EFW3
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- Location
- Charleston
Excuse me Homeworld has the most bullshit R&D
Limit Theory [PA Multicross SI]
Excuse me Homeworld has the most bullshit R&D
Tranquil Zebra
Equid of Peerless Tranquility
- Location
- Norway
Begging you pardon, but it seems this post is bereft of a threadmark. Other than that it was great, though. I also like the limited range and lag. If any commander could plug into already existing infrastructure and remote control a proxy from several systems away, any battle between them would be an endless slugfest. The whole wireless power and matter is plenty bullshit already.
ltmauve
"Excuse me?"
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- Earth
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While her ships are powerful Rachel does prefer to just swarm her enemies in endless waves of units.
Rachel doesn't have bullshit research yet. She does have pretty good development though, so she can redesign her units around weakness pretty fast
I have not yet begun to bullshit!
Not kidding. There's a huge gap in capabilities between Rachel and the other Commanders right now.
Gideon020
Really in the mood for ribs.
Eh, my particular brand of bullshit is just numbers so you'll be going past me soon enough.
ltmauve
"Excuse me?"
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- Earth
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Actually, how good is your unit control, just for comparison? I'm mainly using macros to manage my economy. Rachel actually has micro limits, which will come up soon(TM)
Gideon020
Really in the mood for ribs.
Eh, I ran a year-long campaign of extermination against the Borg using millions of units across thousands of planets while still being able to hold a conversation with people.
Nothing special really.
ltmauve
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- She/Her
That's more of a macro example, I guess.
Rachel could do the same thing. I suppose I'm thinking of Drich, Faith, and Fusou who can individually control all the units in their armies simultaneously. Rachel, on the other hand, is more limited in her command abilities. She has around 8,000 command groups, which is essentially like selecting a block of units and ordering them in the game. Except she can switch these groups around in instants. She can also control a unit individually and micro it, but that takes up one of her control groups.
So, the bulk of her forces are on autopilot mode (basically patrol this area) which means she doesn't need to use her control groups or any of her awareness to manage them.
And that's basically why Rachel would get her ass kicked by the other SIs: Because even though she can will kill them at macro by the end of Stargate, they can fight better at the micro level and kill her. We really haven't seen anything like this show up yet, because this is Stargate, where a dozen ships is a lot. And even in this AU a system lord only has maybe 50 ships to their name.
Chapter 26
ltmauve
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- Earth
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Chapter 26
30 July 2000I was initially concerned about Apophis's incoming fleet, however I quickly realized that I had three times his hyperspace speed so what he required a month and a half of travel to cover took only two weeks for my forces. After another week of expansion by my fleets I had covered all of the territories that he was drawing its forces from. Because of this it was relatively trivial for me to capture several of his ships. Send in troops under maximum stealth, wait until every one of the troops was in position and everything was covered, and then, only then did I capture them. Rather boring, rather effective.
This meant I had hard data on them, and I'm rather glad I avoided the inevitable battle. Not only because I had managed to avoid the inevitable murdering of more people by stray shots, but because it turns out that I would have killed everyone on the opposing side even trying to avoid that. "Standard" ha'taks, such as there was a standard, would only be able to take a shot at 20% power from a Skylord, not 80%. I suspected that Apophis, and all the System Lords, had upgraded technology on their own motherships. I couldn't check right now, as both Apophis and Cronus, the two System Lords I did have within my reach, had their motherships in hyperspace.
Meanwhile our "little" project was going well enough, considering we had to wait two days for the ships to make it outside of the galactic plane. Right now we were waiting for the ships to self-replicate to sufficient numbers that we could begin building in earnest. We were still sending ships from our colonized systems to supplement their numbers. The number of systems within our reach expanded at an increasing rate, thanks to the expansion macros. Both Lindy and I were working full time trying to get all the bugs worked out, but we were making progress, and we finally felt confident enough to let them go completely automatic.
And we had gotten access to a lot of systems. I suspected I could wipe out Cronus, Apophis, and all their vassals off the map right now. I would have done it, except then all the Goa'uld would have united against me and I'd be forced to kill a lot of people. I was also concerned about the chaos that would break out as everyone realized that the Goa'uld were gone. There was the Lucian alliance in canon, which wasn't as bad as the Goa'uld but was still pretty nasty. And countless other factions that doubtless showed up and started making a mess as soon as the Goa'uld got offed by the Replicators.
