Path of the Immeasurable Swarm [Worm/Cradle]

The other angle to remember, is that for Eithan's plans to go ahead he and his friends / students need time.

Who knows what bullshit Eithan is going to pull out of his arse, but he's going to have the full resources of the Akura to do it.

Of course the other other angle to remember is we're getting closer and closer to the canon appearance of The Reaper and that will 200% have huge impacts on everything.
 
Well, the Akura seem to be a little (a lot) bit fucked, unless QA intervenes directly again, which i assume has some limits and/or consequences for Taylor (if there aren't, she kinda just stomps on everyone in Cradle).

Sesh has a personal grudge against them and they don't really have anyone that could stop him right now. Shen and Northstrider are enemies, Emriss might want to help, but probably not to the degree of coming to fight the dragons personally, same for Miara (not to mention that she's the weakest Monarch around, while Sesh is iirc the strongest). The Eight Man Empire are mercenaries and could easily be bought by Shen or the dragons over the Akura. I guess Charity might be capable of reaching Monarch, but it's unlikely to be a quick/guaranteed thing. Taylor isn't even at Archlord, let alone ready for Monarch, while Mercy and Lindon (the other most likely candidates) are even further away.
I don't think things are quite that simple. Despite Miara being the least experienced I wouldn't call her the weakest. In direct combat Emriss is probably weaker and somtimes certain paths are good counters to others. Miara's path is an excellent counter to Northstriders for example. I would also probably say Northstrider is the strongest at combat in general rather than Sesh especially now with his mind spirit like Dross.

And while Emriss is definitely busy managing the mess the battle made of her lands Miara is still a teenage girl with exactly one friend who is in a lot of trouble right now.

As for the 8 man empire they are mercenaries but they have an agenda. They kind of want all the Monarchs dead or ascended which means they are the most powerful force on Cradle and don't produce hunger madra. The Akura have no monarchs so they might favour them.
 
So Silent is probably going to flee and hope to just outlast taylor. (Either she dies, or ascends. Plus she probably realises that killing him would make the other 2 stronger anyway.)

I Imagine same with the Phoenix..
Honestly, the right way to deal with these assholes is simple. Kill them all in a short time period, it takes a good amount of time for the others to get buffed, more than enough to kill them one by one. Still gotta offthe Monarchs after, though.
 
Honestly, the right way to deal with these assholes is simple. Kill them all in a short time period, it takes a good amount of time for the others to get buffed, more than enough to kill them one by one. Still gotta offthe Monarchs after, though.
Normally they get buffed right away when another one dies, it's just that Penance was a super special weapon.
I don't think things are quite that simple. Despite Miara being the least experienced I wouldn't call her the weakest. In direct combat Emriss is probably weaker and somtimes certain paths are good counters to others. Miara's path is an excellent counter to Northstriders for example. I would also probably say Northstrider is the strongest at combat in general rather than Sesh especially now with his mind spirit like Dross.
Yeah, IIRC according to Will it's heavily matchup dependent, but he said that Miara>Northstrider>8-Man>Miara. Sesh is all around the strongest, but does he have any combat heralds/sages other than Xorrus? The other Dragon Herald is a life/water artist.
Wintersteel said:
"I do not command the dragons."
"Garrylondryth's full attention and a guarantee of behavior from him. You may keep Yushi while he is here, if you like."
The Herald of the green dragons was the right hand of the Dragon King, and rather than destroying human civilization, he preferred to enhance the power of nature. He practiced a Path of water and life, and he had made it his mission to restore the natural world after a clash of great powers.
Despite his generally peaceful temperament, he nursed centuries-old grudges against Akura Fury and Northstrider. Something about a relentless campaign against his family and the death of his children in battle; Eithan wasn't entirely clear on the details.
Though he's still a herald to be fair, so he can probably hit hard regardless.
 
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Going to be interesting to see how bad the dragons come, now. Without a Monarch the Akura are fucked, but … he does have some honor, so perhaps in his twisted way he'll stick to part of the (spirit of the) oath by not coming personally.

I think Taylor is actually probably capable of becoming a Monarch stupidly fast, if she pushes to Archlord. Because she was just fused with an entity that has more raw power than any monarch - any dreadgod - temporarily. But that connection remains significantly open. Understanding flowed one way - From Taylor to Hera - so why can't reinforcement flow the other way? the ability to withstand the strain of taking in power that should be beyond you is an everyday task, to QA.
 
