Would it be possible to establish a series of "fortified villages" along the border to make raiding and the like more difficult and how believable/doable would it to settle Metics there ?
Magna Graecia: Victory's Children (A City State Quest)
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Would it be possible to establish a series of "fortified villages" along the border to make raiding and the like more difficult and how believable/doable would it to settle Metics there ?
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I would think we still require a Citizen core for it, otherwise it is the same as a Peuketti town.
And for that we need more Citizens. How do we get more? Time
We have a big population boom going on already. Now we just wait for them to grow up.
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I think we're getting at least a start to that with the Fortress Harpos is building. It makes for a nice defensive asset, but I would caution against relying too heavily on the Peuketti for border defense. I think we can trust them against the Lucani but their loyalty otherwise is still an open question.
307 OL, Turn 22: A Bounty of Festivals
Cetashwayo
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307 OL, TURN 22
[X] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone. But a good sheepdog should continue to herd sheep, and it is moot that Harpos provide us a token of his respect from the flocks he will raise on the new land, as his overlords.
Number of voters: 35
[X] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone.
Number of voters: 23
[X] Provide an equal amount of land around Azetion to both Harpos and the Canosans to maintain the principle of equality between the Peuketii cities. What is loyalty among barbaroi? They cannot be trusted with such a power imbalance.
Number of voters: 1
Number of voters: 35
[X] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone.
Number of voters: 23
[X] Provide an equal amount of land around Azetion to both Harpos and the Canosans to maintain the principle of equality between the Peuketii cities. What is loyalty among barbaroi? They cannot be trusted with such a power imbalance.
Number of voters: 1
Current Treasury: 142 Talents
We Have How Many Festivals Now?!
Driven dull by the arguments about whether or not to provide Harpos more land, which most citizens of Eretria approved of, the interest of the citizens was suddenly and explosively piqued by Kallias and Sideros' joint (begrudging) proposal to create new ceremonies and festivals based around Apollo and Artemis in order to show especially the love Apollo has bestowed upon the city, and to restore to former greatness the Goddess Artemis who had once been essential to the city. The proposals became more and more complicated, and more citizens suggested additions to the festivals. What if we had a hoop race?! What if the women showed their support from the sidelines?! What if we sacrificed an entire flock of sheep and twenty oxen and then drove the whole procession out of town?! What if we built an enormous stone platform carried by 500 men to carry around the procession?! The wild suggestions of the Eretrian citizens began to go out of hand, and in the end they were silenced by Pydamon, who spoke earnestly to the city about what was possible. He agreed with the original proposal of Kallias and Sideros, and the games begun immediately; Harpos for his part was happy to agree, while the Canosan delegates slunk home.
Outside of the walls, merchants of all kinds plied their wares, Peuketii drove sheep and sold the wool for profit, and even some Messapii and Dauni merchants arrived, attracted by the prospect of making money off the Peuketii and Eretrians. Some citizens were deeply unsettled by the huge mass of barbaroi that teemed and swarmed outside the walls, with Antipater calling it a "siege", but most simply accepted the matter and allowed the festivities to continue. Apollo and Artemis were honored, and that was that.
Playwrights, subsidized by the city, were able to produce a surprising and shocking tragedy of a son disowned by his father after running from battle, who manages to regain glory in exile only to return home and find his father on his deathbed. In his last breath his father calls the boy "son" once more, and then passes away. Pedaeus and the Exile, as the play is called, was a colloborative effort by several playwrights, foremost among them the young Hypsenor, who took up the contest against the wishes of his own father; the two had an emotional reconciliation after his father watched the play and is told to have wept so much his beard was slick with tears.
The city was able to recoup much of the cost through taxes, and the rest was shouldered by the donations of private citizens like Drako, who had recovered from his illness and now hosted "bone" sessions where he taught rhetoric and oratory among the market stalls. Students of his who stuttered, or fumbled their words, would sit in a wooden box with open top and have bones thrown at them. In this manner Drako was able to exact perfect discipline from his students, and he was given a new title: "The Ass of a Man Who Throws Bones at my Son", although this title was held only by some of the parents of the students and ultimately did not catch on.
