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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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Red Bovine said:
Well Thor may have his own version of the Odin sleep that also leaves him weakened for a while or an enemy may seriously weaken him for a while. Besides that we can still build up as King and as King we get quite a bit of personal actions to build up along with King actions.
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I get all of this, but i still stand by point of actually being proactive once we consider we are ready and getting him out of the way.

Mostlyblue said:
I'll be frank and say that I'll be supporting any action that kills Thor and befriends Thanos. Thanos has always been friendly and supporting of Loki and it's so shitty that people see him as an enemy, but somehow not Thor, even though Thor did similar things.
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DreamCWeaver said:
Agree with you one the Thanos bit, he'll need the help.
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Agreed three.
 
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DreamCWeaver said:
Excuse me? You diss my idea that was based on the logic of increasing our forging and enchanting, but you put forth the idea of using the ritual immediately when we don't even have that much to give? While we're weakened? In response here's this, how about we don't go the magi-tech route with no guarantee it'll bring back a profit and instead focus on genuinely building up an array of things worth sacrifice.
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I think we should build our smithing in Jotunheim to something respectable before going to the well for sacrifice. Get it to at least 20 or so before pushing it.

@KnowledgeKing can a respec magic potion or serum be made using technology or magic?
 
Red Bovine said:
So in regards to the Reality Stone have people just considered asking Egil to get it for us considering that he already has Dark Magic and it would be the easiest way to get said stone?
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Have thought about it, and then immediately discarded it, Egil is loyal to Asgard not us so if there was something that powerful he would be obligated to tell tell whoever was currently ruling Asgard about it which would mean it would get put in the vault.

I want us to get more to sacrifice but we take control of the skrulls in two turns, Thor in character sheet says he will kill us should we defect, if he sees that as defection then, we are kind of screwed.
 
MRoy said:
Have thought about it, and then immediately discarded it, Egil is loyal to Asgard not us so if there was something that powerful he would be obligated to tell tell whoever was currently ruling Asgard about it which would mean it would get put in the vault.

I want us to get more to sacrifice but we take control of the skrulls in two turns, Thor in character sheet says he will kill us should we defect, if he sees that as defection then, we are kind of screwed.
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We won't be taking over just directing them in a direction using PF.
 
MRoy said:
Have thought about it, and then immediately discarded it, Egil is loyal to Asgard not us so if there was something that powerful he would be obligated to tell tell whoever was currently ruling Asgard about it which would mean it would get put in the vault.

I want us to get more to sacrifice but we take control of the skrulls in two turns, Thor in character sheet says he will kill us should we defect, if he sees that as defection then, we are kind of screwed.
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Yea, not interested in handing stone to Asgard.
 
MRoy said:
Have thought about it, and then immediately discarded it, Egil is loyal to Asgard not us so if there was something that powerful he would be obligated to tell tell whoever was currently ruling Asgard about it which would mean it would get put in the vault.

I want us to get more to sacrifice but we take control of the skrulls in two turns, Thor in character sheet says he will kill us should we defect, if he sees that as defection then, we are kind of screwed.
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Not really. Egil is loyal to Asgard, but I believe he's loyal to the people before the planet. Egil also sees the threat in Thor. I think, like , a thousand souls could definitely get some points from the well. The stronger the better.
 
DreamCWeaver said:
Agree with you one the Thanos bit, he'll need the help.

I'm sorry, but it's just a bit too early to run a planet.
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Let's just agree to disagree on this. People are going to run off to skrullos after this anyways and continue running a planet, so why not finish with Jotunheim first? I don't mind leaving jotunheim for something else as long as Sigyn & Loki have a child to take up the throne.

Also obligatory note, Thor is going to slaughter us if we choose to defect. And since people are planning on building up on skrullos outside of Asgards jurisdiction...
MRoy said:
Have thought about it, and then immediately discarded it, Egil is loyal to Asgard not us so if there was something that powerful he would be obligated to tell tell whoever was currently ruling Asgard about it which would mean it would get put in the vault.

I want us to get more to sacrifice but we take control of the skrulls in two turns, Thor in character sheet says he will kill us should we defect, if he sees that as defection then, we are kind of screwed.
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We've been relying on Egil too much, we should probably train hero units loyal to Loki and not to Asgard. To Egil Asgard comes first, not Loki. Mroy raises a strong point there.
 
DreamCWeaver said:
Not really. Egil is loyal to Asgard, but I believe he's loyal to the people before the planet. Egil also sees the threat in Thor. I think, like , a thousand souls could definitely get some points from the well. The stronger the better.
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No need to take a risk. Last time i supported a joke vote and we really didn't get nothing from it. Not anymore.

From here on nothing is free, so perfect serum for Jotunheim.
 