I was hopping around our systems, trying to capture all the ships that Apophis had marshalled before they attacked us and got wrecked. I had managed to capture 17 ha'taks, and 35 of what were called ha'keshes. Those weren't in the show. Take basically a triangular pyramid, or a d4 if you're a gamer, paint it the same shade of grey as an al'kesh, and strap as many guns as you could to it. They were hard to maintain, expensive to build, and only really useful in large fleet battles. And given that Goa'uld tech wasn't very impressive, they weren't very good destroyers. And while the larger ha'taks could be retrofitted with cloaking devices, these didn't have enough space to do that.
Speaking of cloaking devices, I had found the barren world where Cronus did his research and development. Including where he stuffed Niriti's personal cloaking device. Which I wanted, since having units that were only close to invisible while standing still wasn't very useful while I was trying to sneak around people.
I was watching the base using a Skitter for a few hours when I finally decided to move in. See, because the world was that harsh on the surface, Cronus had put the base underground, letting him avoid the elements and anyone seeing the base from orbit. Of course, that also meant that anyone in the base wouldn't be able to see anything on the surface.
Including a bunch of Settler Fabrication Vessels dropping down from orbit to eat the entire base. My spaceships could enter the atmosphere, they just weren't very maneuverable there. But that didn't matter when they were just going to hang over the base and dump enough nanomachines to flash-flood the place.
Nobody working the base even had time to start screaming before the fabricators reclaimed the entire base, leaving them naked in the bottom of a new hole in the ground. I sent a Osprey down to pick them up, having it drop several c-fabbers to herd them into position beneath the Osprey's ring transporter.
I actually had an updated version of the ring transporter. It only dropped down one thick ring, which unfolded a few arms to fully cover the space. I wasn't sure if these guys were shocked by it, because they were already panicking about the base getting eaten by purple mist.
With them loaded onto a prisoner transport, I had that head back to Penta-6. I'd been slowboating all of my prisoners around, instead of hauling them through teleporters. I didn't want to reveal I had those just yet. So they were stuck in cells for a week or two. Then they were going into the prison Lindy and I had made.
I'd grabbed tons of documents from Earth on the subject, plus some designs. The prison had been occupied for almost a week now, and there hadn't been much more than a fistfight. I felt fairly confident about holding my prisoners indefinitely, but I did want a better solution than that.
Which is why I was still waiting for some things to get done. Ugh, so much waiting.
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ltmauve
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- Earth
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Well both Rachel and I actually didn't plan on them finding out as much as they did, but considering... Yeah, you'll see Soon(TM)
Chapter 27
ltmauve
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Doublepost for the chapter people. Stuff is happening!
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30 July 2000
*Units under attack* *Units lost* Wait what, where? Oh, around that nebula there. Any units around there? Nope. Okay, let's look at what happened. I had a squadron of ships pop right out of hyperspace and get blown up immediately. So, either that means they can see through my stealth, or they can track things in hyperspace. One of those is a thing that I know Stargate tech can do. The other has a record of zero wins, 125 losses.
So it's probably someone with hyperspace sensors. I want it. So, since I can't sneak into the system - no, I can't exit hyperspace inside the system. They can't track my ships in realspace (I think) so I'll just have a massive fleet exit hyperspace outside the system. And I should split it up so that the ships come out of hyperspace all over the place, too. I don't want them just throwing nukes in front of the hyperspace portal until something gives up. With millions of exit points, they won't be able to cover them all. Then I can be certain my ships will be fine.
Alright, start queuing up all the ships from the nearest system that's been built up, try having a Pioneer pop in from a nearby system, and we're all set. Time to get back to the waiting.
*Units under attack* *Units lost*
Dammit.
These guys have multiple systems. That should have been obvious by the way they had hyperspace-related tech. Well, nothing left for me to do but keep going.
"Hey mom?" Lindy asks. Right. She also got the alerts.
"Yeah?"
"What's going on?" If I listened closely, I might notice the worry channel being used.
"It looks like there's a race with hyperspace scanners. I'm gonna yoink them. Eventually." I said, letting my frustration with the slow pace of my campaign leak into my voice. "And then I don't know. They seem pretty trigger happy, so that's going to make it difficult to end this peacefully. Though if that's just to avoid the Goa'uld, then I suppose I'll let it rest." I sigh. "And now we have to wait for units to get produced, and to get there. Then we'll actually have to figure out how to avoid hostilities with them."
"Well, I have no idea how to do that." Lindy commented. "So, you should be handling that."
"Yeah, I'll have a few hundred fleets ready from systems three days out. By that time we'll probably know precisely what systems are under their control by which colonization squadrons are blown up." I say. "However since we can't blockade them, all we could do would be to set up sensors to see if they're slipping out."
