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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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Sanas22 said:
.... What assumption? You made an assumption by saying that Sif would block Torunn from seeing Loki. You made that thing up, not me. This is hypocrisy at finest.
All I am saying is we can't act like idiots and go on making Asgardian clones without no reason or rhyme. Like we have no reason for it and neither has Amora asked us to do this. And I am making no assumptions here.

An assumption would be Asgard thinking that Loki is trying to overtake the Asgardians Throne by creating his own Super Asgardians Army.
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First off the reason I am wary about Sif is because she has repeatedly mentioned not being happy about some of Loki's actions in regards to Torunn that she didn't agree with and her last turn outright saying that wasn't happy with Loki 'wasting Torunn's time' with things like that. And considering that she threatened not to let Loki near her daughter if he kept that kind of thing up think it's pretty reasonable to be careful with upsetting Sif.

Second Egil the guardian of Asgard and close to Amora likely already her and he was the one that asked. And I do remember quote mentioning that she actually liked the idea.

The reason for the cloning facilities is because one of Asgard's main weaknesses is it's extremely low population numbering in the hundreds of thousands. In fact Kufufu brought up that a serious war with huge casualties would be disastrous for Asgard which is probably why the clone idea was liked by Amora.
 
Red Bovine said:
First off the reason I am wary about Sif is because she has repeatedly mentioned not being happy about some of Loki's actions in regards to Torunn that she didn't agree with and her last turn outright saying that wasn't happy with Loki 'wasting Torunn's time' with things like that. And considering that she threatened not to let Loki near her daughter if he kept that kind of thing up think it's pretty reasonable to be careful with upsetting Sif.

Second Egil the guardian of Asgard and close to Amora likely already her and he was the one that asked. And I do remember quote mentioning that she actually liked the idea.

The reason for the cloning facilities is because one of Asgard's main weaknesses is it's extremely low population numbering in the hundreds of thousands. In fact Kufufu brought up that a serious war with huge casualties would be disastrous for Asgard which is probably why the clone idea was liked by Amora.
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Again, increasing population through clones is is ridiculous, there's more effort to do that rather than having the asgardians themselves have children. If asgard has a population problem then they should start fucking.

Secondly Asgard is a continent, low population for the rest of the universe isn't the same as low population there.

I mean it's pretty obvious @DreamCWeaver was mind controlled into doing what he did, and we always give NPC free shit, so why should he be the exception? Especially when he did us a favour in saving Sigyn? You shouldn't hoard artifacts when Loki's "potential" is stopping him from carrying extra artifacts..
 
Red Bovine said:
First off the reason I am wary about Sif is because she has repeatedly mentioned not being happy about some of Loki's actions in regards to Torunn that she didn't agree with and her last turn outright saying that wasn't happy with Loki 'wasting Torunn's time' with things like that. And considering that she threatened not to let Loki near her daughter if he kept that kind of thing up think it's pretty reasonable to be careful with upsetting Sif.

Second Egil the guardian of Asgard and close to Amora likely already her and he was the one that asked. And I do remember quote mentioning that she actually liked the idea.

The reason for the cloning facilities is because one of Asgard's main weaknesses is it's extremely low population numbering in the hundreds of thousands. In fact Kufufu brought up that a serious war with huge casualties would be disastrous for Asgard which is probably why the clone idea was liked by Amora.
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Sif thing is true

The one thing is I'll advised unless you want Loki to look even more bipolar.

Asgard's low population isn't as seriously a problem as you think tbh. Also the clones weren't for people but for soldiers and cloning in general is bad of you want greater populations.
 
Mostlyblue said:
Again, increasing population through clones is is ridiculous, there's more effort to do that rather than having the asgardians themselves have children. If asgard has a population problem then they should start fucking.

Secondly Asgard is a continent, low population for the rest of the universe isn't the same as low population there.

