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NieR Automata

Nilay said:
So....

In spoilers, what are the themes of Nier Automata?
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Here's a couple of somewhat short videos that go more in-depth

In a word, Existential Horror. Though it also touches upon themes such as War, Relationships, Drone Warfare, Failure and Work Ethic, and other things I'm probably forgetting.



 
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The greatest thematic keystone of the work is probably dunking on 9S.

Or possibly just the concept that 9S needs to suffer.

One of the two, anyway.
 
Nilay said:
So....

In spoilers, what are the themes of Nier Automata?
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Sexy robot girl and boy try to liberate Earth from Robots created by Aliens so humanity can return to Earth from the Moon.

Themes: Mindfuck straight from the insanity that is Yoko Taro.

Saying more is a spoiler of a lot of things. Saying it is a mindfuck at times is not because Yoko Taro and therefor a given.
 
-Existential nihilism in the face of both purposeful and coincidental obsolescence.
-The struggle for emotional connection while trapped in a perpetual cycle of destruction and rebirth
-grasping for autonomy and independence and agency against the unassailable tide of bounded destiny
-reaching for purpose and meaning when no one can give answers or advice or instruction.
-the nature of war on both sides of is participants.
 
Sir Bill said:
The greatest thematic keystone of the work is probably dunking on 9S.

Or possibly just the concept that 9S needs to suffer.

One of the two, anyway.
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Well, he deserves it, so...

I mean, in a game that's about the fact that people are people, someone who's as much of a nazi as Four should really get dunked on.
 
Renu said:
Well, he deserves it, so...

I mean, in a game that's about the fact that people are people, someone who's as much of a nazi as Four should really get dunked on.
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This is actually not true.

If you look at what 9S does, and with the revelation that 2B is 2E, and assigned to him to kill him dead when he finds out things about the Machine Network and/or YoRHa that should be kept secret (the easiest way to do so being what the Machine Network seems to know), what Nine keeps saying is likely to a defense mechanism, just like 2B's "Emotions are Prohibited" is a defense mechanism. It's clear given how 9S talks during sidequests that he is legitimately interested in machines, as people, and tries to convince himself that they're just machines, and constantly fails because he knows it isn't true. Just like 2B is legitimately interested in and likes 9S, and tries to convince herself that she doesn't, and constantly fails because it's not true.

It's amusing how the fact that 9S and 2B lie to themselves and each other in an attempt to protect themselves from the consequences of the truth echoes YoRHa's explicit purpose as lying to the androids in an attempt to protect them from the truth.
 
MJ12 Commando said:
This is actually not true.

If you look at what 9S does, and with the revelation that 2B is 2E, and assigned to him to kill him dead when he finds out things about the Machine Network and/or YoRHa that should be kept secret (the easiest way to do so being what the Machine Network seems to know), what Nine keeps saying is likely to a defense mechanism, just like 2B's "Emotions are Prohibited" is a defense mechanism. It's clear given how 9S talks during sidequests that he is legitimately interested in machines, as people, and tries to convince himself that they're just machines, and constantly fails because he knows it isn't true. Just like 2B is legitimately interested in and likes 9S, and tries to convince herself that she doesn't, and constantly fails because it's not true.

It's amusing how the fact that 9S and 2B lie to themselves and each other in an attempt to protect themselves from the consequences of the truth echoes YoRHa's explicit purpose as lying to the androids in an attempt to protect them from the truth.
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Yeah, I figured that as a scanner unit, 9S is specifically built to notice patterns and put together loose data. And he has probably noticed that he keeps dieing when he gets too close to the machines. He doesn't know why exactly, of course, but he does know that it keeps happening.

He's even modified himself for melee combat and it's probably because of this pattern of constant, inexplicable, death.
 
MJ12 Commando said:
This is actually not true.

If you look at what 9S does, and with the revelation that 2B is 2E, and assigned to him to kill him dead when he finds out things about the Machine Network and/or YoRHa that should be kept secret (the easiest way to do so being what the Machine Network seems to know), what Nine keeps saying is likely to a defense mechanism, just like 2B's "Emotions are Prohibited" is a defense mechanism. It's clear given how 9S talks during sidequests that he is legitimately interested in machines, as people, and tries to convince himself that they're just machines, and constantly fails because he knows it isn't true. Just like 2B is legitimately interested in and likes 9S, and tries to convince herself that she doesn't, and constantly fails because it's not true.

It's amusing how the fact that 9S and 2B lie to themselves and each other in an attempt to protect themselves from the consequences of the truth echoes YoRHa's explicit purpose as lying to the androids in an attempt to protect them from the truth.
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Well, maybe that's it, but maybe it's because if he isn't killed, he opens a backdoor that kills everyone while trying to learn more about machines, soooooooooooo...

Either he's a nice boy in denial, or he's a curious nazi.

I should replay the game, I don't remember enough details to really argue efficiently. I just remember what he says just after you hacked several bosses, and while it may just be him trying to convince himself, at the time it didn't feel like it to me.

Maybe if his gameplay wasn't so boring, I'd be more inclined to believe he's actually good...
 
Renu said:
Well, maybe that's it, but maybe it's because if he isn't killed, he opens a backdoor that kills everyone while trying to learn more about machines, soooooooooooo...
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He. Didn't. Open. The backdoor. That was built in from the inception of YoRHa to sabotage them when the time came. He only discovered it. I know Fell has an incorrigible hateboner for Nines but I won't let someone else also be this wrong about my son.
 
To be fair, the whole thing was his idea in the beginning because original Nines was an asshole so technically he kind of did
 
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