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Of course the other other angle to remember is we're getting closer and closer to the canon appearance of The Reaper and that will 200% have huge impacts on everything.
I'm not sure we're super close. Canon seems to have something like a 2 or 3 year timeskip during Reaper (after the Emperor comes to the Valley and before they return to explore the Labyrinth).

Meanwhile, the Titan only died a few months ago, so we technically might still be in the prologue to Reaper (it took a while for the BFE cloudships to get there after Bloodline, IIRC).

Eithan actually successfully ascending with a team of Monarchs at his back would be pretty satisfying.
 
Malice was hesitating if she should have saved herself or not, but man she had a better end here than in canon and went out as a hero.

I don't think Sseh is going to attack personally, out of respect for Mercy if anything else.
 
Malice was hesitating if she should have saved herself or not, but man she had a better end here than in canon and went out as a hero.

I don't think Sseh is going to attack personally, out of respect for Mercy if anything else.
He definitely will. He might be willing to leave Mercy alive and bound by oaths though. But it wont stretch further than that.
 
Ok so Malice directed her full Will to transporting them away, which broke Shen's spatial lock? If that's what happened, it's a similar situation Adam found himself in, with his spirit and mind already exhausted, yet being forced to send Yerin away instead of focusing on his fight with Heaven's Glory.

If Malice is really dead, it would be an interesting inversion of how things played out in canon since Sesh is still alive. Some interesting Fury developments could happen now and that's pretty hype. Who doesn't love Fury? Actually, assuming Shen hasn't used his Titan artifact he has a good chance of weathering everything with the least damage and claiming Malice's remnant. That would be dark. Mercy and Eithan both get to trauma bond over their family members souls' being enslaved, Huzzah!

Whose authority could possibly exceed mine?
The Mad King's honest reaction:


Like I'd told the Silent King, Khepri was a worse monster than it could ever hope to be, unable to see people as anything more than tools.

While I agree that Khepri has far more potential for destruction simply given scale, let's not go crazy here. The Silent King has that exact same view of people, word for word, bar for bar. In fact, he actively disregards his own life viewing dying as utterly unimportant.

Silent King's legions now that they didn't have the majority of his support, the Monarchs' attacks getting closer and closer to his true position. The army was losing people, but he didn't care about them. He didn't even care about his own life so much. Unlike Emriss, a Dreadgod was truly immortal...The King looked into the empty eyes of the Void Sage and thought that having some more physical power might not be so bad. Next time, when it returned for revenge.

Honestly, the right way to deal with these assholes is simple. Kill them all in a short time period, it takes a good amount of time for the others to get buffed, more than enough to kill them one by one. Still gotta offthe Monarchs after, though.

To clear this up, the reason it's taking them so long to grow in power is because how the fic author decided to use Penance. Had the Titan simply been killed by a monarch in battle, its power would've been redistributed to the other Dreadgods immediately.

"Malice's arrow was already in the air when the Dreadgod breathed its last. Hunger aura erupted from the Weeping Dragon, empowering he last three Dreadgods: the Wandering Titan, the Bleeding Phoenix, and the one she had named herself. The Empty Ghost."
 
Couple things running through my mind but most of those were said already. What hasn't been said already is very significant though.

malice has had Taylor and Mercy running around doing a lot of important work before this point.

Mercy is Mercy and she's spent the past few months (year?) doing what she does best. Running around making friends. She's earned the respect of three of the major remaining factions. 8man 9cloud and tree. While the tree is a bit preoccupied with all 3 dreadgods running loose on her continent. They all are there which means 9cloud doesn't have to worry about a dread god right this instant so can assist. And while it's of lesser importance, and uncertain, Northstrider is still dragon enemy number 1. He may choose to intervene just out of hatred for the dragons.

Taylor on the other hand has been reaching out to every major school, sect, city state, and empire, that answers to the Akura clan. They know she will treat them fairly. They know she is bug fuck terrifying. If she orders everyone to abandon their homes and commit to a gorilla war striking against any dragon they can kill safely? They'll know she's telling them to do it because it's their best chance of survival and there is a good chance the people will listen. Also also also! Taylor has been building emergency shelters. Shelters meant for dreadgod attacks. It's not perfect but if anyone too weak to fight grabs up all the food and water they can carry and bunkers down? It won't be a complete slaughter.

