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Of Lords and their Legions (A Necron Overlord Quest)

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I wonder how come Jornakh(heir) have so much higher stats compared to Levnekh(MC) when both should have similar training while later is older so should have more experience?

Lonkas said:
Lords will look to his example when attempting to craft similar arrangements for other Triarch verified suitable civilizations.
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Also wonder do our vassalisation of Sirano will cause others to actualy activly look for such species to get them and gain a renovn. What with us starting something of new 'fashion' trend/fad. Do you think some would try to forge a 'prove' that some minor species was verified or try to argue that with longer checking others may be sworn into service? That is if they wont actualy find actual races in similar situation to Sirano. @Lonkas will you be rolling for such thing or did you already decided such?
 
I have no doubt that one of those races will try and pull a Mameluke/Janissary. Not every race had its entire culture defined by the Triarchs.
 
012345 said:
I wonder how come Jornakh(heir) have so much higher stats compared to Levnekh(MC) when both should have similar training while later is older so should have more experience?

will you be rolling for such thing or did you already decided such?
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Honestly, Jornakh has excellent stats because I rolled like a god for him. Sometimes dynasties simply produce an Alexander the great type figure, i used the same method for Levnekh.

There is the possibility that others may find races with similar stories to the Sirano. Though it's quite unlikely.
 
Think we should let Jornakh use the Sirano and try and conquer as much of the nearby worlds and we only step in if he starts getting overwhelmed
 
Thule said:
Think we should let Jornakh use the Sirano and try and conquer as much of the nearby worlds and we only step in if he starts getting overwhelmed
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Agreed. Expansion of the Sirano is key for our Dynasty. Truth to be told, I'm in favor of actually stepping down once Jornakh accrued enough power and influence. We would be trading up statwise and neatly nip in the bud any influence problems of having our heir holding more power then we do.
 
Lonkas said:
Honestly, Jornakh has excellent stats because I rolled like a god for him. Sometimes dynasties simply produce an Alexander the great type figure, i used the same method for Levnekh.
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Would it be possible for us to after century/some great deed make Levnekh retire and let Jornakh rule Dynasty? With his stats and Trait:Ambitious he would be much better ruler after getting some actual Artifice score that he lacks right now(while having higher learning). Levnekh could retire into being an advisor while continuing his studies to be full Cryptek.
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Azurath said:
Truth to be told, I'm in favor of actually stepping down once Jornakh accrued enough power and influence. We would be trading up statwise and neatly nip in the bud any influence problems of having our heir holding more power then we do.
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Wow we posted right next to each other with the same idea.
 
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I've thought this would probably happen ever since I chose to write down Jornakhs stats (there is no reason though for his father to not know them). Willing Abdication has always been rare for the Necronstyr. The endless war never giving the breathing space for a peaceful transition of power.

Levnekh has however been mostly content with what he has always had, independence requiring a less ambitious Lord than most. If he were allowed to keep what he has always felt is his by right, while also not being under a "foreign" dynasty, he may simply give in. I don't believe however that he would ever give up overlordship of "his" capital.

It would likely be a diplomacy roll conducted by Jornakh against his father when and if i feel Jornakh is in position to do that. If failed, I would give you the choice of being on Jornakhs or Levnekhs side of the enshewing civil war.

As to weather Jornakh could be a cryptek. It is possible, but would likely require a lot of investment into learning how. Levnekh had 20 years of study and centuries of idle tinkering to get the very basics right. While Jornakh was trained as a general. (Ironically his worst stat)
 
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Azurath said:
Agreed. Expansion of the Sirano is key for our Dynasty. Truth to be told, I'm in favor of actually stepping down once Jornakh accrued enough power and influence. We would be trading up statwise and neatly nip in the bud any influence problems of having our heir holding more power then we do.
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yea let Jornakh do the Expansion of our Dynasty and the Sirano while we stay at our world and build it up more. also we should have some artifacts made for Jornakh to boost his power
 
Lonkas said:
As to weather Jornakh could be a cryptek. It is possible, but would likely require a lot of investment into learning how. Levnekh had 20 years of study and centuries of idle tinkering to get the very basics right. While Jornakh was trained as a general. (Ironically his worst stat)
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Lonkas said:
Learning - 21 has outstripped his father in the lore and sciences of the Necron race. The depth of his knowledge lets him speak to Nevenoch nearly as an equal in her own field
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With such stats and considering that Levnekh could level up his Artifice in those 20 years I dont think Jornakh also couldnt pick one or two level of it without becoming full Cryptek just like his father. And with how content Levnekh is and Yulenoth's Scholar Lords trait he could easly slip into being Cryptek without seeing it as any kind of disgrace. Instead it allows him to focus on what was always importan for their Dynasty.
 
might as well shake things up on the necron culture and tradition

peaceful power transitions?
constitutional monarchy?
allowing more vassals in equal benefitial relations?

one of the biggest problems of the necrontyr is their throat-cutting politics,so by changing that we can pretty much stabilize necron reign at long term
 
Lonkas said:
I've thought this would probably happen ever since I chose to write down Jornakhs stats (there is no reason though for his father to not know them). Willing Abdication has always been rare for the Necronstyr. The endless war never giving the breathing space for a peaceful transition of power.

Levnekh has however been mostly content with what he has always had, independence requiring a less ambitious Lord than most. If he were allowed to keep what he has always felt is his by right, while also not being under a "foreign" dynasty, he may simply give in. I don't believe however that he would ever give up overlordship of "his" capital.

It would likely be a diplomacy roll conducted by Jornakh against his father when and if i feel Jornakh is in position to do that. If failed, I would give you the choice of being on Jornakhs or Levnekhs side of the enshewing civil war.

