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Mana Based System - FoZ/Gamer

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Storyteller said:
Alright, am I the only one finding the effects of Gamer's Mind disturbing? Fear is kinda important for survival, even if the Gamer might not need it. Gamer's Mind is also succeeding at the near impossible task of making Louise worse at social circumstances. Montmorency outright said she is afraid of Louise being dead, and it isn't computing for Louise why that amy be so.
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What @Tavarokk said, after all, while fear is essential, it's great to not have it impeding you needlessly. After all, fear is the mindkiller.
 
Silver W. King said:
Yes. No.

Thing is, Monmon is basing her opinion on what she knows about Louise, thinking that her entire personality changed. However Monmon only knows Louise from when she didn't have magic and was always in a high stress situation from dealing with people's criticism, her failures and being mocked for them. Here however, Louise has finally got her wish to use magic and is happier for it. Yes, Louise is acting reckless, but I don't think Monmon has any grounds to say Louise is suicidal due to the fact that she doesn't know her enough.

Now sure, the conclusion Monmon draws makes sense, and her concerns are real. It doesn't not however stop it from being annoying.
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Storyteller said:
@Silver W. King

Thank you for explaining your thoughts to me.
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You two are so polite to each other that I'm astounded and amazed. Is this real life? Is this still the internet? Are we still on SV/SB?!

You make me think that I should have hope for humanity still.
 
Silver W. King said:
However Monmon only knows Louise from when she didn't have magic and was always in a high stress situation from dealing with people's criticism, her failures and being mocked for them.
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Being in a high stress situation isn't going to conjure up an explosive temper like the one that Louise repeatedly showed for years. That is a flaw that is wholly Louise's, not the result of the environment.
Training constantly for a week isn't exactly a low-stress lifestyle. Especially training hard enough to push her from just becoming a dot mage to being a line mage in a week.

Oh, and Louise hasn't stopped being the focus of negative attention. If anything, it's gotten worse, since there are now rumors floating around that she's been replaced by a creature that I'm pretty sure the dominant religion demands be killed. So, y'know, there's that.

Silver W. King said:
It doesn't not however stop it from being annoying.
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Yes, how dare Monmon show concern for someone who did a big favor for her last week.
 
azoicennead said:
Yes, how dare Monmon show concern for someone who did a big favor for her last week.
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I see your point, but for me it feel like she is insistently barging on Louise. I'm not saying Monmon's attitude being invasive is the absolute truth, I'm saying what I feel about it is that her concern feels like a "too little, too late" kind of thing.

azoicennead said:
Oh, and Louise hasn't stopped being the focus of negative attention. If anything, it's gotten worse, since there are now rumors floating around that she's been replaced by a creature that I'm pretty sure the dominant religion demands be killed. So, y'know, there's that.
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True. Although I don't feel that we saw enough of the consequences of that, since all that happened was Louise called to Osmond office, got told of the rumor and they acted to counter it, before Louise left. It would be nice to see Louise interact with other students while this rumor is circulating to show a stronger reaction from Louise about it.

azoicennead said:
Training constantly for a week isn't exactly a low-stress lifestyle. Especially training hard enough to push her from just becoming a dot mage to being a line mage in a week.
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Monmon had not known at that point that Louise pushed herself from Dot to Line. Only that she was training hard, however isn't exercise is known to relive stress. Train magic spells could be equated to the same thing, right?

azoicennead said:
Being in a high stress situation isn't going to conjure up an explosive temper like the one that Louise repeatedly showed for years. That is a flaw that is wholly Louise's, not the result of the environment.
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Yes and no.

It is a flaw that Louise always had, but it was the only defensive mechanism she could think of or use to deal with all the jests and mocking thrown at her. She couldn't afford to look weak, so she threw a temper to overcompensate. Now she doesn't have to, as she had some success to stand on, although it is true that her temper should be an ingrained reflex at this point and it is weird, from an outsider's perspective, that she isn't immediately going to it.
 
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Actually, I'm 90% sure that's Rule63!Weiss. Look at the hips, that's not a girl.
 
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Renu said:
So yeah, from experience, even me who's small and weak can swing a bastard sword around, but it doesn't mean that a rapier isn't more comfortable to use.
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A rapier, used properly, is not a light weapon. It's not a smallsword.

Renu said:
Also, Minusseven, why would he tell Louise to remove her cloak? I don't know how a Kriegsmesser is used, but usually a cloak is an advantage (stops and traps the enemy's sword), no?
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That depends heavily on the style of fencing. Offhand, given the short range cutting style of messer fencing, I doubt the cloak would be a natural secondary. More to the point, I know of no German styles that used the cloak; it seems to be an Iberian thing.
 
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I know its a little late but I'd just like to point out that Gamer's Mind doesn't make the user inhuman, it Negates negative effects so the user can think clearly, as if their own life is a game they are playing. It may be a translation issue, but its best to assume that Gamer's Mind is literal.
 
Keflyn said:
I know its a little late but I'd just like to point out that Gamer's Mind doesn't make the user inhuman, it Negates negative effects so the user can think clearly, as if their own life is a game they are playing. It may be a translation issue, but its best to assume that Gamer's Mind is literal.
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There's a mental condition called solipsism which can operate similarly. It's uh.... not a good thing.
 
TheUnicorn said:
Is that a real medical condition?
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Yeah, it's a fairly common effect of severe insomnia, depression and abuse of certain narcotics among other things (it apparently can happen if people arr removed from a standard day/night cycle, people who move to wiyhin the polar circles can sometimes get it). It makes you feel like a spectator or generally removed from the real world as if everything is a dream, movie, game or otherwise fake. It can cause pretty colossal issues due to apathy, impeding empathy, poor risk judgement and losing track of things.

Now not a problem for The Gamer power but the way Keflyn described it was pretty close.

Edit:Technically not recognised as it's own thing but it's pretty much covered by Depersonalisation Disorder which is.
 
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Renu said:
I mean, I did train with one for several years. It weights basically nothing, especially compared to what I was comparing it to. Note the "from experience".
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Ah. I interpreted your words to mean that your experience was with the bastard sword; I apologize for the mistake. I've mainly done longsword (i.e. "bastard" sword) fencing, but mostly kendo.

From what I discovered when doing sword-and-buckler, I would expect you to find it weighing almost nothing after training with it for several years -- when I tried out the sword and buckler, I found the one-handed sword extraordinarily heavy and tiring compared to the longsword. That's not so odd when your muscles are unused to the weapon and/or the form. A weapon may appear heavy but that doesn't necessarily make it heavy: I'm pretty weak myself and, as with kendo, the supposed weight of the longsword gradually stopped being an issue.

Renu said:
Actually, I don't really understand what you want to say... where did I say it's a smallsword?
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Again, my apologies. I thought you referred to being used to longswords, in which case it would have been possible that you'd internalized the common idea that all stabbing swords are light and flimsy.
 
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Broken25 said:
Nope, is not. There are some syndromes with solipsist signs, though. What Gamers mind does is quite similar to a depersonalization disorder. Or, more exactly, is a mild dissociative effect that cuts you from your emotions and makes you feel them second hand.
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Scarlet4 said:
Yeah, it's a fairly common effect of severe insomnia, depression and abuse of certain narcotics among other things (it apparently can happen if people arr removed from a standard day/night cycle, people who move to wiyhin the polar circles can sometimes get it).
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We're getting a bit off topic, but could you point me to some cites about this?
 
Binged and watched.

It's refreshing to see the Gamer powerset in the hands of a person who doesn't, yet, know how to game it. Also nice to see a FoZ fic again. Honestly thought they were dying out/all about the families.
 
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