Mandat de l'impératrice des Cieux - Imperial Princess Troubleshooter Space Opera Quest

The funniest thing about people freaking out about latest "is X a traitor/is X leaking vital information to our enemies?" is that from the perspective of the Empire, Yui is the single most dangerous and likely traitor.
I mean when you think about it, she's got her powerbase in the Navy, with her friends, contacts and oh yes, a fleet built for beating peoples face in...

Maybe disbanding 13th Fleet is also a measure to reduce her coup potential? :thonk:

I mean, as I have said before, ahe's definitely a more attractive prospect than empress compared to Ahri, and if anything happens to Ahri, Yui's next in line.

There's a reason the IRG very obviously put Major Nakahara in place as a liaison officer slash obvious spy...
 
If we (being the players) didn't know Yui was loyal to her cousin and the Empire, we'd be incredibly paranoid about her whole position.
 
*We* as the players obviously know what Yui thinks, Ahri accidentally knows because she's clueless cinnamon roll, but the rest, well....

Junior branches of royal lines have always been among greatest dangers to reigning royals, having legitimate claim to power but being sufficiently far from it perhaps to be resentful. While it may be innocuous to us, Yui's father choosing to have a child before his sister is a giant red flag for the throne, given how feudal politics work. Add to this the fact Yui's career is pretty much the default civil service setting - noble education, obligatory military service and command post...it's pretty obvious she's being groomed to be a ruler. The question is whether being a ruler of whatever territory her family has, or that of the Empire. I wouldn't be surprised if half of apparent annoyance of Sumeragi with us is something akin to "how dare she look down on us for our ambition".

Hell, Yui doesn't even have to actively plot against the Empire. It's sufficient for her father to scheme against the Empress; after all if Ahri suddenly chokes on fish bone, who else to succeed her but Yui?

And this is why, if you're in same position as Ahri, your first order of the day is to order your palace guard to strangle all your aunts, uncles and cousins.
 
To be honest, when I first read the premise of this quest (imperial princess in failing empire, has the option to take control of things herself) I definitely thought we were in for some Crusader Kings-style scheming to take the throne. But now, that seems totally out of character for our protagonist, unless we were to pull some "I'm taking this burdensome empire away from you for your own good" shenanigans. Like, just let Ahri live a simple life of tea parties and fluffy tails while someone more qualified (i.e. Yui) does all the ruling.
 
To be honest, when I first read the premise of this quest (imperial princess in failing empire, has the option to take control of things herself) I definitely thought we were in for some Crusader Kings-style scheming to take the throne. But now, that seems totally out of character for our protagonist, unless we were to pull some "I'm taking this burdensome empire away from you for your own good" shenanigans. Like, just let Ahri live a simple life of tea parties and fluffy tails while someone more qualified (i.e. Yui) does all the ruling.
You know that could totally be a thing that could happen.

But the story is getting started, no?
 
The most important question that I haven't seen an answer to: where does the money come from? The navy needs a LOT of money, which means tax hikes and/or budget cuts, but who will we have to piss off to do that? Will we need to tax the great houses? In that case, we need to call 13th fleet back so we have a beatstick that can keep them in line. Who does the Senate actually represent, and do we need to get on their good side to get a budget passed? Which parts of the empire generate the most money, and how much of that money goes to us rather than our rivals, and who do we need to intimidate/placate to get a bigger slice of that pie?
 
The most important question that I haven't seen an answer to: where does the money come from? The navy needs a LOT of money, which means tax hikes and/or budget cuts, but who will we have to piss off to do that? Will we need to tax the great houses? In that case, we need to call 13th fleet back so we have a beatstick that can keep them in line. Who does the Senate actually represent, and do we need to get on their good side to get a budget passed? Which parts of the empire generate the most money, and how much of that money goes to us rather than our rivals, and who do we need to intimidate/placate to get a bigger slice of that pie?
From the in-universe perspective, while these are all very good questions, these aren't things that Yui is specifically aware of or knowledgeable about, because she's a naval officer, not an economist or the Imperical Chancellor. She has a good understanding of how the taxation system works in principle, but not to the specific degree to be able to answer these questions. And why should she?

These are all questions that are beyond the scope of a Vice Admiral's purview, and while these are quite interesting questions, asking them will also make people very interested in you, because it starts looking like you're wanting to muscle in on the Imperial Chancellor's territory, and it looks like you're planning embezzlement to fund your private army and arm twisting to build your powerbase for a coup.
 
