Scientia Weaponizes The Future

Taylor showing "signs" of parahuman powers without the Corona might actually help out Dinah, as they would be more inclined to believe her stories.

You'll have to explain this one to me, both how Taylor is showing "signs" and how that would affect Dinah having a Parahuman power that works in a completely different and much more obvious way.

Rory could even be available as the Wards could be stood down for a week to get therapy and such started to come by and notice some of her actions. Seeing him, suddenly crying, then telling him she saw him fighting Leviathan and dying would pretty much summarize things.

That's not how her power works.
 
Something people may find interesting with regards to Coil; I am doing my best to keep the story in a third person limited POV, so I am avoiding the inclusion anything in the direct narrative that our protagonist doesn't see. (Although I have the benefit of a narrative device that enables her to see quite a bit.)

With regards to Coil, that means not using the usual approach of showing what happens in closed timelines. The protagonist has to deduce what happens in them from his actions in the real timeline.

It leads to a good moment of accidentally terrifying eventually, but that's not for a long time.
 
Those talking about TT and the Undersiders are forgetting that the team was formed in July of 2010. They are already part of Coil's team.
 
I know the author's gonna do what the author's gonna do, so my opinion means very little, but I think coming clean with Carol about having powers (but not having brain tumors) and knowing about certain things would be a good way to start gaining her trust. "She lied to me and I wouldn't have known, but she came clean, and she only lied because of being under surveillance by Coil" would get to Carol a bit, proving that Taylor can be trusted, at least somewhat. And that IS one of Carol's major, major issues.

And telling Carol about some of the stuff she knows, such as Coil, his powers, his infiltration of the local government, and his plans for the future would give Taylor a way to start getting that info to the relevant parties without doing it herself, giving her an extra layer of safety. Because mark my words, Carol will not stand for Coil's crap. It hits ALL of her Goku rage buttons.

This might not be a popular oppinon but from my understanding, the entire point of this debacle is to both solve the winslow problem AND gain enough ressources to get started on the 'tinker cycle' while doing some good as a bonus, trying to play SI saviour premtivaly while at your most vulnerabale is just courting disaster, doing so by giving the slightest hint to taylor's true abilty or by revieling that she has precise knowledge that all but a contessa or tattletale level thinker can obtain approches the too stupid to live territory, the fact that the only justifiction that could be brought to bear at this point to offset all the disatvantages and risks is circular thinking like 'i must do the right thing because it's the right thing to do' just make things worse, don't get me wrong I would like to see taylor beating the major antagonist, but I would like to see it done by utilising inspired inventor to the fullest, not just by going half cocked and only coming out of the other end throught plit armor, that's just my opinion thought.

As always great chapter can't wait for next week.
 
Maybe telling Carol in particular isn't the best of ideas, but Taylor needs help, beyond that of what Danny can give her. She needs someone who has contacts and resources she can't get on her own.

...Hmm. Maybe getting Tattletale herself on board (over the 'net, via her VI as a proxy, to cover her tracks) wouldn't be a bad thing?
 
I'm pretty sure that's going to happen regardless. This is NOT something that can be ignored.
Real life shows otherwise. Often times, when the police/priest/teacher/anyone in positions of authority break the law, they just go work somewhere else doing the same thing they did before and will likely break the law again.

...Hmm. Maybe getting Tattletale herself on board (over the 'net, via her VI as a proxy, to cover her tracks) wouldn't be a bad thing?
Doesn't she like being a criminal? She just doesn't want to be a criminal working under Coil.

Out of curiosity though, what would happen if Taylor just outed Coil and all his schemes publicly and anonymously? Right now, much of the danger the comes from Coil is that everyone thinks he's small time and relatively harmless compared to others at the Bay, so he's able to do things relatively unimpeded. If the Empire knew that he's gathering info to out them and everyone else knew that the Undersiders were his cat's paw, then at the very least, he'd lose the ability to go around as Thomas Calvert and whatever resources he has access to in his civilian guise. The PRT and their Thinkers would also start to actively move to capture him.
 
Real life shows otherwise. Often times, when the police/priest/teacher/anyone in positions of authority break the law, they just go work somewhere else doing the same thing they did before and will likely break the law again.


Doesn't she like being a criminal? She just doesn't want to be a criminal working under Coil.

