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Overlady: Attack of the Minions (Thread II)

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deadcrystal said:
True, yes, but it's also essential they have some visual characteristic that differs from the original so the audience is never confused as to which is which. One which, somehow no-one will notice or comment on. Like always parting their hair on the other side, or having a different dress sense, or the way their eyes sometimes glow red.
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With Tabitha it's easy, actually.

Mirror!Tabitha emotes.
 
Frankly, my absolute favorite take on the subject was done forever ago with the Slayers franchise.

The clones of the protagonists (and there were multiple sets) ended up being friendly, peace-loving hippies, and left the antagonist to get beaten up while they moved off and set up a commune.
 
Jonen C said:
Well, Kirche in temperament.
The rule of mirror universe counterparts is they have to be able to be confused with the non-mirror universe counterpart with a little bit of disguise (usually a change in wardrobe, some light acting, and for the gentlemen a bit of a shave or fake facial hair), and trying to squeeze Kirches temperament into a small, bluenette frame... Her temper probably runs hotter. Which is appropriate, given blue flames are hotter than red ones.
That's also probably how Tabitha managed to sneak up on her - hothead was easily distracted, proving once again that evil prevails because good is dumb.

Mirror universe Tabitha was probably the Blue [Th/Bl]under of Tristain Magic Academy, and (this is just speculation) she probably idolized Karin for killing Nirak, which would be why she'd even try to enter the non-mirrorverse in the first place.
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Eh, that's usually true, but not always true, and probably is one of those things that turns into a killing arrow aimed at anyone who tries to game the Tropes. Sometimes their shared identity is the secret, like Comstock and Booker, and a nightmare surprise like Nova and Hikaru.
 
deadcrystal said:
True, yes, but it's also essential they have some visual characteristic that differs from the original so the audience is never confused as to which is which. One which, somehow no-one will notice or comment on. Like always parting their hair on the other side, or having a different dress sense, or the way their eyes sometimes glow red.
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Evil goatee. Somehow none of the normal-verse people never notice the evil goatee, even when the mirrored hero is female and really shouldn't have facial hair.
 
Depending on when Nirak got offed she either doesn't exist, or she's now stuck running the orphanage she got stuck in when Nirak died and her evil father decided it was time to be somewhere else.

Having to deal with children 24/7 is not unlike dealing with minions. Mirror Louise would be good to the core, but she'd try so hard not to be, and could be very mean. Maybe up to .1 E.

Also, unlike most mirror universe heroes, she'd be hard to backstab, what with keeping all those orphans behind her for protection.
 
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I have no idea why people are bringing up the idea of "precise opposite" characters, or bringing up the idea of "Nirak" or whatever.

What I said was that someone used a mirror to try to pull out an inverted alignment reflection of one of the heroes, and made the mistake of using it on Tabitha. So... uh, mirror-Tabitha looks like the mirror image of Tabitha.
 
EarthScorpion said:
I have no idea why people are bringing up the idea of "precise opposite" characters, or bringing up the idea of "Nirak" or whatever.

What I said was that someone used a mirror to try to pull out an inverted alignment reflection of one of the heroes, and made the mistake of using it on Tabitha. So... uh, mirror-Tabitha looks like the mirror image of Tabitha.
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Some of the blame is on me for misunderstanding the concept of mirror selves, though it does also seem to have spiraled a bit out of control, as such things on forums tend to do.

My bad.
 
There is chance that there will be no difference between Tabitha and mirror-Tabitha.

Normal Tabitha
-born as Good, but mistakenly sent to assassin school that turned her Evil or just made her ignore Good impulses

Mirror Tabitha
-born as Evil, but mistakenly sent to hero school that turned her Go... actually forget it. Her cousin that is king is born Evil and was sent to school for heroes... that failed since he gives orders like
"kill that noble disloyal to me, along with his whole bloodline (in and out of marriage kids, too), set it as suicide that will make him great sinner, denying him proper burial and everyone will remember and speak only worst of him"

More like Tabitha behaves and look same as normal one, but instead of striking from shadow with poisoned dagger in each hand as stereotypical assassin, she suddenly prefers another weapons style and tactics appropriate for heroes.
Mirror one might also be Queen from start of story. Paranoid enough to prevent poisoning of her or her mother, finds out who did it and makes fakes charges to kill responsible one, there was no reason for poisoning in first place or being Evil of course she is ambitious enough to take over the throne.
edit: Evil always finds the way?
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Also Kirsche gets prudish and veeery religious? Her name apparently meaning "church" and with most quoted popes now being Good, she should belong to Evil cult?

Guiche and Montmorency hate each other. Montomorency tries to use potion of lov... poison on him, while Guiche puts poisoned snakes... tropical frogs that excrete poison from skin into her bag as revenge? Might not be much of a change, like boys pulling for ponytail those girls they like... in Evil style. Also, now Guichi counts coins for everything, while Montmorency is just Doing it for evulz?
 
