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Libra's Lament, a Magical Girl Quest [Complete]

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Naron said:
You are making less and less sense with each edit, to be honest. I really can not make sense of this, sorry... so I better wait and hope Crys can explain this properly.


Heh... hey @ShadowAngelBeta, do you think Eva could convince her that she is her patron deity? :V
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okay look it was a metaphor for how Existence Bonus the works from my point of view. now i might be wrong but the way i'm looking at it doesn't make sense. i mean you can swing your weight offensively but not defensively? even if you only look a our existence as a weapon that doesn't mean it can't be used to defend.
 
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edja said:
i edited my post. also what you're saying actually adds weight to my argument
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That applies to everyone with an Existence Bonus.

They don't enter math from people having Existence Bonuses unless the attacks have Existence Bonuses.

There's nothing for the weight of your existence to push back against unless you're being attacked by something that's trying to push around its own weight. Your own defensive Existence Bonus is fighting something that doesn't exist.
 
kinigget said:
Why didn't we do any oF this when we had over a thousand EXP to spend?
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When did we ever have over a thousand EXP to spend? The latest big spending was of 800 XP, after PRIMORDIAL training montage.

EDIT: I actually rechecked, the highest amount of banked EXP we had was 900 XP, immediately prior to BLINDING LIGHT - where we invested in health, resilience, and Rico's damage spell.
 
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justinkal said:
That applies to everyone with an Existence Bonus.

They don't enter math from people having Existence Bonuses unless the attacks have Existence Bonuses.

There's nothing for the weight of your existence to push back against unless you're being attacked by something that's trying to push around its own weight. Your own defensive Existence Bonus is fighting something that doesn't exist.
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alright so your saying an Existence Bonus can only attack but my question is why? the Existence Bonus is described as attempting to crush an opponent with your existential weight,but and there's my question why can it only be used for offence?

edit. actually perhaps it would be better to think of it as intercept conflict
 
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Naron said:
Heh... hey @ShadowAngelBeta, do you think Eva could convince her that she is her patron deity? :V

Edit: For those wondering: Lunar Radiance
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Totally. And if she wouldn't before, she does now because I say she would. :V

Honestly, Solar Radiance might not (depends on how fucked in the head Crystal writes her), but Lunar would on account of the whole... animal thing. We're kids. Kids are adorable and to be protected and taught.
 
...oksy, so I remember having slightly more than we actually did

Still

I wanted to pock up the expensive things while we had the chance, get Rico and Eva cemented into their roles

No one went along with me

And now we're here
 
edja said:
alright so your saying an Existence Bonus can only attack but my question is why? the Existence Bonus is described as attempting to crush an opponent with your existential weight,but and there's my question why can it only be used for offence?
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justinkal said:
There's nothing for the weight of your existence to push back against unless you're being attacked by something that's trying to push around its own weight. Your own defensive Existence Bonus is fighting something that doesn't exist.
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That is why, basically.
It does act on the defense, but only when the offensive weight comes in first.

The existence does not come out to stop any normal magic or physical attacks is all; it only pushes back when someone tries to push their presence on you.


ShadowAngelBeta said:
Totally. And if she wouldn't before, she does now because I say she would. :V

Honestly, Solar Radiance might not (depends on how fucked in the head Crystal writes her), but Lunar would on account of the whole... animal thing. We're kids. Kids are adorable and to be protected and taught.
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Now I imagine someone being mean to the twins, only for big snek to show up behind that person. With ominous shadow and all...
 
I have been summoned.


Trying to parse the current conversation...

Existence bonuses are an added weight to one's action when interacting with the world. But the only come up when a high-order existence such as a Legend or Epic growth affinity magical girl, or Divine Entity is involved. And only when their attack is carrying the growth affinity.

Under normal circumstances, every mortal has virtually no defense against the bonus power given through the strength of their attacker's existence. Only someone else with a high order existence of their own can resist that expression.

But defensive bonuses from High Order Existences only crop up when combating another High Order Existence. It's a kind of underlying conceptual battle that normally doesn't matter in the immediate situation. Using @edja's "metaphor" (as confusing as it is), if you have three individuals and only two of them have an Existence Bonus, then those bonuses will only matter if one of them has an attack that carries an Existence Bonus.

Here's an example:

Girl A (Epic), attacks Girl B (Legend) = The Epic power comes up against the Legend defense.

Girl A (Epic), attacks Dumbass C = Dumbass C takes the full brunt of the extra Epic damage since he's somewhere he really shouldn't be.

Bumbass C, attacks Girl B (Legend) = The Legend bonus doesn't come into play at all because it's not a battle of existence vs existence.

Any questions?
 
edja said:
alright so your saying an Existence Bonus can only attack but my question is why? the Existence Bonus is described as attempting to crush an opponent with your existential weight,but and there's my question why can it only be used for offence?

edit. actually perhaps it would be better to think of it as intercept conflict
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The worldbuilding fluff for why I'll leave to Crystalwatcher.

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Ninja'd.

Although I'll also remind you that the above explanation uses some Growth Affinities that don't exist in this particular quest.
 
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Naron said:
Now I imagine someone being mean to the twins, only for big snek to show up behind them. With ominous shadow and all...
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Well, where one goes, the other does. So Solar would show up and Lunar at the very least would probably nag her into sticking around with Rico's (probable) hero worship. I imagine the twins would be very enthused to meet another Sun and Moon pair.

