible for anyone not a Time Traveler.
 
... It isn't like Seeker would clarify things for us until we try. So making assumptions is kind of inescapable? Because either we assume a thing can happen, or that it can't happen. Either way, Seeker won't let us know until we try.

How Nemi acts can be influenced by what happens, pretty much the whole reason he even willingly offered to restore Ken's memories of "The Accident". So telling Mitsuru about the Future Memory Photos should have some effect.

Regarding others poking their Persona Rooms... it hasn't been disproven as a possibility. While yeah, Ken and Morgana are unusual, if anyone could manage then it would be Mitsuru with her telepathic abilities.
 
[X] Tell Sanada-san and Shinjiro-san about this. She might be more likely to listen to someone that's her own age.
 
Kkutlord said:
... It isn't like Seeker would clarify things for us until we try. So making assumptions is kind of inescapable? Because either we assume a thing can happen, or that it can't happen. Either way, Seeker won't let us know until we try.

How Nemi acts can be influenced by what happens, pretty much the whole reason he even willingly offered to restore Ken's memories of "The Accident". So telling Mitsuru about the Future Memory Photos should have some effect.

Regarding others poking their Persona Rooms... it hasn't been disproven as a possibility. While yeah, Ken and Morgana are unusual, if anyone could manage then it would be Mitsuru with her telepathic abilities.
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Nemi was guilt tripped by Saito. Seriously, I don't even get where you're getting the idea of this shit. Especially the idea of telling Mitsuru about the memory photos being anything other than harmful.

Nor is talking about a member of Strega. It'll freak Mitsuru out and have her tell us to not interact with her anymore, admittedly for good reason, but I get the idea people don't want to stop talking with her.
 
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[X] Explain why you looked him up to begin with: You sometimes interact with Nemi directly, and there are "photos" representing people close to future-you.
-[X] Mention who the "photo" you heard of Masao Inaba from depicts.
--[X] All in private, of course. Don't want the Nemi Room or Chidori & Junpei on record.
 
@DarkKing98: Don't know why I'm even bothering, but letting Mitsuru know about the "Future Memory Photos" wouldn't hurt us. Mitsuru is our ally, she isn't going to betray us or go kidnapping people.

I will admit I preferred not mentioning Chidori specifically, but I doubt Ken could pull off good enough half-truth/exact words focusing only on Junpei. Still, the fact Ken's Future Memories has Chidori as a peaceful ally, should result in Mitsuru wondering if Chidori could be reasoned with.

Course, doesn't really matter what I say, as you'll just use even the slightest thing to insist I'm stupid and wrong. I'm not changing my mind about "Talk about Memory Photos", and your vote is already winning.
 
Kkutlord said:
@DarkKing98: Don't know why I'm even bothering, but letting Mitsuru know about the "Future Memory Photos" wouldn't hurt us. Mitsuru is our ally, she isn't going to betray us or go kidnapping people.

I will admit I preferred not mentioning Chidori specifically, but I doubt Ken could pull off good enough half-truth/exact words focusing only on Junpei. Still, the fact Ken's Future Memories has Chidori as a peaceful ally, should result in Mitsuru wondering if Chidori could be reasoned with.

Course, doesn't really matter what I say, as you'll just use even the slightest thing to insist I'm stupid and wrong. I'm not changing my mind about "Talk about Memory Photos", and your vote is already winning.
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It hurts any credibility that we have in relation to future events due to Ken not being able to perfectly recall them. And of course she won't be the one kidnapping people. No, that'll be Ikutsuki. Cuz she will tell him about potential Persona weilders in the city at least.

Also, lets assume for a moment you're right and Mitsuru could talk to her Shadow. What's the point of doing so? She's not an amnesiatic Time Traveler. There's seems to be literally no benefit for her doing so. It's not like she's actually interested in Personas besides using them.
 
Yeah, no, I refuse to keep indulging you. It isn't like you genuinely want to know my reasoning, and Mitsuru hardly trusts Ikutsuki as is. Plus, even if she did try to tell him, she'll have to explain why she knows Junpei and Protagonist-kun have Persona potential.

Yukari is already being brought in, and the only other P3 cast members left are Fuuka & Aigis. Well, them and Koromaru, but why would anyone believe a dog could be powerful like that?
 
Ya know, I wonder how concerned Ken would be if experiencing Elizabeth isn't as shocking for him as it is for everyone else.
 
So, given how little time there is, I would like to remind people: there were others who were against asking about Free Summoning or asking about Sensor Training, but both those options paid off well.

Since Mitsuru already knows about the time-travel thing, Ken's "Future Memory Photos" won't sound that strange. Since he only poked two so far, Protagonist-kun, Chidori, and Junpei are the only people Ken could reveal.

Plus, since he doesn't recognize most of the photos, he could only out Koromaru and Akira currently- both of whom he could reveal anyways as educated guesses.

Thus the remaining P3 cast (Fuuka & Aigis), the P4 cast, and most of the P5 cast couldn't be outed yet anyways. Plus, the P5 cast would be children at this point, and I'm pretty sure Mitsuru would refuse to recruit 7 more children.
 
NMS said:
When did Free Summoning pay off?:confused:
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We asked "Why do we need an Evoker to summon you" to Nemi, who promptly revealed the existence of Free Summoning. Either we learned about Ascension at the same time, or did that next.

Either way, (indirectly) asking about Free Summoning was actually productive. So yes, while I know "two successes" doesn't mean anything about the Photos working, it still shows we should actually consider it instead of just assuming it'll end badly.

Mean, I mainly just wanted to let Mitsuru know she doesn't need to freak out about Mark. Getting Akihiko & Shinjiro involved wouldn't get her to actually stop, merely take a break.
 
Kkutlord said:
We asked "Why do we need an Evoker to summon you" to Nemi, who promptly revealed the existence of Free Summoning. Either we learned about Ascension at the same time, or did that next.

Either way, (indirectly) asking about Free Summoning was actually productive. So yes, while I know "two successes" doesn't mean anything about the Photos working, it still shows we should actually consider it instead of just assuming it'll end badly.

Mean, I mainly just wanted to let Mitsuru know she doesn't need to freak out about Mark. Getting Akihiko & Shinjiro involved wouldn't get her to actually stop, merely take a break.
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Instead she'll, using your own words, freak out about several other things. People chose the Mitsuru option to give her less work, not more. That's the ultimate crux of this situation. Give Mitsuru more work, or let her just keep dealing with the Mark thing, which she'll probably still be dealing with even if we told her about the picture stuff. Because Mitsuru is not the kind of person to leave things unfinished.

Disregard all this you want, but I still feel the need to point out you are just trying to add more work onto Mitsuru rather than less.
 
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