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So... well... I finally managed to read the whole thing up to this point. Now I have this strange feeling (that accounts to something along the lines of "Mooooaaaarrr!") that I need to find another activity to spend time on.
Anyways, my respect for the wonderful work you did so far and will very likely do in future chapters, ES. I really like the characterisation, plot, humour... honestly, I can not even think of anything I do not like about this story.


Asides from that, I got a sense of deja vú once Magda had her first actual appearance (in the malevolent interlude). A six-year-old, blond girl who is a prodigy of her art and talks to her doll... oh, I think she reminds me of Aleph's Alicia. Was that similarity a conincidence?

And on another note, after reading about thirty pages of speculation how Karin would react to finding out about Louise... I wonder whether her father, who is by word of god the brain of this team, would actually be inclined to listen to her first. Granted that his wife does not find out before he does, of course.
 
Naron said:
And on another note, after reading about thirty pages of speculation how Karin would react to finding out about Louise... I wonder whether her father, who is by word of god the brain of this team, would actually be inclined to listen to her first. Granted that his wife does not find out before he does, of course.
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IMO I wouldn't be surprised if Centurion knew exactly what's happening and has been all this time running interference to keep Karin out of the mess.
 
I do wonder how daddy dearest does / would feel about the whole situation now that you've mentioned him as a character that is worth speculating about. Would he think that perhaps that it was foolish or even arrogant of himself to think just because he was the White Sheep of the family that his blood wouldn't be able to produce more Evil, even when he had Karin as his partner?

As disgustingly Sacred as such a thing would likely be, and as blessed as I feel saying it, I now very much would love to see a parental interlude. Even if it came at the loss of a Heroic Interlude, which are getting more and more interesting as the plot progresses.
 
Naron said:
And on another note, after reading about thirty pages of speculation how Karin would react to finding out about Louise... I wonder whether her father, who is by word of god the brain of this team, would actually be inclined to listen to her first. Granted that his wife does not find out before he does, of course.
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Louise: ...and that is why I had to become the Overlady and overthrow the corrupt Council!

Duke Duke: I see... Yes, yes, that is all very reasonable. By the way, would you like to meet your grandmother? I think you may enjoy talking with her. Over a long vacation. I'm sure the duties of an Overlady can be exhausting.
 
The Duke is rather known for loving and being protective of his daughters(which is likely part of the reason at least two of his daughters haven't already been killed by their mother.) I mean this is the guy who in canon threatened civil war if his daughter came to harm at the hands of the queen to the queen's face.
 
You know, considering the whole fairly well established cyclical nature of evil in Tristaine families and the fact that they seem to reinforce each other to overcome their more numerous neighbours you have to wonder... was Karin a plant by a foreign evil/good/grey power to destabilise Tristain's balance? This woman destroyed a lot of pre-established evil stuff and subsumed most of the heroic spotlight in her youth. It's just odd that one woman basically dominates all of the heroic stories for an entire generation.
 
mayordomoGoliat said:
You know, considering the whole fairly well established cyclical nature of evil in Tristaine families and the fact that they seem to reinforce each other to overcome their more numerous neighbours you have to wonder... was Karin a plant by a foreign evil/good/grey power to destabilise Tristain's balance? This woman destroyed a lot of pre-established evil stuff and subsumed most of the heroic spotlight in her youth. It's just odd that one woman basically dominates all of the heroic stories for an entire generation.
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The same thing could be said for 90% of protagonists in stories.
 
mayordomoGoliat said:
You know, considering the whole fairly well established cyclical nature of evil in Tristaine families and the fact that they seem to reinforce each other to overcome their more numerous neighbours you have to wonder... was Karin a plant by a foreign evil/good/grey power to destabilise Tristain's balance? This woman destroyed a lot of pre-established evil stuff and subsumed most of the heroic spotlight in her youth. It's just odd that one woman basically dominates all of the heroic stories for an entire generation.
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I thought that only the Royal Family had that nature. The Vallieres were entirely Evil for generations until the White sheep that was Louise's dad was born and the von Zerbsts were an entirely Good family aside from all the Evil bastards of the current patriarch.
 
Well what do we really know about the 10 percent of Tristain population that are nobles? we got cults running around, the corrupt ruling council and Guiche may the only truly honestly good person in his party that is from Tristain.
 
Alane1 said:
Well what do we really know about the 10 percent of Tristain population that are nobles? we got cults running around, the corrupt ruling council and Guiche may the only truly honestly good person in his party that is from Tristain.
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Monmon hasn't even considered the obvious solution to the arranged marriage problem either, so I'd say she's probably also good and Good. Just kinda greedy.
 
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