Sena Kumo
The Tenth Wandering Cloud
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...and people said we were lewd.
LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)
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Actually it is two actions to make it magical and you are making a big deal of this. Your the one losing it not me.
Edit: If the action isn't so important then why do you want it so bad.
Edit: What does checking the import and exports action do,? Will it allow Loki to take over Jotunheim's economy or at least open the way to that outcome? @KnowledgeKing
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Sena Kumo
The Tenth Wandering Cloud
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...can we eat one? You know, just a bite so Galactus won't get pissed.
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Because I keep pointing out all the reasons that would it make practical to make a forge as soon as possible and that we don't even need to be limited to a single forge. You say that we can just go to Pluto but forget that Thor thinking that we defected would put us in danger. Meaning that we are likely going to be limited to the Nine Realms until Thor is dealt with anyway. Even if Odin is willing to let us use Nidaveller he is unlikely to let our guild use it to make stuff like magi tech. We also should consider that he may not even be willing to let our the other guild just make normal stuff using it.
Throw in that stuff like this:
-[] Gather information about the specific imports and exports of Jotunheim. DC 20
That you put in your plan is not absolutely critical and can be switched out just makes it a huge headache in my opinion. So yeah, I have no idea why it's such a big deal to just put in a forge on Jotunheim since we wouldn't even be limited to making more forges with PF.
So it just doesn't accept stars? What about souls? Does the creepy well deal in souls?
The reason is that would be a wasted action like our former, pet , enchantment, hobby etc. You see the pattern here, these decisions are all decisions you pushed for under some thin premise and guess what we don't touch them. I had to push for gardening last turn just so it wouldn't become a waste and I tried pushing for Habok before but again it was only when it was too late did people want to reverse course. This would be another of those times, this wouldn't even solv anything. Odin would still need to be talked to if we were to use it, the same as building it on Asgard. The only way that doesn't work is if the forge is on Pluto. Once the regency is over no one is going to that forge and will just hit the dwarven one. Your also saying it is on action but it is not. There are always upgrades or tests that have to be done. The market research also isn't useless just because you say so. This like every other action will either lower DC or gates to something else.
The only way that forge makes sense is if we are using it within five turns. Even then we could just spend the next two turns putting it on Pluto. I also don't understand why you want two forges for magic and regular when it can be used for both.
Edit: @KnowledgeKing if we made the forge on Jotunheim would we still need to talk to Odin to use it once Loki's regency ends?
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1) No, I'm not saying that the market research is useless. Just not critical considering that we have people for that like how we had actual experts to deal in the financial side of PF despite us not having much actual financial skills. Even Loki in universe lampshades the financial thing.
2) People have actually pushed for Habrok before but a ton of shit kept happening draining us of time and unlike everyone else he didn't have skills that let us spend actions with him. Also don't look at me in regards to the garderning thing. Besides that we actually have used enchantments a number of times including to help cover up our fire weakness.
3) We literally cannot casually leave the Nine Realms for fear of Thor thinking we defected and doing something like murdering the shit out of us which is something we were explicitly warned about. Meaning that it doesn't seem like a good idea to actually travel to Pluto ourselves just to forge something when we can just do it in the Nine Realms or at least jotunheim and Asgard which are the safest options.
4) Alright, two actions. But two is something we can definitely spend on something like this.
5) I repeatedly keep saying that having multiple forging Guilds seems like a good idea since if we want to make something like magi tech more mass producible it would make sense to have a forge dedicated to it. And the issue with letting them use Nidaveller for that is that Odin has a bias against tech and even magi tech may not be something he approves of.
6) I call bull that we won't use forging since with the Dwarves dead we are literally the only person able to make the stuff since everyone else that is able to is incredibly unlikely or the cost too high. Especially since we are finally working on power armor magical power armor actually seems like something people can agree to. Especially since we actually need to stick to stuff with Thor being a danger we have to prepare for.
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No, you're just not capable and never will be of sacrificing a star. Your own or a loved one's soul can be sacrificed.
Odin? The guy who's asleep?
When he wakes up is what I mean.
Edit: @Red Bovine if Odin wakes up by the end of our regency then we will still have to go to him to forge inside of the nine realms. If he does not wake up then we don't need to ask.
Your entire point was based on the fact that we would waste actions asking Odin but building the forge will take more actions then asking Odin. So there is no reason to build one. The only time it will be useful will be if we stay as king of Jotunheim. Right now we are only staying for 5 years and we are likely not to touch it. What can we build that would be worth the AP with Loki's 4 in forging. Wait until we raise forging to build something respectable.
Market research is important to do before the 5 yr period is up. I want a strangle hold on Jotunheim's economy as a fail safe in case the crown betrays. All we have to do is pull the string and watch it fall like Janga. Market research is probably the entry point to do so that is why it is time sensitive. Your forge at the earliest would be finished turn two and used turn three. Meaning we would only have three turns to use it. Do you think that Loki's smithing skills will reach the point of respectable without access to Odin's Library and only three turns to grind stats.
Odin isn't likely to wake up any time soon meaning we can use the dwarves forge. If he does wake up we talk to him instead of using two turns to make a forge that won't be as good as the dwarves own.