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Reminder, Norn's prophecy comes in five turns, so near the end of our reign in Jotunheim
I suspect it'll be a mind stone'd Thor, or something equally as bad.
 
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MRoy said:
Maybe we could talk to Amora about making the Skrull's allies to Asgard next turn?
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The nova empire cracked down on us for purchasing armies. Asgard imperialism isn't going to get a better response. Unless Lorelei gives Amora special treatment for being siblings. Hmmm, maybe we should work on Loki's socials cause he has 2 friends.
 
DreamCWeaver said:
Excuse me? You diss my idea that was based on the logic of increasing our forging and enchanting, but you put forth the idea of using the ritual immediately when we don't even have that much to give? While we're weakened? In response here's this, how about we don't go the magi-tech route with no guarantee it'll bring back a profit and instead focus on genuinely building up an array of things worth sacrifice.
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You are not listening. The issue I pointed out with relying way too much on spending huge amount of time on things like forging stuff to sacrifice is considering that what we would get from it would be worth it. This is why I say that people are getting greedy and focusing too much on the shinies to question if things work like they think they do. I mean while we know sacrificing things like eyes and limbs would get us stuff like like stat boosts things like items may just get us other items.

Basically people seem to want to gamble on getting more stuff rather then just taking a sure thing and taking advantage of that. I mean as pointed out a learning boost to our stat would be immensely useful in helping with our stats and we would have more opportunities to do stuff like create powerful artifacts, advance science and help with other magical artifacts instead of say spending a dozen turns making random crap just to sacrifice to get rewards that are ill defined.

Mostlyblue said:
We've been relying on Egil too much, we should probably train hero units loyal to Loki and not to Asgard. To Egil Asgard comes first, not Loki. Mroy raises a strong point there.
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Uh, not really. We tend to rely on a number of people from our assistants, to our bro Osmond when it comes to science and our wife Sigyn for a number of things. Having another ally to rely on isn't a bad thing.
 
Red Bovine said:
Uh, not really. We tend to rely on a number of people from our assistants, to our bro Osmond when it comes to science and our wife Sigyn for a number of things. Having another ally to rely on isn't a bad thing.
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All those listed are loyal to us first, ally with questionable loyalties is of no use.

Just look at joke vote, we gave him serum and got nothing. I believe we need to distance ourselves from Egil and only cooperate in matters concerning our common interests.
 
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Red Bovine said:
Uh, not really. We tend to rely on a number of people from our assistants, to our bro Osmond when it comes to science and our wife Sigyn for a number of things. Having another ally to rely on isn't a bad thing.
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Yeah that's not socials. We only have 1 person to run PF and Loki only has 2 actual friends, Osmond & Amora. Egil isn't a friend of Loki, he's loyal to the Asgardian crown.
MRoy said:
Did not mean making them a vassal or something like that, just a treaty or something that shows they are not enemies. Plus Nova already knows the Skrulls are under Loki
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Under PF yes, but not under Asgard. Does Asgard have a non aggression treaty with PF? You're right it's important! Now Thor can't attack PF willy nilly if he cares about the law.
 
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Red Bovine said:
You are not listening. The issue I pointed out with relying way too much on spending huge amount of time on things like forging stuff to sacrifice is considering that what we would get from it would be worth it. This is why I say that people are getting greedy and focusing too much on the shinies to question if things work like they think they do. I mean while we know sacrificing things like eyes and limbs would get us stuff like like stat boosts things like items may just get us other items.

Basically people seem to want to gamble on getting more stuff rather then just taking a sure thing and taking advantage of that. I mean as pointed out a learning boost to our stat would be immensely useful in helping with our stats and we would have more opportunities to do stuff like create powerful artifacts, advance science and help with other magical artifacts instead of say spending a dozen turns making random crap just to sacrifice to get rewards that are ill defined.
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This was a done with a steady amount of questioning. We asked if a boost would be provided. Not an items that boosts us, and if we get what we give then wouldn't Thor just get another eye. I feel like you're not considering that having more could and probably would be better to give, especially since we'll be waiting for at least two years? For the malus to wear off. I was hoping to boost forging and enchantments to get some pretty good gear and then from there we would begin tossing for better stuff. We have two years of rest at the very least. Though there are better options I suppose, in the case of maybe trying to learn a thing or two from Karnilla and Alfheim's leader.
 
DreamCWeaver said:
Not really. Egil is loyal to Asgard, but I believe he's loyal to the people before the planet. Egil also sees the threat in Thor. I think, like , a thousand souls could definitely get some points from the well. The stronger the better.
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This^^ Egil may be royal to Asgard but that may mean that he is pragmatic enough to take actions that would benefit Asgard the most and Loki is not only a prince but also shown to be loyal to Asgard on top of that. Think that we can come to an agreement with Egil if we can convince him it's in our best interest for everyone involved.
 
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