Pydamon however was concerned, and allowed the revelry to die down in order to raise those concerns. In the first place, much of the setting of the festival in this case was ad-hoc and some of the rituals were improper. He cited by way of explanation that the temples of the city, both the Arkadion and the shrine of the Divine Marriage, had been relying purely on donations that had been somewhat sporadic, especially in the early years. As a result, the temples, although now financially stable, had worked up a healthy debt to several merchants. Drako, who had loaned to them, offered to waive interest, but Timaeus, who had been a former probolos and was now enormously wealthy, was not so kind. He explained that Pydamon may have been a good steward of the temples, but his predecessors had wasted enormous amounts of money on frivolous projects.
For example, the vaunted Thunderbird was being given "the grass of Zeus" to feed on, when it was neither very clear on where this grass came from, why it was so much more expensive than regular grass, or why Ankaparatos, the previous seer, had left the city to go to Lykai with a huge wealth in silver and gold jewelery (a case against him in the law courts was passed over because the courts prioritized speed and Ankaparatos apparently made a convincing and concise appeal to Plutus). Pydamon explained that he found the temples poorly run, with badly trained seers and priestesses, and the only thing was in his terms "a divine disaster, a plague, the most evil thing in this city, a warning to all of the danger of impiety", although Pydamon tended to describe a bad lunch in the same way.
In either case, the point was that the temple needed its debts forgiven. However, before the ekklesia, Timaeus refused, explaining that although he thought Pydamon was an honorable and pious seer, he could not simply lose a good portion of his money handing out forgiveness to everyone in debt. Pydamon argued that the temples were different and he had a sacred duty, but Timaeus scoffed, saying he had never a sacred duty before and that maybe the temple ought to sell the Thunderbird for meat to make up for everything. Pydamon was shocked and enraged, and many supporters of the bird shouted at Timaeus who simply shrugged atop his rock carried by several merchants.
The point, he elucidated, was that he was willing to let the temple cease paying interest but he was hardly going to forgive the debts, and if the city wanted to it would have to pay for the debts themselves. Pydamon, after some hesitation, accepted that and did not press Timaeus further. The matter now falls to the city; Herodion is opposed to paying the debts because after an examination of the treasury he thinks the city needs as much money as it can to pay for the Stone Walls, and if the temples struggle for a time and festival cows are a bit poorer, so be it. The matter now falls to the ekklesia.
Although the festival has been an unqualified success, Pydamon, who is now one of the most prominent seers in the city, has raised concerns. The last influential seer, Ankaparatos, has fled the city with an enormous amount of gold and silver and the temples are in debt to several merchants, including the trader and former proboulos Timaeus. Timaeus offers to waive further interest but refuses to forgive the debt unless the city foots the bill.
[] We cannot spend any more talents right now! The money can come later, but for the moment we absolutely must have enough money to fund the expense of stone walls. [No talents paid, Timaeus waives interest on the temple debt]
[] It is true that we need money for stone walls, but what kind of protection can we expect to have if we neglect the Gods? Poseidon can send a quake and break stone, Zeus can strike the city with a bolt of lightning, Athene can smash the gates and break down the walls. We must honor the gods or perish. [-30 talents, can be paid next year if you decide to build something].
Go Away Kallias No One Likes You Anyways
The time has come for the city to meditate on matters of diplomacy. Unlike Drako, Herodion feels that the city ought to have a direct role in diplomacy, and Drako has given his assent, arguing that his personal diplomacy ultimately ended up for nothing because all his effort with the city of Taras was overturned by the Kerkyrans. Instead, matters of negotiation and dipomacy must be made collectively or not at all, and for this purpose Herodion has spoken to Kallias and determined what needs to be done. Together they have determined potential places for the xenoparakletor to be dispatched to in order to solidly Eretrian interests, and now it is up to the citizens to decide where he is sent.