Out of curiosity though, what would happen if Taylor just outed Coil and all his schemes publicly and anonymously? Right now, much of the danger the comes from Coil is that everyone thinks he's small time and relatively harmless compared to others at the Bay, so he's able to do things relatively unimpeded. If the Empire knew that he's gathering info to out them and everyone else knew that the Undersiders were his cat's paw, then at the very least, he'd lose the ability to go around as Thomas Calvert and whatever resources he has access to in his civilian guise. The PRT and their Thinkers would also start to actively move to capture him.
I'm not sure if I ever mention it explicitly, but the protagonist believes that just unveiling Coil out if the blue would result in him running and setting up shop somewhere else.

Better to get things moving before he is alerted. His power makes him difficult to corner, and he is cautious to a fault.
 
Doesn't she like being a criminal? She just doesn't want to be a criminal working under Coil.
Not exactly. She stole before Coil because she was homeless and needed money - which she stole from people that "deserved it" as she said. And she actually helped some of those homeless and was friends with them due to her absolute hatred of being alone. Overall Lisa had no intention to be a cape at all. Given proper job like a PI agency or something along those lines with good paycheck - you got her on board. As long as there's no "I control everything you do" schtick. If she is even a cape or has the same power in this one.
 
Not exactly. She stole before Coil because she was homeless and needed money - which she stole from people that "deserved it" as she said. And she actually helped some of those homeless and was friends with them due to her absolute hatred of being alone. Overall Lisa had no intention to be a cape at all. Given proper job like a PI agency or something along those lines with good paycheck - you got her on board. As long as there's no "I control everything you do" schtick. If she is even a cape or has the same power in this one.

I mean, even if that's all true that's all still criminal behaviour, including the job.
 
...Hmm. Maybe getting Tattletale herself on board (over the 'net, via her VI as a proxy, to cover her tracks) wouldn't be a bad thing?
any information or contacts that tattletale has Taylor could obtain by investing in skills that a private investigator would have then incorporating them into her VI and upgrading their hardware or by hiring a private investigator or paying an information broker, all would be a lot more discreet and professional than tattletale since their ability to operate hinges upon their reputation for keeping everything they know about their client secret, giving them active incentive to not blurt out what they know.

on the other hand, The benefit of having tattletale (having a flawed inference machine) onboard do not justify dealing with the fact that everything she knows is one tossed timeline away from reaching coil, add to that her tendency to never know when to stop digging (so don't expect that giving her partial information would keep her satisfied) and that she literally (and I mean literally ) can't shut up to spare her own life let alone the life of random stranger to whom she has no attachment, i would argue that she is a much worse option than carol.
 
Not exactly. She stole before Coil because she was homeless and needed money - which she stole from people that "deserved it" as she said. And she actually helped some of those homeless and was friends with them due to her absolute hatred of being alone. Overall Lisa had no intention to be a cape at all. Given proper job like a PI agency or something along those lines with good paycheck - you got her on board. As long as there's no "I control everything you do" schtick. If she is even a cape or has the same power in this one.
not really, she repeatedly drained up to thousands of dollars from multiple bank accounts (which established a pattern that led coil to her), her only justification is that they were rich thus wouldn't notice/care which is untrue on both accounts, she had ample opportunity to join watchdogs or even the elite if she wanted support or to monetize her power for her benefit alone, she was caught by coil while shoplifting in the high-end shop on the Broadwalk, knowing that people got beaten near to death at best or thrown to the freezing water worst, not say that she deserved it but whatever misfortune she encountered, she brought on herself.
 
I mean, even if that's all true that's all still criminal behaviour, including the job.
Oh, I'm not saying she didn't commit crimes - I'm saying she wouldn't be a villain cape. As in, she'd go without a mask and what not, and committing crimes probably was her simply satisfying urges for demonstrating superior intellect (which is actually brought on by a trauma from her parents I think). She shows enough symptoms). If she can be kept away from Coil's hands - (if he has her - it's an AU) she's worth the effort.
 
Oh, I'm not saying she didn't commit crimes - I'm saying she wouldn't be a villain cape. As in, she'd go without a mask and what not, and committing crimes probably was her simply satisfying urges for demonstrating superior intellect (which is actually brought on by a trauma from her parents I think). She shows enough symptoms). If she can be kept away from Coil's hands - (if he has her - it's an AU) she's worth the effort.

Tattletale is an idiot, and against this version of Taylor she would constantly feel the need to prove she's smarter. She isn't. She won't react kindly to that.

In addition, she would give things away to other people. She's not trustworthy at all.
 
Tattletale is an idiot, and against this version of Taylor she would constantly feel the need to prove she's smarter. She isn't. She won't react kindly to that.