From the in-universe perspective, while these are all very good questions, these aren't things that Yui is specifically aware of or knowledgeable about, because she's a naval officer, not an economist or the Imperical Chancellor. She has a good understanding of how the taxation system works in principle, but not to the specific degree to be able to answer these questions. And why should she?

These are all questions that are beyond the scope of a Vice Admiral's purview, and while these are quite interesting questions, asking them will also make people very interested in you, because it starts looking like you're wanting to muscle in on the Imperial Chancellor's territory, and it looks like you're planning embezzlement to fund your private army and arm twisting to build your powerbase for a coup.
I don't understand, we're a member of the Regency council, isn't it our job to ask these questions? At the least, we need to tell them that the navy needs more money, period. They can talk about where to get it from, but it needs getting. I hate arguing with the QM about the game, but if we don't know where the money is coming from then the political situation becomes literally impossible to solve because we don't know what goal we're actually working towards.
 
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I don't understand, we're a member of the Regency council, isn't it our job to ask these questions? At the least, we need to tell them that the navy needs more money, period. They can talk about where to get it from, but it needs getting. I hate arguing with the QM about the game, but if we don't know where the money is coming from then the political situation becomes literally impossible to solve because we don't know what goal we're actually working towards.
Yui's job isn't to chase people down for money.
 
I don't understand, we're a member of the Regency council, isn't it our job to ask these questions? At the least, we need to tell them that the navy needs more money, period. They can talk about where to get it from, but it needs getting. I hate arguing with the QM about the game, but if we don't know where the money is coming from then the political situation becomes literally impossible to solve because we don't know what goal we're actually working towards.
I quote from Yui's talk with Ahri earlier in the quest:

until you reach your majority, until you are prepared to rule, the Regency Council rule in your name. They don't do any major policy changes, they avoid upheaval, their job is to keep the status quo until you become Empress.

The Regency Council's mandate is to maintain the status quo and keep things running, which is why by convention, the Regent and the head of the Regency Council is the Imperial Chancellor. It's only logical, since his job is the day to day administration and running of the Empire - he's basically doing what he was already doing anyway; the Empress is Head of State and the Chancellor is Head of Government (albeit the Empress has a lot more power compared to a modern Westminster style constitutional monarchy).

Note that the same raised eyebrows I mention would apply to the representatives of the Great Houses if they in turn started asking the same questions as above.

Yui's role on the Regency Council is to be an advisor to Ahri, be a personal voice for the Imperial House's interests, and keep things rolling along and cockblock Sumeragi moves maintain the status quo. Matters of taxation are for the Chancellor to decide and Empress to approve, but Stefan von Staffenburg isn't going to make any big changes until after Ahri reaches her majority and takes up the reins of power, because he doesn't want people stirring drama about how the Regent (i.e. him) hoodwinked the inexperienced Empress.

Also, while Yui is a fairly prominent flag officer, she's still just another Vice Admiral among many other 3-stars in the Navy. She's not supposed to fight for the Navy's interests in the political sphere, that's the job of the First Star Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff, the professional head of the Imperial Navy, and the Lord Protector of the Realm, aka the Minister of Defense.

Right now, Yui's focus is going to be on Ahri's political education and preparing her to lead, and maintaining the status quo, because a civil war is bad for everyone.
 
OOC are you saying you don't want to deal with this, so we can't do anything on that front? Because IC, the status quo includes "the empire exists," which it may not if the fleet doesn't get more money, and the people whose job it is to take care of that clearly haven't done so. If you say that it's a game rule that we can't deal with this, that's fine and I'll drop it, as long as this artificial barrier doesn't bite us in the ass later. Otherwise, politics and money are so intertwined that talking about one without the other is impossible.
 
OOC are you saying you don't want to deal with this, so we can't do anything on that front? Because IC, the status quo includes "the empire exists," which it may not if the fleet doesn't get more money, and the people whose job it is to take care of that clearly haven't done so. If you say that it's a game rule that we can't deal with this, that's fine and I'll drop it, as long as this artificial barrier doesn't bite us in the ass later. Otherwise, politics and money are so intertwined that talking about one without the other is impossible.
The status quo is also that Navy funding has been stagnant. Refer to Yonatan's rant:

those fucking greedy tightfisted Senators keep refusing to increase Navy funding, and past Empresses were too weak and complacent and just kept to the status quo.