I mean it's pretty obvious @DreamCWeaver was mind controlled into doing what he did, and we always give NPC free shit, so why should he be the exception? Especially when he did us a favour in saving Sigyn? You shouldn't hoard artifacts when Loki's "potential" is stopping him from carrying extra artifacts..
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Thing is that Asgardian's have a pretty low reproduction rate which is why cloning is the most effective way of increasing population since any other way is just extremely slow relative to most other races. I mean canonically Asgard does have a riduculously low population numbering in the hundreds of thousands while you have entire civilizations spread out through multiple planets. Hell, modern populations of Earth literally went from numbering into millions to billions in a thousand years while Asgards pop is still in the hundreds of thousands.

Also should note that again, we don't really know the guy and he is literally asking for an extremely powerful artifact that if he ends up misuing we can get into serious trouble for for giving it to some guy we didn't know well. At least the most powerful things we give to people we actually know.
DreamCWeaver said:
Fair, counter point my thing is time sensitive, and Ryt really did risk his life as that robot had over double my martial alone, not factoring in it's other strengths.

The people saying kill Tyr were also very serious sounding, a lot more then I was with my vague jokes, and I said I would because I was reminded of it. I had forgotten about Loki's body till then and planned to help you guys out.
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Counter point, can't you just have Ryt tell us what your plan is so that we can probably try to do it ourselves?
 
Red Bovine said:
Thing is that Asgardian's have a pretty low reproduction rate which is why cloning is the most effective way of increasing population since any other way is just extremely slow relative to most other races. I mean canonically Asgard does have a riduculously low population numbering in the hundreds of thousands while you have entire civilizations spread out through multiple planets. Hell, modern populations of Earth literally went from numbering into millions to billions in a thousand years while Asgards pop is still in the hundreds of thousands.

Also should note that again, we don't really know the guy and he is literally asking for an extremely powerful artifact that if he ends up misuing we can get into serious trouble for for giving it to some guy we didn't know well. At least the most powerful things we give to people we actually know.

Counter point, can't you just have Ryt tell us what your plan is so that we can probably try to do it ourselves?
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You quite literally couldn't do it yourself, and no I can't do to the rules knowledge set up.
 
I'm...pretty sure that the reason for Asgard's low population steems from their stupidly long longevity compared to most races. Why hurry with having a kid in your 1st century when you can live for millennia?
 
Red Bovine said:
Thing is that Asgardian's have a pretty low reproduction rate which is why cloning is the most effective way of increasing population since any other way is just extremely slow relative to most other races. I mean canonically Asgard does have a riduculously low population numbering in the hundreds of thousands while you have entire civilizations spread out through multiple planets. Hell, modern populations of Earth literally went from numbering into millions to billions in a thousand years while Asgards pop is still in the hundreds of thousands.

Also should note that again, we don't really know the guy and he is literally asking for an extremely powerful artifact that if he ends up misuing we can get into serious trouble for for giving it to some guy we didn't know well. At least the most powerful things we give to people we actually know.
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I mean they live for who knows how long, if they need a population boom that bad they should give incentives for having a kid, they already do that world wide for countries with low birth rates.

That's fair.
 
Mostlyblue said:
I mean they live for who knows how long, if they need a population boom that bad they should give incentives for having a kid, they already do that world wide for countries with low birth rates.

That's fair.
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Well its likely to have adverse effects for a species that lives that long. Genetic diversity is a major factor in not going extinct and a baby boom just shortens the clock.
 
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Red Bovine said:
First off the reason I am wary about Sif is because she has repeatedly mentioned not being happy about some of Loki's actions in regards to Torunn that she didn't agree with and her last turn outright saying that wasn't happy with Loki 'wasting Torunn's time' with things like that. And considering that she threatened not to let Loki near her daughter if he kept that kind of thing up think it's pretty reasonable to be careful with upsetting Sif.

Second Egil the guardian of Asgard and close to Amora likely already her and he was the one that asked. And I do remember quote mentioning that she actually liked the idea.