In addition, she would give things away to other people. She's not trustworthy at all.
Disagree on every point.
She has shown higher than average intellect multiple times throughout both series (without her powers), her "reacting badly" is up in the air - she admitted several times that some people are smarter than her in canon and had no problems with them.

And she wouldn't give anyone anything if you can make sure you're her ally/one of hers. Mainly keeping her away from Coil in some location. Again - if he has her in the first place. Noticing that she has flaws is one thing - hating her is another.
 
Disagree on every point.
She has shown higher than average intellect multiple times throughout both series (without her powers), her "reacting badly" is up in the air - she admitted several times that some people are smarter than her in canon and had no problems with them.

And she wouldn't give anyone anything if you can make sure you're her ally/one of hers. Mainly keeping her away from Coil in some location. Again - if he has her in the first place. Noticing that she has flaws is one thing - hating her is another.

Tattletale thinks she's smarter than she is, and she does have a tendency to want to prove that she's the smartest person in the room. That's not really up for debate. She might admit some adults are smarter if it's blindingly obvious, but she's not going to accept that another teenage girl is smarter than her.

You misunderstand on my second point. She wouldn't hand over information. I mean that her tendency to gloat means either her words or actions would give something away.

What makes you think I hate her? I am merely pointing out the flaws that make her an inappropriate ally for Taylor.
 
Well, one of the things Tattletale's power would probably feed her would be 'Not a Parahuman. Has powers.' that other fics have used. Which would make Inference Engine all sorts of tingly in fascination. Non-parahuman powers would interest the Shards in search of more [DATA].

And Tattletale, being Tattletale, will either hide that from Coil, because fuck him, by only revealing the first part... because she doesn't want anyone else being netted in onto Coil's web. Hopefully. ...Hopefully?

Looking forward to the butterflies that are coming. It might end up with Taylor forced onto Coil's payroll, or it might end up with her being on Piggot's payroll. Or it might end up with some other direction all together.

Getting the fuck out of Brockton Bay with her dad might be a jolly fine idea though.

Tattletale doesn't have a magic ability to detect powers and parahumans, and there are exceptions to the rule of Corona Pollentias being in the brain.

Has a power -> must be Parahuman is exactly the sort of assumption her power would usually let go unquestioned.

Miss Militia's shard is probably one that would pay unusual attention to Taylor if she ever goes into the manufacture of weaponry, since it taps into her senses to update its catalogue.

I once saw one story that had Armsmaster's lie detector, as a tinkertech device, be inadmissible as evidence, but could be used as a valid method to uncover admissible evidence.
Even if it isn't, Parallel Construction is a thing that the PRT probably does.
You'll have to explain this one to me, both how Taylor is showing "signs" and how that would affect Dinah having a Parahuman power that works in a completely different and much more obvious way.



That's not how her power works.
Especially since Dinah's problem was that she's a kid who no one believes had a power (and it wasn't flashy enough to show), not that they took her seriously enough to get an MRI and didn't see a Corona.
any information or contacts that tattletale has Taylor could obtain by investing in skills that a private investigator would have then incorporating them into her VI and upgrading their hardware or by hiring a private investigator or paying an information broker, all would be a lot more discreet and professional than tattletale since their ability to operate hinges upon their reputation for keeping everything they know about their client secret, giving them active incentive to not blurt out what they know.

on the other hand, The benefit of having tattletale (having a flawed inference machine) onboard do not justify dealing with the fact that everything she knows is one tossed timeline away from reaching coil, add to that her tendency to never know when to stop digging (so don't expect that giving her partial information would keep her satisfied) and that she literally (and I mean literally ) can't shut up to spare her own life let alone the life of random stranger to whom she has no attachment, i would argue that she is a much worse option than carol.

Tattletale's power is much more powerful than a flawed inference machine when she isn't trying to shoehorn it into being a social thinker power. Reliably getting specific info is hard for her, but she can absolutely get info that a Private Investigator or VI will struggle with, like guessing passwords or figuring out the hidden details of a power.

That said, she is a pretty bad option right now.
 
I'm saying she wouldn't be a villain cape.
she was villain cape seeing as she stole thousands of dollars using her powers, restraining herself from going into the cape scene was not because she had any problem with being a villain cape, but simply since her power do not lend themselves to physical confrontations, when she first met the undersiders she wanted to stay at the base and act as support, to which bitch said and i quote "fuck that if you want an equal share you gonna get your hands dirty".

committing crimes probably was her simply satisfying urges for demonstrating superior intellect (which is actually brought on by a trauma from her parents I think). She shows enough symptoms.
it was, which is one more reason for why contacting her is a stupid idea, someone who would cut bridges and put themselves in potentially lethal situations just so they can say 'it was all part of the plan' if they get out of said situation even through sheer dumb luck/plot armor (coil recruitment, lungs attack, Bakuda's attack...) is not someone you want to confide information in especially if said information would get you killed if it got out, the reason for why they have those suicidal tendencies is irrelevant.