"Actually, it may be possible to create a hyperspace interdiction field." Lindy says. "The models we have for hyperspace indicate the hyperspace field is malleable enough that travel would be impossible. Of course, we do not have the capability to develop something like that currently."
"That would be nice. But let's not bog ourselves down with projects that are too large unless we can handle it." I say. "In addition, no race I remember from the show has that tech, so we probably won't get it here."
"Here?" Lindy queries.
"When I traveled to Earth, I found that it lacked any fiction that I had heard of. The show indicated that Stargate took place in the same universe, with the same fiction, as the viewers. I think that means that other such universes I thought as 'fictional' do in fact exist, and I may wind up in one of them. But again, let's not bog ourselves down in things that will take a while. In the meantime, we need to handle this universe's problems."
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2 August 2000
*Units lost* We didn't even get a 'units under attack' warning. I checked the count. Several c-fabbers, all at the same time. Failsafe?
"That's bad." Lindy states, with what would be for a person with normal emotive ranges as "full-blown panic."
"Indeed." I respond. "Do you want cover it?"
"Your familiarity with a fictional counterpart to this universe would make you the ideal person to deal with this." She stated. "I will move into position to handle the people with the hyperspace scanners."
"Alright." I said. I pulled up the sensor records of the c-fabbers as they moved about the facility, and tried to figure out what was going on here.
That stuff looked like what the show depicted as Ancient technology. Now considering that most Ancient stuff I found looked more like Lantean stuff, I was willing to bet that it was actually Ascended-derived technology. Shit. Alright, odds are that if they wanted to kill me for looking, they would have done that already.
So, go and talk I guess? Alright, the world looks like the one in that one episode of SG-1 where we do see the Ascended-derived technology, but I couldn't be sure. And what did I want from this outcome? Well, the Ascendtech would be nice, but I wasn't going to risk my destruction over it. What I wanted was more information about the Ascended, and possibly favor with them? Maybe I could get that. I was going to need favors to deal with Anubis, and possibly the Ori.
Alright then. Time to see what I can get out of this. I set up gates to the system, and prepared an Osprey and an avatar to speak to whoever just destroyed my units.
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Chapter 27
30 July 2000
*Units under attack* *Units lost* Wait what, where? Oh, around that nebula there. Any units around there? Nope. Okay, let's look at what happened. I had a squadron of ships pop right out of hyperspace and get blown up immediately. So, either that means they can see through my stealth, or they can track things in hyperspace. One of those is a thing that I know Stargate tech can do. The other has a record of zero wins, 125 losses.
So it's probably someone with hyperspace sensors. I want it. So, since I can't sneak into the system - no, I can't exit hyperspace inside the system. They can't track my ships in realspace (I think) so I'll just have a massive fleet exit hyperspace outside the system. And I should split it up so that the ships come out of hyperspace all over the place, too. I don't want them just throwing nukes in front of the hyperspace portal until something gives up. With millions of exit points, they won't be able to cover them all. Then I can be certain my ships will be fine.
Alright, start queuing up all the ships from the nearest system that's been built up, try having a Pioneer pop in from a nearby system, and we're all set. Time to get back to the waiting.
*Units under attack* *Units lost*
Dammit.
These guys have multiple systems. That should have been obvious by the way they had hyperspace-related tech. Well, nothing left for me to do but keep going.
"Hey mom?" Lindy asks. Right. She also got the alerts.
"Yeah?"
"What's going on?" If I listened closely, I might notice the worry channel being used.
"It looks like there's a race with hyperspace scanners. I'm gonna yoink them. Eventually." I said, letting my frustration with the slow pace of my campaign leak into my voice. "And then I don't know. They seem pretty trigger happy, so that's going to make it difficult to end this peacefully. Though if that's just to avoid the Goa'uld, then I suppose I'll let it rest." I sigh. "And now we have to wait for units to get produced, and to get there. Then we'll actually have to figure out how to avoid hostilities with them."
"Well, I have no idea how to do that." Lindy commented. "So, you should be handling that."
"Yeah, I'll have a few hundred fleets ready from systems three days out. By that time we'll probably know precisely what systems are under their control by which colonization squadrons are blown up." I say. "However since we can't blockade them, all we could do would be to set up sensors to see if they're slipping out."
"Actually, it may be possible to create a hyperspace interdiction field." Lindy says. "The models we have for hyperspace indicate the hyperspace field is malleable enough that travel would be impossible. Of course, we do not have the capability to develop something like that currently."