In the first place, as crafty Sideros suggested, the city could send Kallias to the city of Canosa in order to curry favor with them and see what the mood and political situation is there. It at least fit with the idea Aesop the Storyteller, another citizen, suggested that in particular they shouldn't be "niggardly" with their subjects, upon which other citizens asked him what that word was, and he shrugged and said he was a storyteller, not a man of words. Ignoring that diversion, Herodion and Kallias then explained an extension to the plan; afterwards Kallias should cross the river Aufidus and ride to Auscula to meet with the Dauni King Arpus and not only ascertain his intentions but also get a good scope of the political situation within the Dauni realm and see if some understanding could be reached similar to that reached with Daxtus.
Another proposal, put forward by Antipater and agreed to as an option by Kallias, would be to dispatch him to Metapontion. Its political system is close to Eretria's and they have cordial relations; perhaps the two cities could agree to an alliance to counterbalance Taras. In addition to that, Kallias would be able to keep an ear to the ground about the happenings in the rest of Italia. Hiero of Gela, the terrible tyrant of Sicily, is rumored to be ill, and in Metapontion Kallias would have a better idea of what was happening all around Italia; he could even hear some news about the Lucani, as Metapontion is more familiar with them than Eretria. Taras, Lykai, and Sicily would all be available to him.
The last suggestion is for Kallias to sail north to the Padanian Etruscan city of Atria far to the northern end of the Adriatic. News coming from the merchants there has been anxious and antsy; apparently the Enetoi have been decisively routed in a naval battle by the Liburnians, who have now formed a proper centralized league around the city of Iadar and gone on the war path. Rather than using their old pentekontors that have a single row of oars, there are even rumors that Iadar has thrice-decked triremes and is using them to harass shipping on the east coast of the Adriatic. If Kallias was dispatched to Atria, it could be conceivable that he could get a better read on Liburnian capabilities and their intentions, as well as what, if any allies Eretria could receive in the case of a Liburnian resurgence.
These are the options put forward; all that is left is for the ekklesia to vote on them.
[] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Canosa and then to the Dauni. We must get a good view of what the political situation is in the area around Eretria, especially among our subjects and the Dauni. They are an unknown quantity and we must secure some kind of assurance from them of peace or else go to war.
[] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Metapontion. We need allies among the Greeks, and if we do not get them we will be diplomatically isolated, relying only on Kerkyra and a pack of barbaroi. Not to mention we can hear more about the state of Greek Italia and Sicily.
[] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Atria in the north of Italy. There are rumors of a Liburnian resurgence, and they are a fearsome lot of pirates who nearly sacked our city. We must make sure that they do not rise again without our knowledge and attack us with a stronger fleet, and gather allies in such an eventuality.
Build the Wall (Or Don't, See If I Care)
The last thing that the citizens of Eretria have been presented with, of course, is the order of constructions by one of the city's mikrobouloi, associations of citizens chosen by lot to organize public works and infrastructure. The city has had its coffers lowered by the expense of the siege wall and army upkeep, and as a result has lost the ability to build a wall this year. As a result, Herodion has put aside his proposals for military reform because he fears they will only raise expense further and make it harder to build a proper stone wall. The city must have a wall, he says, or else there will be no opportunity for proper defense. Yes, the stout wooden walls of the city are strong and defensible, but they will not be enough in the face of a protracted siege, and especially not against other Greeks.
There are of course, other choices. In the past, Eretria has used this opportunity for choice to the fullest, avoiding the building of strong walls in favor of other, potentially valuable pieces of infrastructure, and indeed the possibility still remains. An Olive Farm, perhaps, or maybe a new theater. Perhaps an improvement to the Temple of the Divine Marriage, in these auspicious days. What about a fishing jetty? That could provide valuable income, improve the livelihood of the city's fishermen, and even potentially boost the city's naval tradition. The possibilities are many...
What should the city build this year?
[] Olive Farm [120 Talents, takes 1 year to build, will produce five units of Olive Oil after five years] Olive Oil is a valuable trade resource that the city can ship abroad for export.
[] Fishing Jetty [140 Talents, takes 1 year to build, will produce three units of Salted Anchovies immediately] Salted Anchoves are another trade resource, and a fishing jetty can encourage fishing among citizens, improving the city's naval and merchant tradition.