Last big win!!! Shen's forces, both his own and the cults, have all been decimated and are on the wrong damn continent to intervene in whatever comes next and he's blown fortune's doing this much already he might not have anything to contribute to the dragon's attack and his own territory will now be very vulnerable to the Arellius families sabatoge. But wait that bit gets better still because this is only step one for Shen. He still needs to go into the Labyrinth and that adventure takes him months.

This is in no way shape or form a good situation, but if the Akura can rally enough aid to kill the dragon Monarch and then bunker down against the dreadgods if they decide to spread out to different continents… it's not hopeless but it certainly isn't good.

Also and I mean this very seriously Eithan better fucking advance to sage because he owes it to Mercy and Taylor to throw his full effort behind this now. He convinced Taylor to leave a card unplayed before this fight and while it may not have changed the outcome it might have. He owes them. Big time.
 
Also and I mean this very seriously Eithan better fucking advance to sage because he owes it to Mercy and Taylor to throw his full effort behind this now. He convinced Taylor to leave a card unplayed before this fight and while it may not have changed the outcome it might have. He owes them. Big time.
There's an interesting opportunity for a parallel there. Taylor reaching for QA's power due to the threat of the dreadgods despite the fact that it makes her despise herself and feel like a monster. It would be poetic for that to inspire Eithan to reach for the death icon in order to protect innocents in the Akura territory from the dragons, despite the fact that he's trying to distance himself from who he was. After all, it's not about where your power comes from, but how you use it.
 
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I don't think people are appreciating the consequences of what Taylor did. Taylor, an Overlady, manifested the Crown Icon and immediately controlled every sacred artist in her vicinity and a Dreadgod for several seconds. This much is obvious to everyone above certain level. Now imagine you are a Monarch. You just saw someone who is so far bellow you that it would take scuba gear to visit them, usurp the will of a being that is stronger than you. You also know that ones ability to exert their authority increases as they advance. So now you're imaging what a Archlord Taylor could do, what a Monarch Taylor could do. What do you do? Because the balance of power that Monarchs have is gone, Malice is dead, if Taylor advances to Monarch there isn't even a theoretical possibility of you winning, the Dreadgods are irrelevant when there's someone who can make them into her pets. Do you A) bend the knee and hope to come out on top in the new world order or B) kill Taylor while you still can? So the Akura aren't fighting the dragons, they're fighting everyone.
 
It is a good point... But isn't it established that people can tell when your borrowing a authority?

In which case it looks like taylor was Borrowing a authority, or working with it or something. (Especially since it seemed to be so different power-wise from her normal stuff)

Which also leads into questions of whether it was something expensive to do (Or might even be item + tricking silent king into draining some of its power for it) etc.

So for now, I imagine its more like

Dreadgods (+Shen?) (Biggest threat) > Dragons (Slightly less threat, but likely to be issue personally sooner) > Investigate Taylor (Can probably be delayed for awhile, while the 2 bigger more immediate issues are dealt with). With the possibility of that changing if Taylor shows herself to be able to do it, or something similar, again.
If Malice is indeed dead, then her lands and people are no longer under her protection, so the oath is moot. Its that simple.
Yeah, the next comment mentioned that and I replied 2 comments after that comment.
 
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I don't think people are appreciating the consequences of what Taylor did. Taylor, an Overlady, manifested the Crown Icon and immediately controlled every sacred artist in her vicinity and a Dreadgod for several seconds. This much is obvious to everyone above certain level.
Lol, nobody is going to believe Taylor controlled a Dreadgod, even if the few witnesses try to tell them that.

Most everyone was either already gone or completely out of it in one way or another, they are going to sense maybe some incredibly dangerous foreign presence but equating it to Taylor specifically is unlikely. They may think she channeled some equivalent to the Silent King that she had a link to, which is closer to the truth, but they'd just see her as a pawn. Even that's unlikely.
 
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And this is exactly why the Monarchs don't want to advance. Because at this point, the Akura clan and everyone they protect is dead meat unless one of the three can advance to Monarch in the next hour or two. Or unless Taylor and Hera do another full merge... but that nearly destroyed Taylor the first time, and even in full Kephri mode Taylor-Hera might not be powerful enough to take over the Dragon Monarch.
 
