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I like LANCE. How about:
Loki's Academy for National Collective Enrichment
LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)
- Thread starter Black King
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Loki's Academy for National Collective Enrichment
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Just realized that Morpheus being able to bypass our defenses while infuriating makes sense if he has Odin's knowledge which would give him an idea of how to bypass said defenses.
Let me ask you how would the Kree know if they think they accidentally spied in Asgardians or this comes in a dream. Let me give you an example that unless he is god he won't find out about.
Loki goes to broker peace between the Kree and the Shapeshifters. Loki gets a call and leaves the room, the signal gets accidentally intercepted by Kree intelligence. Loki is talking with someone about the attacks on Asgard and how a scepter and a powerful AI was included in it. Now the Kree thinks they got the information by accident. Amora uses her mental magic to bring feelings of alarm in the spies and they give the report tinted by this paranoia. The supreme Intelligence seeing the threat of another powerful AI and a staff that allows Thanos to fight a powerful force of Asgard. They investigate for themselves and confirm this and then seeing the threat decide stop their war and Loki looks like a savior. Now the Kree think it's their idea not Loki directing them so who are they going to tell. Even if Thanos investigates he will see a report of them spying on Loki and just think they beat Loki's recent technology. The only way he could find out is if someone apart of the operation talks or he learns time magic or his people can somehow read intent. As long as we don't keep the operation on file or digital and only in people's minds.
If there are anything you can think of make a suggestion but again unless Thanos is god and can read intent he cannot say for certain Loki was tricking them or just lost the intelligence game. @Red Bovine
@KnowledgeKing is this new one better? This one Loki brokers peace which will allow the Kree to fight another war and Amora doesn't enter dreams.
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In general maybe. Only issues right now is...
Loki doesn't know if Amora can enter dreams.
And the Kree are currently at war.
But the idea in general could work, assuming you can find someone who doesn't have as much to lose, or if you end the war. And find another way to relay the info OR confirm someone can enter dreams.
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Once again you're plan pretty much relies on quite a bit of assumptions. Like, it heavily relies on quite a bit of assumptions and assuming how people would react. Which as I repeatedly pointed out can be wrong you have been wrong with your assumptions before. But to point something out Amora seems to have attracted the attention of someone and if said person happens to be a spy for Thanos and seeing as we haven't worked on cementing her loyalty we may be worried that she may let something slip Thanos would then know.
Besides that that whole scenario seems overly complicated and convoluted. And once again doesn't take into account that the Kree may just not see as a planet in another galaxy as some threat. Especially considering that they are already at war with the Skrull. Or taking into account that they may just take Thanos' stuff for their own meaning we have to worry about the freaking Kree who are fascist and genocidal conquerors getting access to Thanos' stuff. Or even the possibility of them joining forces. That's the issue with your plans, you only see positive outcomes and fail to consider the many possible negatives or that things may not happen as you think they would.
Besides that I just really don't want to encourage the whole 'attack, attack, attack!' mentality since that has just screwed us over already and we've already got confirmation that pissing off Thanos was a bad move. I can see you just keep trying to pushing for hostile action every single chance you get which isn't helped by the fact that you pretty much already do that and keep doing it even after the QM outright stated that antagonizing Thanos' was a horrible idea at this moment. So just going to disagree with that mentality and point out to how is already screwed us over.
Did you not just spell BALLCHIN? Who's the greater evil here.
First of all the second irritation of the plan doesn't need Amora to enter dreams and only to subtlely use her abilities to just give them a sense of dread. Even if we take her out of the plan it still works because the supreme Intelligence would want an infinity stone or just a powerful weapon that could cement their power over the universe. Remember Titan is preceved as a back water small empire and they would think it is easy. Even if the points above aren't the reason they would still want to get rid of a powerful AI. This is one of the things the supreme Intelligence does in 616. Something like Ultron would be a threat or a way to upgrade itself. @Red Bovine
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First off this isn't 616 so it likely won't apply. Second you haven't seem to considered that having the fascist genocidal conquest driven galactic wide empire to attack and sack a place full of extremely high tech including an AI equivalent to Ultron with a freaking Infinity Stone may not be the best idea. You also seem to be ignoring the other ways that could backfire like say Morpheus and Thanos hijacking the Supreme Intelligence and getting a massive boost.
The scenerio s you bring up would take a while and would at least soldify them in to one enemy. Another thing is that may happen anyway considering Thanos was allied with them in the MCU. If Thanos is as OP as the QM says he is then he should be able to at least stalemate for awhile. Loki uses spies to watch the war. They should cause damage to each other no matter who wins. By time your scenerios happen then it would buy Loki many turns to build up.