[] Temple [130 Talents, takes 2 years to build, will raise the city's reputation and trust among Greeks and strengthen its Civic Tradition by 5].
[] Stone Theater [130 Talents, takes 2 years to build, will raise the city's reputation and profile and net 30 talents a turn from citizens].
[] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
Voting is open immediately and will close on September 6th (Wednesday), 6 PM EST; write-ins need my express approval before being allowed, but if I give my approval you don't need three kleftes unless the write-in is unrelated to the current votes.
Votes should be submitted as a group of individual votes, not as specific plans. Don't use plan voting; if you think someone has the right idea copy and paste their votes.
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Some thoughts while I consider my vote -
1. If we want to pay off the temple debt, we absolutely CANNOT afford to build anything in order to save money for the wall
2. Where we should send Kallias is highly dependent on how stable we perceive our immediate situation to be. If we think that we're doing pretty well than trying to get on board with Metapontion or the Enetoi are tempting options. If we think that there are more immediate threats then we need to seek out Canosa and the Dauni.
1. If we want to pay off the temple debt, we absolutely CANNOT afford to build anything in order to save money for the wall
2. Where we should send Kallias is highly dependent on how stable we perceive our immediate situation to be. If we think that we're doing pretty well than trying to get on board with Metapontion or the Enetoi are tempting options. If we think that there are more immediate threats then we need to seek out Canosa and the Dauni.
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[] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Metapontion. We need allies among the Greeks, and if we do not get them we will be diplomatically isolated, relying only on Kerkyra and a pack of barbaroi. Not to mention we can hear more about the state of Greek Italia and Sicily.
[] We cannot spend any more talents right now! The money can come later, but for the moment we absolutely must have enough money to fund the expense of stone walls. [No talents paid, Timaeus waives interest on the temple debt]
[] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
Reasoning for why I suggest Metapontion is that Cetashwayo has already stated that Eretria is deep in uncanny valley. We should try and introduce ourselves to other Italian Greeks to ease ourselves in
Going for spending no money because we really should get those stone walls. Everything else is nice and shiny, but walls are king for defense.
[] We cannot spend any more talents right now! The money can come later, but for the moment we absolutely must have enough money to fund the expense of stone walls. [No talents paid, Timaeus waives interest on the temple debt]
[] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
Reasoning for why I suggest Metapontion is that Cetashwayo has already stated that Eretria is deep in uncanny valley. We should try and introduce ourselves to other Italian Greeks to ease ourselves in
Going for spending no money because we really should get those stone walls. Everything else is nice and shiny, but walls are king for defense.
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@Cetashwayo what is the cost of the stone wall and can we pay part of the debt owed by the temple this turn and part next year?
Edit: Okay looking at it if we do not deploy the army we make a net of 140.6 talents a year. Debt currently owed is 30 if we pay it off. Currently we have 142 talents so next year we would have 252.6 after paying the debt if we do not build anything. Smoked Anchoives currently give us 10 talents per unit in trade.
Edit: Okay looking at it if we do not deploy the army we make a net of 140.6 talents a year. Debt currently owed is 30 if we pay it off. Currently we have 142 talents so next year we would have 252.6 after paying the debt if we do not build anything. Smoked Anchoives currently give us 10 talents per unit in trade.
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Cetashwayo
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The cost of the Stone Wall is at least 220 talents, but it'll be a major set of decisions in its own right that will have the potential to cost more.
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I'm leaning towards trying to clamp down on the Liburni and formalizing an alliance with the Enetoi - I don't think that our situation is particularly dire right now.
[] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Atria in the north of Italy. There are rumors of a Liburnian resurgence, and they are a fearsome lot of pirates who nearly sacked our city. We must make sure that they do not rise again without our knowledge and attack us with a stronger fleet, and gather allies in such an eventuality.
I have a feeling there will be civic consequences for snubbing the gods , and 30 Talents isn't THAT much...