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Yes if you want his approval.
We love Thor, does that count?
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Sure. Now get him to the well and force him to sacrifice his soul.
Haha. Jokes aside though, I remember not too long ago question was asked about sealing Thanos's soul which you confirmed as possible. Do souls get any value what so ever, as it's basically striping something from the natural cycle?
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Again the forge isn't just for us. It's for the guild because as I keep saying over and over again and over again having a guild means we need a freaking forge. And as I repeatedly pointed out the issue is that Odin may not like us using Nidaveller to have our guys create magi tech. And once again to make magi tech mass producible it makes sense for us to have forge dedicated to it that we actually control.
Another thing is that you are assuming that A) That we are not going to be king for more than 5 turns since something may come up and B) That Odin won't wake up soon. Being wrong about these assumptions means that it may even take longer than necessary.
Besides that as I keep saying having forges under our own control instead of whoever controls Asgard just makes sense so that we don't get screwed over if for some reason we can't use the one and only forge in the Nine Realms. Like now in that we can't use Nidaveller for who knows how long. This shit repeatedly happening is unacceptable.
And again any forge we make for personal reasons we own. Period.
Besides that we actually need a plan as when the hell to do the sacrifice since putting that off too long seems counter productive. Especially if we plan to use tech and magi tech to close the gap between us and Thor besides just relying on training.
As repeatedly mentioned the sacrifices have to actually have true value to us personally. People really need to stop trying to cheese the ritual since it's entirely missing the point. The only souls that are personally valuable to us is those closest to us and no way in hell is that happening.
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Personally I believe it brings up a rather important question, of how much does Loki value life. Thanos loved life and he didn't revel in its death, he saw it as a necessity. Hela killed indiscriminately viewing life as unimportant. Odin seems to value life, but only of those of his people. Thor lacks a value in life outside of his friends, and quest thor lacks even that. In general questers lack a value for any life that does not include their personal circle. I wish to know how much Loki shall value life.
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There is three things wrong with your argument:
1. When other people didn't want to have things under the control of Asgard, such as when someone proposed to move you called them control freaks. Yet your using the same argument.
2. Your moving the goal post just because you want it.
3. If it is for the guild then build it on Pluto a place with no government to bother it. Loki may not be able to go there but he can go to the dwarven one.
4. Just as you say I am assuming we are staying there for 5 turns even when it was confirmed by QM a while ago. Your going against that and making an assumption based on no IC or OC knowledge that it will be longer.
5. Even if we made the forge we can't build anything worth a damn. This is exactly like the mistake made with enchantment. People were impatient and instead of grinding the stat when it was getting the most returns attempted to enchant and made crap gear.
Just walk me through what's going though your head. We have 4 forging combined with the trait we have nine we aren't building anything worth a damn. Maybe build said forge after the stat is something respectable otherwise it is a waste. Look at when we were king and had the dwarven forge. We used it once on crappy gauntlets and never used it again. You wish to waste two options on something we won't be able to use for decades in quest unless Loki respecs or grinds the stat.
Edit: I think we should do what @Sanas22 suggests then we go make the sacrifice next turn to forging and learning depending how much we get on the same turn we sneak in to the library or ask Amora to finish forging skill.
You know what fine I will put in the forging option I doubt that it will be useful long term but short term might be ok.
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@KnowledgeKing if we take an action in Asgard like [] Try to get to know Sif. She is family...sort of. DC 95 can we use Sigyn with them since she is also in Asgard?
Changed the Loki options and dumped biology and market research options. For creating the forge and making the sacrifice.
Reasons:
1. With the learning boost we reach for Lokiforce.
2. Learning boost allows for serum creation faster.
3. Smithing allows the creation of stat boosters
4. Only intend to lose an eye, we can go back later.
Edit: Fine @Red Bovine I changed the plan, are you voting for it?
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Are you sure we can go back and how do you plan on explaining it to Sigyn in a way that won't have her try to convince us not to go back, or anyone else that might ask what happened , like Frigga, Amora, or anyone really......
Edit: losing an eye is not exactly subtle
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Ya we can go back Thor has been going back and forth for years. As for explanations we point out this is in self defense and since Thanos the Cosmos has been taking dumps on Loki because he was too peaceful. Loki won't start nothing but he is going to end it, besides better a cyclops then dead.
Edit: Honestly if the plan works we will snowball without having to go back.
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Frigga won't go for that explanation, instead of making a forge have Osmond make a prosthetic eye, I know it would not work but as long as it looked like a real one it would be fine, it would hide the fact Loki went in the first place, besides there is no way they won't have a problem with it if they thought we were going to go back.
We aren't going to see any of them this turn except Sigyn and we don't need to hide it from her she was there when we learned of it. Second out of the people who you named only Amora would know about the ritual and she would figure it out through magic sensing even if we hid the eye.
Alright, maybe I am just being paranoid, but I was under the impression that Frigga had magic sensing as well, and I thought we would see her on Baldur or Torunn's birthday, usually the entire family shows up for them don't they?
Don't know never been confirmed if they go in person.