Now, what I am saying IC is that we do not have the standing nor the authority to get into budget fights. It is not Yui's place to be fighting for more budget for the Imperial Navy, because as far as the Navy is concerned, she's just another Vice Admiral. Look at the US military - you don't see random three-stars fighting for budget before Congress, that's what the Joint Chiefs of Staff are for. If we were playing as the First Star Lord, the professional head of the Imperial Navy, or as the Imperial Chancellor, the Imperial Head of Government, then yes, budget fights and budget allocations would be part of what we would be dealing with. But we're not either of them, so we don't get involved in budget fights and political horse trading.

Trying to usurp the First Star Lord's work is just going to piss him and the rest of the Navy brass off, including Fleet Admiral Yonatan Chew, because that shows that you have no respect for your position and the chain of command. Yui may have opinions on budgeting and the Navy's focus, and there are avenues for her to share her opinions (the Navy newsletter, internal memos to her superiors, ranting over whiskey with Uncle Johnny :V), but at the end of the day she's a naval officer; her job is to shut up, salute the flag and execute her commander's intent.

Also I did say, that if Yui or any of the other Great House reps were asking the questions you suggest, people would start looking at them and thinking they're planning for embezzlement to fund their private army and building a political base to support a coup attempt. Hell, Yui already had a private army of her own! (until she gave it up)

I think you've misunderstood the point and purpose of the Regency Council. The Regency Council is an advisory body to the Empress, it's basically the Privy Council + representatives from the Great Houses, it's not the Imperial Chancellor's cabinet. Now, admittedly, I thought i had made that clear previously but it turns out that nope, that hadn't happened, so I'm going to have to edit the informational link about the Regency Council.

It is said that the Regency Council rules in the Empress's name, but as a practical matter it serves as an advisory body to the Empress, and is the Privy Council with 6 additional members representing the Imperial House and the five Great houses. The mandate of the Regency Council is to maintain the political and economic status quo of the Empire, until the Empress reaches her majority and is judged fit to rule.

Raising taxes, increasing Navy funding, this is all moving outside the status quo, and that's the purview of the Empress.
 
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Also like yes, I know it's coming on 3 weeks since the last update, but I am working on the update and if everyone would bear with me for another week or so we'd have the update, which would be the Regency Council meeting that Yui was rushing back to attend...
 
Whiskey's been sucked into the new Ace Combat and briefly considered rebooting this thing as an AC-esque setting with more jets and no fewer foxthots. Warcrimes Princess may show up as a result of this, though :V
 
Raising taxes, increasing Navy funding, this is all moving outside the status quo, and that's the purview of the Empress
The Empress basically worships us and will follow any advice we give her, including "push for more funding for the navy." Maybe she can't do this yet because she's a minor but that just raises the question of if we could do it as the Vicereine, because if so we may need to revisit that decision.

Even if we can't change anything, we've already encountered decisions that would be influenced by knowing where the money comes from: if the outer rim provides 1% of Imperial revenue then dispersing 13th fleet to secure it becomes less advisable.

I don't have politics SSR in real life, but I could provide a general answer to those questions for my own country. Fighting about/for money is such a dominant part of politics that I don't understand how we can have SSR Politics without knowing at least as much about budget issues as, say, a political columnist for a newspaper.
 
The Empress basically worships us and will follow any advice we give her, including "push for more funding for the navy." Maybe she can't do this yet because she's a minor but that just raises the question of if we could do it as the Vicereine, because if so we may need to revisit that decision.

Even if we can't change anything, we've already encountered decisions that would be influenced by knowing where the money comes from: if the outer rim provides 1% of Imperial revenue then dispersing 13th fleet to secure it becomes less advisable.

I don't have politics SSR in real life, but I could provide a general answer to those questions for my own country. Fighting about/for money is such a dominant part of politics that I don't understand how we can have SSR Politics without knowing at least as much about budget issues as, say, a political columnist for a newspaper.

You say you don't want to argue with the QM, yet all your posts in my quest have been arguing with me...

Also do you want people to suspect Yui even more of being a coup risk?

Like, seriously people. The IRG didn't send you a liaison officer out of the goodness of their hearts.
 
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The Empress basically worships us and will follow any advice we give her, including "push for more funding for the navy." Maybe she can't do this yet because she's a minor but that just raises the question of if we could do it as the Vicereine, because if so we may need to revisit that decision.

Even if we can't change anything, we've already encountered decisions that would be influenced by knowing where the money comes from: if the outer rim provides 1% of Imperial revenue then dispersing 13th fleet to secure it becomes less advisable.