[] It is true that we need money for stone walls, but what kind of protection can we expect to have if we neglect the Gods? Poseidon can send a quake and break stone, Zeus can strike the city with a bolt of lightning, Athene can smash the gates and break down the walls. We must honor the gods or perish. [-30 talents].
BUILD THE WALL
[] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
[] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Atria in the north of Italy. There are rumors of a Liburnian resurgence, and they are a fearsome lot of pirates who nearly sacked our city. We must make sure that they do not rise again without our knowledge and attack us with a stronger fleet, and gather allies in such an eventuality.
I have a feeling there will be civic consequences for snubbing the gods , and 30 Talents isn't THAT much...
[] It is true that we need money for stone walls, but what kind of protection can we expect to have if we neglect the Gods? Poseidon can send a quake and break stone, Zeus can strike the city with a bolt of lightning, Athene can smash the gates and break down the walls. We must honor the gods or perish. [-30 talents].
BUILD THE WALL
[] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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I've edited the temple debt choice to make it possible to pay it off next year.
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Would it be reasonable to dip into the Sacred Treasury to pay off the Temple debts? Also for smoked anchovies would trade start this year or next year if we selected it?
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Dipping into the Sacred Treasury for non-emergency/war issues sets a bad precedent IMO, so probably not something we want to do.
[X] It is true that we need money for stone walls, but what kind of protection can we expect to have if we neglect the Gods? Poseidon can send a quake and break stone, Zeus can strike the city with a bolt of lightning, Athene can smash the gates and break down the walls. We must honor the gods or perish. [-30 talents, can be paid next year if you decide to build something].
[X] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Metapontion. We need allies among the Greeks, and if we do not get them we will be diplomatically isolated, relying only on Kerkyra and a pack of barbaroi. Not to mention we can hear more about the state of Greek Italia and Sicily.
[X] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
I want to save for the wall, but also to keep the Temples/Gods happy, since snubbing them also probably sets some unfortunate cultural precedents we probably don't want.
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Night_stalker
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[X] It is true that we need money for stone walls, but what kind of protection can we expect to have if we neglect the Gods? Poseidon can send a quake and break stone, Zeus can strike the city with a bolt of lightning, Athene can smash the gates and break down the walls. We must honor the gods or perish. [-30 talents, can be paid next year if you decide to build something].
[X] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Metapontion. We need allies among the Greeks, and if we do not get them we will be diplomatically isolated, relying only on Kerkyra and a pack of barbaroi. Not to mention we can hear more about the state of Greek Italia and Sicily.
[X] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
Are we sure we can't turn the Thunderbird into stew, and sell it?
[X] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Metapontion. We need allies among the Greeks, and if we do not get them we will be diplomatically isolated, relying only on Kerkyra and a pack of barbaroi. Not to mention we can hear more about the state of Greek Italia and Sicily.
[X] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
Especially since it's mostly due to the priests mucking up.
Are we sure we can't turn the Thunderbird into stew, and sell it?
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
Metapontion and Stone Wall are a must I believe. Just because we are flush on victory doesn't mean we can rest on our laurels.
Our own exploits have shown that the best defense for any City it's solid stone walls and we have neglected that far too much. We have been lucky thus far, but we cannot rely on that forever. Sooner or later someone is going to decimate our army or someone is going to try and pull a Kerkya "SUPRISE WARFLEET" on our ass. When that happens if we dont have stone walls we will be completely fucked.
As for Metapontion, I think the benefit are self evident. We lost Taras as an ally and gained their eternal hatred. So we need reliable Greek Allies to help us in times of war and matters of diplomacy, the Epulian League is right now too small to matter.
Our own exploits have shown that the best defense for any City it's solid stone walls and we have neglected that far too much. We have been lucky thus far, but we cannot rely on that forever. Sooner or later someone is going to decimate our army or someone is going to try and pull a Kerkya "SUPRISE WARFLEET" on our ass. When that happens if we dont have stone walls we will be completely fucked.
As for Metapontion, I think the benefit are self evident. We lost Taras as an ally and gained their eternal hatred. So we need reliable Greek Allies to help us in times of war and matters of diplomacy, the Epulian League is right now too small to matter.
