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I'd be curious to hear people's thoughts on this (pardon the title gore)

Saving 'The List' Trumps Getting Cruz on the Court

TL,DR: it's a very conservative website & an article by a very conservative author, which argues in favor of the principle behind Trump releasing a list of who he would consider acceptable nominees for the Supreme Court once elected.

This is in the context of whether Ted Cruz should be Trump's nominee to replace Antonin Scalia. (Again: very conservative site). I'm more curious about the principle of the thing, and whether "preemptively stating who you would pick for the Court" would be a positive move for us in this quest.

On the 'for' side: more transparency (fits our campaign theme), more newsworthy (extra headlines = poll boost), reassurance to social conservatives (about our stance & trustworthiness on social issues like abortion), more aura of 'real leader' (since other candidates would probably follow our lead...)

On the 'against' side: more transparency (no wiggle room: if we don't include pro-life justices, we won't win, but if we do, we would be attacked for it during the general election), more clay feet (breaking this promise might ruin Pataki's chances of a second term, like George HW Bush's "no more taxes" promise), more research busywork (have to prepare the list & research potential nominees in the first place), more politicization of the Supreme Court (kinda inevitable at this point, but generally harmful to the republic in my opinion).

Thoughts?
 
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How legitimate is this website though? Their are alot of echo chamber sites out there.
 
Interesting thought but I personally think the potential costs out weigh any benefits. Also if I recall correctly it is still five months until Scalia's death.
 
How legitimate is this website though? Their are alot of echo chamber sites out there.
Pretty legit. They're run by solid conservative intellectuals (executive editor used to work at American Enterprise Institute), have contributors from all over the conservative spectrum (mostly ambivalent on Trump, as expected), and collate even more conservative content from other authors. It may be 'echo chamber' in the sense that it's written by and for conservatives, but it definitely isn't clickbait and for the most part does decent fact-checking.
Interesting thought but I personally think the potential costs out weigh any benefits. Also if I recall correctly it is still five months until Scalia's death.
...wow. It's been a long election season -- Scalia's death seemed like it took place a lot longer ago.
 
Yeah, when Scalia's death comes around, assuming that we're still in a position in the race to take advantage of it, then we can talk about judicial picks (well, not immediately. That'd be insensitive). Atm, though, leaning on a "don't announce them ahead of time" thing.
 
Obama's actually somewhat popular. I do not think attacking him is a good idea. Attack policy, not the person. Ad hominem attacks do not work if the person is popular.
 
Yeah I have to agree if we start attacking Obama we stop being Pataki and turn into a faceless generic Republican when all we've done so far was to establish and distinguish ourself from the very large pack. We still are unfortunately in a race with 16 people with little name recognition against guys like Jeb, Trump, Cruz (shut down government & zodiac killer memes) and Rubio (moderate brand recognition) and Christie (strong name recognition)

PS: Did you guys there are some people who believe Christie cost Mitt Romeny 2012. The whole inviting Obama over when Hurricane Sandy hit and crying with him on TV and taking walks on the Boardwalk.
 
Yeah I have to agree if we start attacking Obama we stop being Pataki and turn into a faceless generic Republican when all we've done so far was to establish and distinguish ourself from the very large pack. We still are unfortunately in a race with 16 people with little name recognition against guys like Jeb, Trump, Cruz (shut down government & zodiac killer memes) and Rubio (moderate brand recognition) and Christie (strong name recognition)

PS: Did you guys there are some people who believe Christie cost Mitt Romeny 2012. The whole inviting Obama over when Hurricane Sandy hit and crying with him on TV and taking walks on the Boardwalk.

Ar around PS your message cuts off. Can you repost please?
 
Suggestion: Cross this bridge when we get to it.

It's not even remotely something worth considering right now. We are only at the first primary debate. Iowa doesn't vote for six fucking months. Evaluate the circumstances when it happens as to what we should say about the Supreme Court. Catering to pro-life may not matter at that point. Deal with it then.

Fuck, Karvoka may just fuck with us and not kill off Scalia. Y'all are thinking too far ahead.
 
Suggestion: Cross this bridge when we get to it.