She has shown higher than average intellect multiple times throughout both series (without her powers), her "reacting badly" is up in the air - she admitted several times that some people are smarter than her in canon and had no problems with them.
the problem is not her abilities or intellect it's her judgment and decision making skills, at the start of cannon and even, later on, she consistently makes unnecessary enemies and put herself in situations that she could not hope to survive without plot armor, the work you would have to put into both making sure she becomes your ally and stays your ally (because even if you manage to either neutralize coil which would get the attention of cauldron or keep her out of his reach which would get the attention of coil, with her independent streak she might just help once and decide that she repaid her debt), does not justify the assets she brings in the form of her power (which is flawed by her own admission) and her social skills (which Taylor can replicate or hire professionals for)
 
Tattletale's power is much more powerful than a flawed inference machine when she isn't trying to shoehorn it into being a social thinker power. Reliably getting specific info is hard for her, but she can absolutely get info that a Private Investigator or VI will struggle with, like guessing passwords or figuring out the hidden details of a power.

That said, she is a pretty bad option right now.
i know that her power is very powerful since as long as you give it accurate info she can keep making deduction and build on those deductions ad infintum (or until thinker headache), flawed inference machine was just for the comidic value, the problem even with that the effort taylor needs to put in to secure her as an ally isn't worth the reward, the unwanted attention that it would bring and her own tendencies making her a flight risk is just iceing on the cake.
 
Probably thought that because it's late and I shouldn't be reading with a headache. Makes everything seem more aggressive ? Can't properly explain it.

But overall - I see your point. Though I would argue against some of those. As long as Tay doesn't rub her superiority in Lisa's face and asks for her opinion - this trait is easily manageable. And she would want second/third opinion despite her intellect.
As for Lisa's gloating... eh, could be controlled.
Again, apologies if my post seemed in any way aggressive. I should really go get some sleep хД
 
The smart decision would probably be keeping her head down and work towards freeing Dragon and maybe getting her GED and starting a business. With a unchained Dragon most problems in the world could be fixed as long as Simugh doesn't mess things up. Personally I think Earth Bet would probably need to be Purged of parahumans if Ward is considered canon.:whistle: Depending how shards communicate, revealing your plans to a parahuman might mean that the Simurgh knows whats going on.
 
As long as Tay doesn't rub her superiority in Lisa's face
The problem with Tats is that simply being in the same room and coming up with anything substantial that she didn't is "rubbing your superiority in her face" in her perception. TT is a very insecure person at heart - remember that her trigger event was, essentially, weaponized self-loathing - and like many insecure people she covers that up by reflexively overreacting to any challenge to her face.
 
The problem with Tats is that simply being in the same room and coming up with anything substantial that she didn't is "rubbing your superiority in her face" in her perception. TT is a very insecure person at heart - remember that her trigger event was, essentially, weaponized self-loathing - and like many insecure people she covers that up by reflexively overreacting to any challenge to her face.
She's also, it should be noted (because reading Worm fandom we can sometimes easily forget) still a child. Still growing, still maturing. Still deeply imperfect, like we pretty much all are at that age, with some degree of insecurity being practically universal among teens. Lisa's tragic experiences exacerbate it, as does her 'one thing' being a power that makes her seem more insightful, so she's understandably defensive about anything that might threaten that role she's built her identity around. (If she's only good for being smart, and someone else is smarter than her, then what use is she, the mind whispers. It's a lie, of course, but people really do undercut themselves that way until they develop a more complex view of the self.)

Lisa has flaws, but I do think she has the potential to grow beyond at least some of them with time as she grows into adulthood. If she found the right environment. Some would doubtlessly make her worse.
 
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Taylor should probably look up if Coil even has Lisa or Undersiders as a group. After all, who's to say she's in the exact replica of canon. I mean, author or readers might now it, but OC certainly won't.

There are already many instances where things could have gone wrong in case of an inexact replica. For example:

Taylor: "If you need help pushing for improved access to mental health resources for Wards, you could try sounding out the Youth Guard for their support."
Carol: "Youth Guard? I am sorry, Taylor, but what are you talking about?"
 
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