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[X] It is true that we need money for stone walls, but what kind of protection can we expect to have if we neglect the Gods? Poseidon can send a quake and break stone, Zeus can strike the city with a bolt of lightning, Athene can smash the gates and break down the walls. We must honor the gods or perish. [-30 talents, can be paid next year if you decide to build something].
[X] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Metapontion. We need allies among the Greeks, and if we do not get them we will be diplomatically isolated, relying only on Kerkyra and a pack of barbaroi. Not to mention we can hear more about the state of Greek Italia and Sicily.
[X] Fishing Jetty [140 Talents, takes 1 year to build, will produce three units of Salted Anchovies immediately] Salted Anchoves are another trade resource, and a fishing jetty can encourage fishing among citizens, improving the city's naval and merchant tradition.
I think that building a Fishing Jetty will provide so many bonuses that it's basically a given. The barbaroi aren't going to be attacking immediately, and the Fishing Jetty will provide a large amount of extra income.
[X] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Metapontion. We need allies among the Greeks, and if we do not get them we will be diplomatically isolated, relying only on Kerkyra and a pack of barbaroi. Not to mention we can hear more about the state of Greek Italia and Sicily.
[X] Fishing Jetty [140 Talents, takes 1 year to build, will produce three units of Salted Anchovies immediately] Salted Anchoves are another trade resource, and a fishing jetty can encourage fishing among citizens, improving the city's naval and merchant tradition.
I think that building a Fishing Jetty will provide so many bonuses that it's basically a given. The barbaroi aren't going to be attacking immediately, and the Fishing Jetty will provide a large amount of extra income.
HanEmpire
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[X] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Canosa and then to the Dauni. We must get a good view of what the poltiical situation is in the area around Eretria, especially among our subjects and the Dauni. They are an unknown quantity and we must secure some kind of assurance from them of peace or else go to war.
[X] It is true that we need money for stone walls, but what kind of protection can we expect to have if we neglect the Gods? Poseidon can send a quake and break stone, Zeus can strike the city with a bolt of lightning, Athene can smash the gates and break down the walls. We must honor the gods or perish. [-30 talents, can be paid next year if you decide to build something].
[X] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
[X] It is true that we need money for stone walls, but what kind of protection can we expect to have if we neglect the Gods? Poseidon can send a quake and break stone, Zeus can strike the city with a bolt of lightning, Athene can smash the gates and break down the walls. We must honor the gods or perish. [-30 talents, can be paid next year if you decide to build something].
[X] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
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[X] It is true that we need money for stone walls, but what kind of protection can we expect to have if we neglect the Gods? Poseidon can send a quake and break stone, Zeus can strike the city with a bolt of lightning, Athene can smash the gates and break down the walls. We must honor the gods or perish. [-30 talents, can be paid next year if you decide to build something].
[X] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Canosa and then to the Dauni. We must get a good view of what the political situation is in the area around Eretria, especially among our subjects and the Dauni. They are an unknown quantity and we must secure some kind of assurance from them of peace or else go to war.
[X] Fishing Jetty [140 Talents, takes 1 year to build, will produce three units of Salted Anchovies immediately] Salted Anchoves are another trade resource, and a fishing jetty can encourage fishing among citizens, improving the city's naval and merchant tradition.
In the end our big problem is our net income is only in the range of starting a building if no other events occur that require funds, taking the Fishing Jetty will get us additional funds sooner. Olive Farm just will take too long to start turning a profit.
Edit: Changed Xeno vote to Canosa and Dauni, lets take care of our backyard first before looking further afield.
[X] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Canosa and then to the Dauni. We must get a good view of what the political situation is in the area around Eretria, especially among our subjects and the Dauni. They are an unknown quantity and we must secure some kind of assurance from them of peace or else go to war.
[X] Fishing Jetty [140 Talents, takes 1 year to build, will produce three units of Salted Anchovies immediately] Salted Anchoves are another trade resource, and a fishing jetty can encourage fishing among citizens, improving the city's naval and merchant tradition.