"That would be nice. But let's not bog ourselves down with projects that are too large unless we can handle it." I say. "In addition, no race I remember from the show has that tech, so we probably won't get it here."
"Here?" Lindy queries.
"When I traveled to Earth, I found that it lacked any fiction that I had heard of. The show indicated that Stargate took place in the same universe, with the same fiction, as the viewers. I think that means that other such universes I thought as 'fictional' do in fact exist, and I may wind up in one of them. But again, let's not bog ourselves down in things that will take a while. In the meantime, we need to handle this universe's problems."
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2 August 2000
*Units lost* We didn't even get a 'units under attack' warning. I checked the count. Several c-fabbers, all at the same time. Failsafe?
"That's bad." Lindy states, with what would be for a person with normal emotive ranges as "full-blown panic."
"Indeed." I respond. "Do you want cover it?"
"Your familiarity with a fictional counterpart to this universe would make you the ideal person to deal with this." She stated. "I will move into position to handle the people with the hyperspace scanners."
"Alright." I said. I pulled up the sensor records of the c-fabbers as they moved about the facility, and tried to figure out what was going on here.
That stuff looked like what the show depicted as Ancient technology. Now considering that most Ancient stuff I found looked more like Lantean stuff, I was willing to bet that it was actually Ascended-derived technology. Shit. Alright, odds are that if they wanted to kill me for looking, they would have done that already.
So, go and talk I guess? Alright, the world looks like the one in that one episode of SG-1 where we do see the Ascended-derived technology, but I couldn't be sure. And what did I want from this outcome? Well, the Ascendtech would be nice, but I wasn't going to risk my destruction over it. What I wanted was more information about the Ascended, and possibly favor with them? Maybe I could get that. I was going to need favors to deal with Anubis, and possibly the Ori.
Alright then. Time to see what I can get out of this. I set up gates to the system, and prepared an Osprey and an avatar to speak to whoever just destroyed my units.
FormlessAlien
Allergic to lightbulbs
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- A humanoid body
I wonder who has the Hyperspace sensors? I (being mostly unfamiliar with the shows) can't think of anyone...
Basically every major power in the show has hyperspace sensors. It is just that FTL speeds in Stargate make those completely worthless since they don't have the range to be useful.
Not really, Stargate Atlantis made use of FTL sensors to great effect against Wraith fleets.
Arafell
Verified Cephalon
- Location
- Oregon
Asgard, maybe? The Asgard would probably be wary of non-biological intelligence.
- Location
- Arizona
Yeah, I'm drawing a blank too. And considering I'm writing a Stargate segment too, that concerns me. Now, it might simply be an AU element that Itmauve is introducing, or maybe even something that was mentioned once in the 10+ years that the show was running. I don't know yet. But in most cases, BullshitSensors are used to detect targets in real-space when they transition back in (even if the distances involved mean that the sensors are naturally FTL).
That being said, RealSpace-to-Hyper/SubSpace sensors would be all kinds of awesome, especially since you might be able to reverse the tech and make sensors capable of scanning relapse from hyper/sub-space.
...I wonder what kind of data you'd get if you intentionally flew through a planet via hyperspace, and were using hyper-to-real space sensors? hmm.
(Please note: I'm using Hyper/Sub-space because hyperspace is the common word for other-dimension FTL, but Stargate also likes to use Subspace, especially when referring to stargates and exotic-physics devices.)
That being said, RealSpace-to-Hyper/SubSpace sensors would be all kinds of awesome, especially since you might be able to reverse the tech and make sensors capable of scanning relapse from hyper/sub-space.
...I wonder what kind of data you'd get if you intentionally flew through a planet via hyperspace, and were using hyper-to-real space sensors? hmm.
(Please note: I'm using Hyper/Sub-space because hyperspace is the common word for other-dimension FTL, but Stargate also likes to use Subspace, especially when referring to stargates and exotic-physics devices.)
ltmauve
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- Earth
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Nope. The Goa'uld and Wraith don't have hyperdrive sensors.
Actually, it depends on how big your sensor grid is and how fast your target is going. Lindy does get to use hyperspace sensors to derail a station of canon.
Also, if you want to intercept, then yes the ridiculous speeds of Stargate make them rather hard to use. If you just want to see if you have visitors sneaking in, then detection is enough.
Nope. It's a race that didn't have much fleshing out in the show, so I expanded them a bit.
Ashen gonna get trolled, and I made the Nox a bit less pacifistic stupid.
No.
Reese isn't even Ascendtech.
- Location
- Somewhere on the flat earth
Ohnes?
Reetoo(cannot spell that) the invisible starship trooper bug lookalikes?