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Libra's Lament, a Magical Girl Quest [Complete]

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Faraway-R said:
Specifically, that Double Cast and the like all use the same Magic Modifier roll, while Multi-Caster grants separate rolls.
Additionally, that Double Cast are all the same spell, while Multi-Caster grants the possibility of mix-and-match.

In other words:
1) Yes, the separate calculation of damage of each proc is a fact.
2) No, there has yet to be evidence that they must go in as separate attacks - and it's even explicitly stated in the Multi-Caster description that it's "cast several spells simultaneously".
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First, on the MM + multihit thing, inconsistency about that came up in Rukia's quest, and Crystalwatcher chimed in that he himself is inconsistent about it depending on how much RNG he feels like involving at that moment.

Also, I did find this conversation while searching Discord. Ignore the silly channel specific nicknames.
Yūki Yūna - 10/12/2017
When Echo activates, it functionally re-casts the spell from the start on top of the initial cast. Repeat until Echo stops activating.

Vertex - 10/12/2017
So it's like Multi-Caster in terms of math?

Yūki Yūna - 10/12/2017
More or less.
But in this case, it just keeps going.

Vertex - 10/12/2017
So the initial cast and the echo go up against the Defensive String separately?

Yūki Yūna - 10/12/2017
Yes.
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Not quite about Multi-Caster itself, but it does say that Echo does separate calculations and that Echo's math is similar to Multi-Caster's math.
 
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justinkal said:
First, on the MM + multihit thing, inconsistency about that came up in Rukia's quest, and Crystalwatcher chimes in that he himself is inconsistent about it depending on how much RNG he feels like involving at that moment.

Also, I did find this conversation while searching Discord. Ignore the silly channel specific nicknames.

Not quite about Multi-Caster itself, but it does say that Echo does separate calculations and that Echo's math is similar to Multi-Caster's math.
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Still not entirely convinced, but the interpretation of "you have to be this experienced" (i.e. have decent levels of spells involved) is an acceptable compromise.

Would also note that Echo might work the way it does because it checks for whether it procs Echo in the end of the damage conflict. Meaning - after the Final End Damage is gotten and has reduced health (or splashed on resilience).

Meanwhile, Multi-Caster explicitly initiates all the spells simultaneously - which makes unified damage possible because all the spells are already there.
 
Faraway-R said:
Still not entirely convinced, but the interpretation of "you have to be this experienced" (i.e. have decent levels of spells involved) is an acceptable compromise.

Would also note that Echo might work the way it does because it checks for whether it procs Echo in the end of the damage conflict. Meaning - after the Final End Damage is gotten and has reduced health (or splashed on resilience).

Meanwhile, Multi-Caster explicitly initiates all the spells simultaneously - which makes unified damage possible because all the spells are already there.
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Crystalwatcher is online now, and finally gave an answer.
Discord said:
Me:
Also, mind settling some confusion about
1) When Silver Hero attacked Michael, why did she cast 5 spells instead of 6 [Multi-Caster (Lvl 5)]?
2) Why did all 5 spells get treated as a single damage calculation?

Crystalwatcher:
1) See 2
2) She was leveraging Soft Mechanics. After someone reaches a certain point in speed/actions, they're able to learn how to hit fast enough thier attacks virtually fire simultaneously all at once. It's something Lucky has been touching upon herself, and what Silver Hero pulled off.
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Seems my guess about how she broke the rules was correct.
 
justinkal said:
Crystalwatcher is online now, and finally gave an answer.

Seems my guess about how she broke the rules was correct.
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Agreed. So definitely a case of "you have to be this experienced" after all. Probably a ballpark of 15-20 in spells involved.

As an interesting coincidence Silver Hero cast 3x Genocide Rain and 2x Mana Blast, while having levels 30 and 20 correspondingly. That makes a soft rule of "for every 10 full levels in a spell you can include 1 (one) instance of spell in Unified Damage when casting it through Multi-Caster".
 