As to weather Jornakh could be a cryptek. It is possible, but would likely require a lot of investment into learning how. Levnekh had 20 years of study and centuries of idle tinkering to get the very basics right. While Jornakh was trained as a general. (Ironically his worst stat)
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I could see an informal arrangement of "you go do your thing, I can enjoy nerding it out in the lab for a few decades" happening. Like, not officially abdicating the title, but giving him enough powers that the title is mainly ceremonial.
 
So what can we do with the other Necron dynasty we have meet other the military alliances? like will there be trade or a favor system?
 
veekie said:
I could see an informal arrangement of "you go do your thing, I can enjoy nerding it out in the lab for a few decades" happening. Like, not officially abdicating the title, but giving him enough powers that the title is mainly ceremonial.
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This would be the most palatable idea for Levnekh, where he quietly becomes Jornakhs secondary. However, i would like to emphasize that despite it being the most palatable it is not what he wants, and i feel it would be a betrayal of how Necrons have been presented ever since dynasties were created, to have him personally consider abdication of non ceremonial power. Overlords as presented are near all megalomaniacal to a fault and he is no exception, believing everything within their spheres are theirs to do with as they please. From his perspective, he has ruled successfully for millennia and just now outmaneuvered the greatest Lords in his region of space. He's only now hitting his stride and the traditional reason for abdication (oncoming senility) he believes to be irrelevant to his immortal frame. Again, not saying that such a thing cant be prompted and is completely off the table, but it will almost certainly not be fully voluntary.

As to The Yulenoths Tendency towards techno-sorcery and the level of appeal becoming a full cryptek has. Levnekh, and the Yulenoth before them do not want to become full crypteks. Full crypteks, after all are barred from ruling territory. That said, having access to the skills of crypteks and being known to be friendly with them has their upsides, as you have already discovered. Being forced to become a cryptek full time for a scion of the Yulenoth would be comparable to religious minded Emperors in Byzantium being forced to become monks. They may have the skills and mindset for their new life but they will always long for the days that they held power. The emphasis after all is on the Lords part of Scholar Lords

Finally, As to how Diplomacy can be used. There's in general relatively few thing that dynasties would jointly do either than strictly military, and i would be leaning on you guys creating any hypothetical deals. However an example could be that in exchange for a certain quantity of resources (which will be explained post time skip) you would be able to send a cryptek to construct a certain marvel for that specific dynasty. Likewise if you felt that you did not have a surfeit of capable generals for an upcoming war, you could request a famed martial dynasty eg the Aghrekun send one of theirs in exchange for what they considered fair. Joint infrastructure projects that are useful to both dynasties is also a possibility, such as building a "road" of cleared space between the two dynasties to facilitate easier travel. There are also certain technological specialties which many greater dynasties posses (The Thotk have famously bound radiation to their weapons which sickens all living creatures nearby) which could be traded, though they are cherished extremely highly, Teleportive construction being the main one you possess even if it not possessed exclusively by you.

This is by no means a complete list, and some dynasties will approach you for deals and information themselves. In terms of embassies, The greater the level of embassy would increase the likelihood of them giving you a favorable response as your people whisper endlessly in their ears about your greatness, power and wisdom.
 
the problem with our manpower is that once we give it they can let it reproduce within their borders negating its trade value. At best we could lease our armies rather than doing an outright transfer.
 
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    • It just occurred to me that i never let you provide Jornakhs mandate for the next half century. Therefore, what would you like him to strive toward? Don't get too bogged down in the details as this is a commandment to last the next 50 years but give some direction and a goal which can objectively be achieved.

    For example, "Reclaim the Sirano's lost empire", would be a suitable task, as considering the uplift going on it is not insurmountable, but is likely to still be a significant challenge. So Jornakh would gear his race toward a war of conquest. However it would also be distinct enough from say "catch up to the Necrons technologically" (extremely difficult though technically possible), or "Have the Sirano number ten billion" . I will also veto any commandments which i feel are too ridiculous in the context of a Necron/Triarch influenced society.
     
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    • hmmm what would be a reasonable way for him to not only cut his metaphorically teeth into, but also allow him a chance to grow?

    I suggest more of "Rebuild the Sirano, and begin preparations for the Reconquest of their lost territory." which would allow our boy some leeway on how he gets things going, such as technological, social, and of course infrastructural options to increase his chances of a successful reconquest of the regions. As well as spying the opposition, their forces, their fleet movements, as well as ways to curtail reinforcements and optional ways. Also increase baby-boom most likely, more bodies to throw at the war and of course burn out the orks.
     
    How about this?

    "Reforge Sirano administratively and cultural, to better reflect their new role in the Necron Empire. Focus their society on reproduction and the colonization of worlds. Furthermore, begin the construction of multiple Sirano armies capable of being deployed in support of foreign Necron Dynasties."
     
    Azurath said:
    How about this?

    "Reforge Sirano administratively and cultural, to better reflect their new role in the Necron Empire. Focus their society on reproduction and the colonization of worlds. Furthermore, begin the construction of multiple Sirano armies capable of being deployed in support of foreign Necron Dynasties."
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    I think this is key yeah. The Sirano are an asset, but they have to not be all in one basket first.
     
    Azurath said:
    How about this?

    "Reforge Sirano administratively and cultural, to better reflect their new role in the Necron Empire. Focus their society on reproduction and the colonization of worlds. Furthermore, begin the construction of multiple Sirano armies capable of being deployed in support of foreign Necron Dynasties."
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    While i like this, and i think it works quite well. When would Jonakh have completed the goal? Whats the end point For when Jornakh can turn around and say, "job done, whats next"
     
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