If we are going to play the game if what ifs and worse case scenerios then I can do it too. We wait like your suggesting and Thanos learns magic, magitech, healing, mind magic and when Odin wakes up declares war. Odin now has to go against an unmolested tech advanced, Ultron supported Titan with 3 artifacts studied and his knowledge. Asgard losses automatically and Odin dies for Hela to pop up.
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Will you stop it with the fear mongering? You already used that tactic to justify commencing hostilities only to be proven wrong by the QM themselves who outright stated that yes, playing the long game was the better option than being outright hostile. So your doom saying just seems to be an excuse to refuse to back down when the flaws in your argument was pointed out.
You yourself are fear mongering by saying what you said. You want to point out the worst case scenario then it is fair play I can to. You love to fear monger but hate it when someone else points out the same bad scenerios of your plans. Stop with your double standards.
Edit: Also how is this not long term? We aren't attacking him directly or getting involved.
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No, I keep pointing out your issue is that your plans strongly relies on assumptions and your plans going perfectly alright while also failing to consider any potential negative consequences. Which if you forgotten ended up screwing us over already.
Seriously, whenever I point out negative consequences you just come up with scenarios with only positive outcomes for us and assume only the absolute best outcomes will come true.
Again, your suggestion ignores the serious possible negative outcomes.
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The negative consequences you point out like them hijacking each other's stuff has no basis on our current knowledge. Thanos won't find out because all Loki is doing is passing on knowledge they could get on their own if they payed attention. Loki would just seem like he was going to a peace conference. Thanos was able to subvert our spies without Loki even noticing so it isn't so far to believe the Kree did too. Unless Thanos can sense intent then he can't find out. The worse case scenerios is the Kree do not go to war even with the info.
I am also pointing out that by time your scenerios come to pass Loki would have many turns of build up and take advantage of the tail end of the war. You keep on saying that I refuse to see bad scenerios and see the best ones. Well I can say the same if you. When pointed out you just call it fear mongering without giving reasons why it wrong or that you considered them. You just hide behind other quest and such.
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And this here is what I'm talking about in that you only assume particular outcomes that fit in with your plan. You have no idea how a war would turn out. You just assume that we would have time to build up and are blatantly ignoring scenarios like letting the Kree know about Titan potentially backfiring.
Also yes, it makes sense for them to want to take each others stuff. In canon MCU the Kree wanted to have Marvel as as a living weapon for them. For gods sake, Thanos literally stole some of our high level artifacts to use his own. Hell, you say the worst outcome is them just not going to war when it was pointed out that them joining forces could be a possibility or one of them subverting either side.
This pretty much goes back to the whole 'you seem to have trouble admitting that you could be wrong' issue I mentioned. Which seems to extend to you admitting that you may have been wrong about your assumptions which seems to lead to you doubling down and refusing to admit to any potential issues pointed out in your reasoning/planning. At the least I admit when people I disagree with do have legit points that make sense since I do try to consider all possible outcomes.
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Here is a framework for how we could implement the martial branch of L.A.N.C.E.
[] Train a specialized group of soldiers ("L.A.N.C.E. Agents/Faculty") DC 115
-[] Thor (Primary)
-[] Loki (Secondary)
-[] Amora (Secondary)
-[] Sif (Secondary)
To run the organization/train the potential elite soldier students to their maximum potential. They would need some stewardship to be able to administrate things as well.
[] Train a specialized group of soldiers ("Valkyrie") DC 115
-[] Sif (Primary)
-[] Amora (Primary)
-[] Thor (Tertiary)
We should try to rebuild this as well, not sure if we started this yet.
[] Train up one soldier to elite levels (random new person #1). DC ???
-[] Volstagg (Primary)
-[] Hogun (Secondary)
-[] Fandral (Tertiary)
[] Train up one soldier to elite levels (random new person #2). DC ???
-[] Hogun (Primary)
-[] Volstagg (Secondary)
-[] Tyr (Tertiary)
[] Train up one soldier to elite levels (random new person #3). DC ???
-[] Fandral (Primary)
-[] Tyr (Secondary)
-[] Volstagg (Tertiary)
[] Train up one soldier to elite levels (random new person #4). DC ???
-[] Tyr (Primary)
-[] Fandral (Secondary)
-[] Hogun (Tertiary)
The first 4 hero units/students of L.A.N.C.E., balanced out so hopefully we can get a few successes.
[] Write in Stewardship option: Create the first division of L.A.N.C.E. This first division is an boot camp/academy combination to produce spectacularly elite units of soldiers for physical prowess, skill, and tactics, and enroll the 4 random new persons above as the first class of L.A.N.C.E./trial run.