I don't have politics SSR in real life, but I could provide a general answer to those questions for my own country. Fighting about/for money is such a dominant part of politics that I don't understand how we can have SSR Politics without knowing at least as much about budget issues as, say, a political columnist for a newspaper.
Even if Yui did become the vicereine, she wouldn't have the ability to do all the things you are asking

The writer has already spoken on this issue, so please stop pestering him.
 
@Klaus this is me putting my foot down on this arguing.

Rather than continue to argue with you about something that you seem persistent in not understanding, I would instead suggest that you wait for the next update where I can introduce matters organically in the story.
 
You say you don't want to argue with the QM, yet all your posts in my quest have been arguing with me...
I said that if you were going to make it a game rule then I'd stop asking questions, but you kept talking about it from an in-universe perspective...

Also do you want people to suspect Yui even more of being a coup risk?

Like, seriously people. The IRG didn't send you a liaison officer out of the goodness of their hearts.
See, this is the kind of disconnect I'm talking about. You've previously said that launching a coup was on the table for this character, and yet here you talk like doing something that raises eyebrows is automatically a no-go.

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I don't expect you to reply to this with any answers, but I do feel justified in defending myself from mischaracterization.
 
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See, this is the kind of disconnect I'm talking about. You've previously said that launching a coup was on the table for this character, and yet here you talk like doing something that raises eyebrows is automatically a no-go.
My dude, generally speaking if you want to plan a coup you don't want to make people suspect you're planning a coup by taking actions that make you look like you're planning a coup.
 
I said that if you were going to make it a game rule then I'd stop asking questions, but you kept talking about it from an in-universe perspective...
He already gave you a extremely detailed answer in character about how whatever the hell you want yui to do is a hilarously huge overreach of what she is supposed to be doing, so stop acting like you are the aggrieved party here when you are the one who refuses to accept the IC answers.

See, this is the kind of disconnect I'm talking about. You've previously said that launching a coup was on the table for this character, and yet here you talk like doing something that raises eyebrows is automatically a no-go.

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I don't expect you to reply to this with any answers, but I do feel justified in defending myself from mischaracterization.
Considering that most of the voters have the goal of not couping, Yui couping can be considered as a failure state for the other people voting in this quest.

Stop trying to hide your silliness by accusing the writer of saying things he hasn't.
 
He already gave you a extremely detailed answer in character about how whatever the hell you want yui to do is a hilarously huge overreach of what she is supposed to be doing, so stop acting like you are the aggrieved party here when you are the one who refuses to accept the IC answers.


Considering that most of the voters have the goal of not couping, Yui couping can be considered as a failure state for the other people voting in this quest.

Stop trying to hide your silliness by accusing the writer of saying things he hasn't.
He gave a lot of in-character answers that amounted to "doing this means not staying in your lane." Setting aside my arguments that just knowing the answers to the questions, even without changing them, is important, our character had the option to launch a coup. Obviously, we're not actually going to do that, and I don't appreciate you claiming I suggested we were, but "staying in our lane" was explicitly not a requirement for our character.

There is a difference between a GM saying "you can't do that" and a GM saying "here are the costs for doing that," and I have been asking questions to try and tell the difference.
 
He gave a lot of in-character answers that amounted to "doing this means not staying in your lane." Setting aside my arguments that just knowing the answers to the questions, even without changing them, is important, our character had the option to launch a coup. Obviously, we're not actually going to do that, and I don't appreciate you claiming I suggested we were, but "staying in our lane" was explicitly not a requirement for our character.

There is a difference between a GM saying "you can't do that" and a GM saying "here are the costs for doing that," and I have been asking questions to try and tell the difference.
If it comes up it will come up. Until then wait for it to come up.
 
He gave a lot of in-character answers that amounted to "doing this means not staying in your lane." Setting aside my arguments that just knowing the answers to the questions, even without changing them, is important, our character had the option to launch a coup. Obviously, we're not actually going to do that, and I don't appreciate you claiming I suggested we were, but "staying in our lane" was explicitly not a requirement for our character.

There is a difference between a GM saying "you can't do that" and a GM saying "here are the costs for doing that," and I have been asking questions to try and tell the difference.
Look, everything we've been told boils down to the following:

-Yui and the other members of the regency council do not need to know the answers to the questions you've asked to do their job.
-Using Yui's position as a member of the council is both not going to work and will make others suspicious because of the former. Thus making our job more difficult because now we have to dodge minders and spies trying to keep an eye on us because the other members of the regency council and the various parts of the government don't trust us.
-"Not staying in our lane" does not mean doing things to make our job more difficult.
 
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