If Malice is indeed dead, then her lands and people are no longer under her protection, so the oath is moot. Its that simple.
Ehhh, I'm not clear it's this simple? Soul Oaths are based on understanding and agreement, not on legalistic contract words. "The lands of my mother," "the lands of my clan," "the lands of the Akura," all kind of have subtly different meanings but also have the same basic idea behind them and it shouldn't actually matter than you didn't consult your unseelie lawyer to close all the loopholes.

Of course, Monarchs are so ridiculously powerful that they have all kinds of fuckery to get around that. Presumably, the Dragon King has enough Authority and self-controlled willpower to convince his self and his soul that the oath was intended to be read hyper literally; he's also enough stronger than any remaining Akura that he could still count on a resounding victory even if a partially broken oath damaged his own spirit. I don't think this dragon attack is a plot hole of story flaw per se.

But yeah, in general terms, you can't just "well akshually" yourself out of a soul oath in this setting.
 
... I'm actually going to count that as a good ending for the battle, honestly!

Like, there was going to be a near-guaranteed horribly heartrending tearjerker moment coming up, where Taylor and Mercy come up against the intolerable status quo invented and enforced by, among others, Mercy's mother Malice. That confrontation was never going to end in anything but Mercy having to fight her own mother, probably to the death. It probably would also have done bad things for Taylor's overall character development and journey-of-recovery; Taylor's generally both stable and world-weary enough now that it wouldn't have hit her as hard as it might otherwise, but I still absolutely can't imagine it would have been any fun at all.

Having her go out like this in a heroic sacrifice, as a clear hero, is pretty much the best way this could have ended.


Lol, nobody is going to believe Taylor controlled a Dreadgod, even if the few witnesses try to tell them that.

Most everyone was either already gone or completely out of it in one way or another, they are going to sense maybe some incredibly dangerous foreign presence but equating it to Taylor specifically is unlikely. They may think she channeled some equivalent to the Silent King that she had a link to, which is closer to the truth, but they'd just see her as a pawn. Even that's unlikely.
I dunno. It depends on whether or not Emriss really did flee when Sha Miara did, and whether Shen or Northstrider were still nearby. Even aside from that, the word of a Sage or Herald is plenty good.

Also, if anyone manages to think about it rationally, they'll find it's much less impressive than it might immediately look (though still plenty impressive). Controlling a blood shadow is fundamentally controlling a piece of the Bleeding Phoenix, and doing that is an uncommon but not terribly rare feat in the setting. The Bleeding Phoenix is by nature vulnerable to the sort of "salami-slicing", infectious way Khepri took it over -- to having small chunks of it being sliced off, then used as power and turned against the rest to slice off a larger chunk, repeat until the whole thing is under control. That's a big part of why Khepri was able to get the Phoenix but unable to control the Silent King or the Weeping Dragon -- it's much harder to overwhelm a single monadic will at the tier of a Dreadgod than to swallow up a composite entity Dreadgod piecemeal.

Ehhh, I'm not clear it's this simple? Soul Oaths are based on understanding and agreement, not on legalistic contract words. "The lands of my mother," "the lands of my clan," "the lands of the Akura," all kind of have subtly different meanings but also have the same basic idea behind them and it shouldn't actually matter than you didn't consult your unseelie lawyer to close all the loopholes.

Of course, Monarchs are so ridiculously powerful that they have all kinds of fuckery to get around that. Presumably, the Dragon King has enough Authority and self-controlled willpower to convince his self and his soul that the oath was intended to be read hyper literally; he's also enough stronger than any remaining Akura that he could still count on a resounding victory even if a partially broken oath damaged his own spirit. I don't think this dragon attack is a plot hole of story flaw per se.

But yeah, in general terms, you can't just "well akshually" yourself out of a soul oath in this setting.
I think in this case, Seshethkunaaz can lean on the fact that he's always fundamentally viewed nations as founded on the personal strength of their rulers. He swore an oath not to attack the nation whose right to exist was guaranteed by the strength of their Monarch; if that Monarch ceases to exist then as far as he's concerned the nation also ceases to exist, even if it later ends up being taken over and propped up by someone else.
 
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