-[] Loki (Primary)
-[] Sigyn (Primary)
-[] Thor (Secondary)
-[] Sif (Tertiary)
-[] Amora (Tertiary)
[] Train a specialized group of soldiers ("L.A.N.C.E. Agents/Faculty") DC 115
-[] Thor (Primary)
-[] Loki (Secondary)
-[] Amora (Secondary)
-[] Sif (Secondary)
To run the organization/train the potential elite soldier students to their maximum potential. They would need some stewardship to be able to administrate things as well.
[] Train a specialized group of soldiers ("Valkyrie") DC 115
-[] Sif (Primary)
-[] Amora (Primary)
-[] Thor (Tertiary)
We should try to rebuild this as well, not sure if we started this yet.
[] Train up one soldier to elite levels (random new person #1). DC ???
-[] Volstagg (Primary)
-[] Hogun (Secondary)
-[] Fandral (Tertiary)
[] Train up one soldier to elite levels (random new person #2). DC ???
-[] Hogun (Primary)
-[] Volstagg (Secondary)
-[] Tyr (Tertiary)
[] Train up one soldier to elite levels (random new person #3). DC ???
-[] Fandral (Primary)
-[] Tyr (Secondary)
-[] Volstagg (Tertiary)
[] Train up one soldier to elite levels (random new person #4). DC ???
-[] Tyr (Primary)
-[] Fandral (Secondary)
-[] Hogun (Tertiary)
The first 4 hero units/students of L.A.N.C.E., balanced out so hopefully we can get a few successes.
[] Write in Stewardship option: Create the first division of L.A.N.C.E. This first division is an boot camp/academy combination to produce spectacularly elite units of soldiers for physical prowess, skill, and tactics, and enroll the 4 random new persons above as the first class of L.A.N.C.E./trial run.
-[] Loki (Primary)
-[] Sigyn (Primary)
-[] Thor (Secondary)
-[] Sif (Tertiary)
-[] Amora (Tertiary)
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Why not just improve the serum and use that to boost learning and martial?
@Red Bovine let's just agree to disagree and just leave it to the votes based on the arguments. I'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change my mind.
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Because we can do both.
Did you miss the whole conversation about how important hero units are? Also, The QM said: if we manage to train an OC or random new person elite soldier, we get an extra person to apply primary/secondary/tertiary actions to for kingdom actions?
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Sure but I'm pretty sure the QM is going to limit that if you try to mass produce that. Also why not try to make an AI. That's why I have Osmond looking for traces of Ultron. Study his corpses and construct an AI like Jarvis specialized in stewardship and anti AI warfare.
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I mean we literally created a business that in one turn expanded to reach the entire universe as a customer base despite only having the Asgard branch. (And maybe one or two other branches)
You clearly don't understand the QM's style.
If anything, the challenge of the idea might be from keeping these heroes organized, but that's why we are creating the L.A.N.C.E. organization in the first place, as a stewardship action, because that's what allows the creation of complicated systems.
You have my vote on L.A.N.C.E but only if we use chitauri space whales for mounts. Okay that was a joke, but do in fact expand to races outside of Asgardian. I think if we get some special divisions, a special characters to be teachers/leaders, maybe a mount class, a spy class, a tech class, and a magic class.
In hind sight it turned out pretty good that we failed those factory rolls and the new business. Just incase Morpheus is still just acting as a cyber sleeper agent in our system. Should probably put our top scientist on finding out how he hacked his way in and keeping him out.
In hind sight it turned out pretty good that we failed those factory rolls and the new business. Just incase Morpheus is still just acting as a cyber sleeper agent in our system. Should probably put our top scientist on finding out how he hacked his way in and keeping him out.
Already did Osmond found traces and sealed the holes in the palace system. The QM confirmed he didn't steal the formula. Still want to wipe the system of that and put it on books.
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Yeah that sounds like good expansions once we have the core of L.A.N.C.E. developed.
Still think we should build the AI first, bases on stewardship. It would help with building your idea considering Loki and Sigyn are the only units that have good stewardship.
Techno AI are off the table for me, I wanna make a Magical construct for filing and data records. Then I want to use him/her/them to mock Morpheus. He has a short fuse, I wanna see it blow. Imagine being the actual child and still being second fiddle to Loki. At least Thor had Odin.
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Let's make an AI when Thanos has the mind stone, superior technology, and a superior AI, to yoink all of our progress and disable our critical systems that are reliant on this AI.
And if our systems are not reliant on this AI, what's the point/benefit of building one?
Or, we can focus on our strengths: L.A.N.C.E.
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