In the end our big problem is our net income is only in the range of starting a building if no other events occur that require funds, taking the Fishing Jetty will get us additional funds sooner. Olive Farm just will take too long to start turning a profit.
Edit: Changed Xeno vote to Canosa and Dauni, lets take care of our backyard first before looking further afield.
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[X] We cannot spend any more talents right now! The money can come later, but for the moment we absolutely must have enough money to fund the expense of stone walls. [No talents paid, Timaeus waives interest on the temple debt]
[X] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
[X] Don't Build Anything and wait to get money for the stone wall!
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
Our problem isn't the barbaroi. It's other City States, Greek Polis and Leagues.
Kerkya coming in with their fleet and strongarming us into abandoning Taras is a clear demonstration that the rest of the Mediterranean World is not just going to sit on their asses. Our success has attracted their interest for good and for ill. They will be making a move towards us eventually, and we will need the Stone Walls to help us resist that shit.
And of course, just because we've largely pacified the Peuketii doesn't mean much, is/when someone comes to kick us down they'd happily rise up and take back their lands.. The Dauni are united behind a ambitious and talented King. We know nothing of the Lucani but the debt for those sheeps will be paid one day. We no longer have Taras to help us against the Messapii and in fact in any potential conflict they'd likely happily help the Messapii fuck us over royally.
We are Not Safe. Our Successes have merely brought us some breathing room against annihilation. Eretria is still a city just barely dancing on a tread.
In our current state, it takes just one defeat for us to spiral into doom. Having a Stone Wall would be able to offset a lot of that.
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- Location
- Central Europe
What does immediately mean in this context? Am I correct in assuming that the +30 talents from the Salted Anchovies would only flow into our treasury by at the end of Turn 23? Meaning that they would only become available to spend in Turn 24?
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
Revenues will be available at the end of Turn 23.
- Location
- National Capital Region, USA
Lithocracy FOREVER! Do it!
....jokes about 'Drako's boning sessions in the market' beginning in 5, 4, 3...
....that's not just lewd, that's 'Yes, I Own A Vacation Home On Lesbos, Why Do You Ask?' Lewd.
TBF, that is an august, traditional argument that is usually very successful.
However, I would like to suggest a motion we send a party on the trail of Ankaparatos, and ask pointed questions about all that gold.
Are we inventing chariot bumper stickers now?
I think that just means you're not a very good storyteller, since unless you're doing it all through interpretive dance, I'm pretty sure there are still words involved.
Thus was Straton's mood to begin quietly writing plays for the city's theater increased, since the gods must surely smite them if their drama department continued to suck...
[X] We cannot spend any more talents right now! The money can come later, but for the moment we absolutely must have enough money to fund the expense of stone walls. [No talents paid, Timaeus waives interest on the temple debt]
Saving for the Wall is more important. The temples can wait a year.
[ ] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Metapontion. We need allies among the Greeks, and if we do not get them we will be diplomatically isolated, relying only on Kerkyra and a pack of barbaroi. Not to mention we can hear more about the state of Greek Italia and Sicily.
Being isolated and not tied in to the rest of the Hellenic part of Italy cost us before with Tara. We need to be on top of that, especially with Sicily possibly about to go boom. Herodion's fame there might help us out, too. Plus, we need to stay in better touch with our fellow Greeks anyhow, lest be become too much like the barbaroi in this westerly land.
EDIT: Fair enough, I've been persuaded that the North is more time-sensitive.
[X] Let us send our xenoparakletor to Canosa and then to the Dauni. We must get a good view of what the poltiical situation is in the area around Eretria, especially among our subjects and the Dauni. They are an unknown quantity and we must secure some kind of assurance from them of peace or else go to war.
[X] Olive Farm [120 Talents, takes 1 year to build, will produce five units of Olive Oil after five years] Olive Oil is a valuable trade resource that the city can ship abroad for export.]
We keep putting things off. We should plant this now, before more time passes, and then enjoy the benefits of a vital and valuable resource as Olive Oil. Even in Roman times, huge fortunes were based on the Olive Oil business.
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