The reason for the cloning facilities is because one of Asgard's main weaknesses is it's extremely low population numbering in the hundreds of thousands. In fact Kufufu brought up that a serious war with huge casualties would be disastrous for Asgard which is probably why the clone idea was liked by Amora.
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@KnowledgeKing Will Sif bar Torunn from meeting Loki if normal Torunn action results in failure?

KnowledgeKing said:
Sure why not.
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@DreamCWeaver The stage is your buddy.
 
Sanas22 said:
@KnowledgeKing Will Sif bar Torunn from meeting Loki if normal Torunn action results in failure?


@DreamCWeaver The stage is your buddy.
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KnowledgeKing said:
Sure why not.
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Huh.....
Well fine then

I plan on going back and time to save the conscious of Odin and Frigga by going back in time and then coming back to place them in clone bodies. I'm the only one able to do it without chancing the well and the only one who knows the full requirements to do so. In order to accomplish that task I need at the very least 35 points in time, though having more would be best as I am afterall messing with time.
 
DreamCWeaver said:
Well its likely to have adverse effects for a species that lives that long. Genetic diversity is a major factor in not going extinct and a baby boom just shortens the clock.
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They need immigration then.
DreamCWeaver said:
Huh.....
Well fine then

I plan on going back and time to save the conscious of Odin and Frigga by going back in time and then coming back to place them in clone bodies. I'm the only one able to do it without chancing the well and the only one who knows the full requirements to do so. In order to accomplish that task I need at the very least 35 points in time, though having more would be best as I am afterall messing with time.
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But what's the point? Odin & Frigga in the current time are still stuck with the demons.
 
DreamCWeaver said:
Huh.....
Well fine then

I plan on going back and time to save the conscious of Odin and Frigga by going back in time and then coming back to place them in clone bodies. I'm the only one able to do it without chancing the well and the only one who knows the full requirements to do so. In order to accomplish that task I need at the very least 35 points in time, though having more would be best as I am afterall messing with time.
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Soulless Odin and Soulless Frigga... coz that's what this Quest needs.
 
DreamCWeaver said:
Not quite, their souls may be taken but Loki's work with living clones allows me to go back before Tyr sacrificed them, save their minds and thus effectively revive them.
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This I get, but isn't it possible to get back current time Odin & Frigga' back? I mean there's an option to learn more about the demons or is it impossible?
 
Sanas22 said:
So two clones with Odin and Frigga memories....
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With they're entire mind. I'm grabbing them and saving them, their souls aren't their conscious. You're quite obviously trying to fight against this, why I don't know, but perhaps you'd like to reveal something to the class since it's apparently show and tell.

@Mostlyblue kinda. I also have something for them but it won't happen for a long, long time and even then it may not work. They can't be revived at least, and partially due to Thor.
 
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DreamCWeaver said:
Huh.....
Well fine then

I plan on going back and time to save the conscious of Odin and Frigga by going back in time and then coming back to place them in clone bodies. I'm the only one able to do it without chancing the well and the only one who knows the full requirements to do so. In order to accomplish that task I need at the very least 35 points in time, though having more would be best as I am afterall messing with time.
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Bold of you to assume that only you can do it.
 
DreamCWeaver said:
With they're entire mind. I'm grabbing them and saving them, their souls aren't their conscious. You're quite obviously trying to fight against this, why I don't know, but perhaps you'd like to reveal something to the class since it's apparently show and tell.
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Think it might be due to the fact that unless we are missing something what you are suggesting is just creating clones that would just have their memories but technically be different people. Unless you meant their entire consciousness that is their original while their souls would be somewhere else.
 
Red Bovine said:
Think it might be due to the fact that unless we are missing something what you are suggesting is just creating clones that would just have their memories but technically be different people. Unless you meant their entire consciousness that is their original while their souls would be somewhere else.
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That's exactly what I mean, yes. It's the only reason Tyr didn't come back when Balder used the spear. That spear is special and the soul and conscious are different.
 
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