That would honestly fit fairly well in you system considering they were both mind-fucked hard enough to forcibly change their innate Affinities.

Huh.
 
ShadowAngelBeta said:
Well, where one goes, the other does. So Solar would show up and Lunar at the very least would probably nag her into sticking around with Rico's (probable) hero worship. I imagine the twins would be very enthused to meet another Sun and Moon pair.

That would honestly fit fairly well in you system considering they were both mind-fucked hard enough to forcibly change their innate Affinities.

Huh.
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Now that you mention it... yes, they probably would.

That might make for an interesting crossover-Omake... need to think about it.
But yes, Eva and Rico would love to meet their "seniors".
 
Crystalwatcher said:
I have been summoned.


Trying to parse the current conversation...

Existence bonuses are an added weight to one's action when interacting with the world. But the only come up when a high-order existence such as a Legend or Epic growth affinity magical girl, or Divine Entity is involved. And only when their attack is carrying the growth affinity.

Under normal circumstances, every mortal has virtually no defense against the bonus power given through the strength of their attacker's existence. Only someone else with a high order existence of their own can resist that expression.

But defensive bonuses from High Order Existences only crop up when combating another High Order Existence. It's a kind of underlying conceptual battle that normally doesn't matter in the immediate situation. Using @edja's "metaphor" (as confusing as it is), if you have three individuals and only two of them have an Existence Bonus, then those bonuses will only matter if one of them has an attack that carries an Existence Bonus.

Here's an example:

Girl A (Epic), attacks Girl B (Legend) = The Epic power comes up against the Legend defense.

Girl A (Epic), attacks Dumbass C = Dumbass C takes the full brunt of the extra Epic damage since he's somewhere he really shouldn't be.

Bumbass C, attacks Girl B (Legend) = The Legend bonus doesn't come into play at all because it's not a battle of existence vs existence.

Any questions?
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yes so you can apply the Existence Bonus on offence only because there's something to push against what are they pushing against?
 
edja said:
yes so you can apply the Existence Bonus on offence only because there's something to push against what are they pushing against?
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No, you can only apply an Existence Bonus to offense if the attack has the Growth Affinity on it.

See how Abyss Knight's weapon says "Affinities: Horror | Ruin | Myth", but her spell says "Affinities: Horror | Ruin"? That means that attacks from her weapon will use her Existence Bonus offensively but attacks from her spell will NOT use her Existence Bonus offensively.
 
Crystalwatcher said:
I have been summoned.


Trying to parse the current conversation...

Existence bonuses are an added weight to one's action when interacting with the world. But the only come up when a high-order existence such as a Legend or Epic growth affinity magical girl, or Divine Entity is involved. And only when their attack is carrying the growth affinity.

Under normal circumstances, every mortal has virtually no defense against the bonus power given through the strength of their attacker's existence. Only someone else with a high order existence of their own can resist that expression.

But defensive bonuses from High Order Existences only crop up when combating another High Order Existence. It's a kind of underlying conceptual battle that normally doesn't matter in the immediate situation. Using @edja's "metaphor" (as confusing as it is), if you have three individuals and only two of them have an Existence Bonus, then those bonuses will only matter if one of them has an attack that carries an Existence Bonus.

Here's an example:

Girl A (Epic), attacks Girl B (Legend) = The Epic power comes up against the Legend defense.

Girl A (Epic), attacks Dumbass C = Dumbass C takes the full brunt of the extra Epic damage since he's somewhere he really shouldn't be.

Bumbass C, attacks Girl B (Legend) = The Legend bonus doesn't come into play at all because it's not a battle of existence vs existence.

Any questions?
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Weren't there a few Abilities that tinker with Existence Bonuses? Offender, Defender and Trans Smasher IIRC? How do they change things?

And will for example Defender provide that Legend Bonus when Dumbass C attacks Girl B (Legend) somehow?
 
edja said:
yes so you can apply the Existence Bonus on offence only because there's something to push against what are they pushing against?
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If one side uses an attack that has their Growth Affinity added to it, then they're throwing extra weight into the attack.

Having something to push against doesn't matter.

Faraway-R said:
And will for example Defender provide that Legend Bonus when Dumbass C attacks Girl B (Legend) somehow?
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Artificially, but yes.
 
Faraway-R said:
Weren't there a few Abilities that tinker with Existence Bonuses? Offender, Defender and Trans Smasher IIRC? How do they change things?
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When Offender and Defender are on buff spells, they simply give a large boost to the relevant stat. If a buff spell carries an Existence Bonus, it'll let the receiver use that Existence Bonus artificially.

Trans-Smasher removes the other guy's ability to resist your weight.
 
justinkal said:
No, you can only apply an Existence Bonus to offense if the attack has the Growth Affinity on it.

See how Abyss Knight's weapon says "Affinities: Horror | Ruin | Myth", but her spell says "Affinities: Horror | Ruin"? That means that attacks from her weapon will use her Existence Bonus offensively but attacks from her spell will NOT use her Existence Bonus offensively.
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if you had read one of my earlier posts i noted that i understood that. what i was ask was that the Existence Bonus exists because you have both the weight and leverage what are you crushing exactly?

@Crystalwatcher okay can you use your Existence Bonus in an intercept conflict? if you have the appropriate stuff of course.
 
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