It's not even remotely something worth considering right now. We are only at the first primary debate. Iowa doesn't vote for six fucking months. Evaluate the circumstances when it happens as to what we should say about the Supreme Court. Catering to pro-life may not matter at that point. Deal with it then.

Fuck, Karvoka may just fuck with us and not kill off Scalia. Y'all are thinking too far ahead.
For all we know, a Liberal justice may pass away instead. Or none of them do. We really shouldn't take what happens for granted.
 
For all we know, a Liberal justice may pass away instead. Or none of them do. We really shouldn't take what happens for granted.
no the republicans will just keep blocking things they have no reason not to block things as that's literally their whole party strategy right now to just stall and block everything.
 
no the republicans will just keep blocking things they have no reason not to block things as that's literally their whole party strategy right now to just stall and block everything.
Yep and it all worked out in the end with them controlling every branch and probably the Supreme Court in the future as well. The best defense really is the best offense.
 
                       
    Debate Skill Debate Focus Issue Familiarity IF upgrade Charisma Energy Random   Total Score Result
Jeb Bush   -1 -6 1 1 -1 2 -2   -6 Castastrophe!
-Tactics Largely forgettable; stumped by Trump during debate           2
                       
Donald Trump   1   -1   2 2 2   6 Successful
-Tactics Barely coherent; mainly attacks Jeb, with jabs at Walker and Rand Paul's hair        
                       
Rand Paul   1   -1 1 -1 3     3 Neutral
-Tactics Meandering; a few stand-out moments, drowned by Trump attacks          
                       
Ben Carson     2 -1       1   2 Neutral
-Tactics Passive; avoided attacks, downplayed issue familiarity            
                       
Marco Rubio   1 2 1   1 2 2   9 Successful
-Tactics Well-rehearsed headline grabbers; talked about Hispanic roots         2
                       
Mike Huckabee   1 -1   -1 1   1   1 Neutral
-Tactics Utterly unmemorably. Failed to motivate the values voter crowd. Several missteps.          
                       
Ted Cruz   1 2   2 1 3     9 Successful
-Tactics Strongly memorable perfomance. Heavily pushed Conservative 'Values Voter' credentials. Strong crowd motivator     2
                       
Chris Christie   1 -2 1 1 1 3 2   7 Successful
-Tactics Like a bull in a china shop. Tangled with Paul, Cruz repeatedly, came out better than Paul, worse than Cruz.     2
                       
John Kasich   1 -1   -2 1 3 1   3 Neutral
-Tactics Relied too heavily on local crowd for support. Largely unmemorable.            
                       
George Pataki   1   1 1 1 3     7 Successful
-Tactics Struggled to break through, drowned out by stronger perfomances from Cruz, Rubio.         2

Right! Thanks to the ever helpful @Publicola campaign quest is dragging it's ass off the ground. Here are the debate results, with some notes jotted down, to give you an idea of what is going to go down.
 
Right! Thanks to the ever helpful @Publicola campaign quest is dragging it's ass off the ground. Here are the debate results, with some notes jotted down, to give you an idea of what is going to go down.
:) Glad to see this back, and glad the results are sorted out. One concern: there seem to be a fair few 'dropped numbers' that were on the spreadsheet but not in your above post. Did you delete them intentionally (to avoid spoilers) or was that unintentional?
 
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We did okay, most of our opponents seem down for the count so to speak, so all we need is to buckle down and smash Ted and Rubio, also, did patakis wife add any to our score for the debate, if I remember correctly she aced the whole Twitter thing.
 
We did okay, most of our opponents seem down for the count so to speak, so all we need is to buckle down and smash Ted and Rubio, also, did patakis wife add any to our score for the debate, if I remember correctly she aced the whole Twitter thing.
That, as well as all the jabs at Scott Walker, affected things outside the debate.

Walker got fucking savaged by literally everyone on the stage.He's done.
 
Aw bugger, all that work for nothing, what the use of being a RINO if you can't stand out?
Eh, we actually did pretty well compared to our main competitors for the 'centrist'/establishment lane. Jeb! crashed and burned, Kasich got nowhere, and while Christie succeeded, he went full attack-dog and should see no poll bump as a result.

We'll need to wait for the written-up results, but I think we did pretty well.
 
considering everyone would be targeting us and not letting us speak etc I say good results.
 
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