Faraway-R said:
Agreed. So definitely a case of "you have to be this experienced" after all. Probably a ballpark of 15-20 in spells involved.

As an interesting coincidence Silver Hero cast 3x Genocide Rain and 2x Mana Blast, while having levels 30 and 20 correspondingly. That makes a soft rule of "for every 10 full levels in a spell you can include 1 (one) instance of spell in Unified Damage when casting it through Multi-Caster".
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Also worth noting that she was casting 5 spells instead of her maximum possible of 6. That seems to also have an effect on the ability to unify the damage.
 
justinkal said:
Also worth noting that she was casting 5 spells instead of her maximum possible of 6. That seems to also have an effect on the ability to unify the damage.
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Quite likely. Lower number of spells for the sake of better control.

Or she was limiting herself for the sake of terms of duel.

Her last damaging spell was an army-killer, but she was involved in a one-on-one challenge and had no more place for her targeted spells.

Either is fine to me.
 
No more coming in... I guess it is time to close the votes.
Adhoc vote count started by Naron on Nov 8, 2017 at 10:16 AM, finished with 1630 posts and 10 votes.
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Naron said:
No more coming in... I guess it is time to close the votes.
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Wait what?
  1. [X] Ask...
    -[X] What do you plan to build for the future?
    Number of voters: 3
    LightLan, Faraway-R, MilitaryAaa
  1. [x] Ask what happened to the city.
  2. [x] What was that about the raid in the north?
    Number of voters: 3
    Nevill, SkyLing, veekie
We need a tie-breaker.

The first one (if it wins) will, by my request have us ask a question how Abyss Knight intends to solve the dilemma of "magical girls are born of humanity, how will magical girls be born once there's no humanity left?" - since AK is reportedly aiming for just that, wiping out the humans.
 
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She asked 'any questions', plural. Why choose one when we can ask both? It's not like they are unrelated.

As for wiping out humanity, please remember that it was Bianca's take, and she admits to having little to no intel on Yggdrasil. I'd like to know myself how much truth is there to it.
 
Naron said:
Huh... good point.
I actually just figured the girls can ask all of those... but if you want a tiebreaker, I do not mind.
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Nevill said:
She asked 'any questions', plural. Why choose one when we can ask both? It's not like they are unrelated.

As for wiping out humanity, please remember that it was Bianca's take, and she admits to having little to no intel on Yggdrasil. I'd like to know myself how much truth is there to it.
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Fair enough. If we can do all the questions, then do

[ ] ALL OF THE QUESTIONS

EDIT: And the tie-breaker was for the vote I didn't make... me and my big mouth. :cry:
 
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[x] Ask what happened to the city.
[x] What was that about the raid in the north?

Tie-breaker incoming.

Even if I can answer the first Question myself.
 
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Nevill said:
She asked 'any questions', plural. Why choose one when we can ask both? It's not like they are unrelated.

As for wiping out humanity, please remember that it was Bianca's take, and she admits to having little to no intel on Yggdrasil. I'd like to know myself how much truth is there to it.
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As I understand it myself, Bianca know what they do but not all of the things within Yggdrasil. Because killing people dont let much room for misunderstandings.
 
Bianca knows they kill people. However, stating that their goal is wiping out humans completely is hard for me to understand. If they break the spine of the military in a given region - whom they are at odds with, yeah, - then what do they get out of killing civilians? They are not in competition for resourses, and they can only replenish their numbers by recruiting awakened normies. Even if they are engaging in a scorched earth tactics - making sure the land can't be reclaimed with reinforcements, - it only makes sense while they are on the defensive.

It would make more sense to me if that was merely a simplification or lack of information on Bianca's part.

Dragou said:
Because killing people dont let much room for misunderstandings.
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What kind of people, what for, and for what kind of reasons? Plenty of room if you ask me.
 
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Nevill said:
What kind of people, what for, and for what kind of reasons? Plenty of room if you ask me.
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The way it's been presented, "the non-magical kind of people and the magical girls that actively protect them", for reasons of "they are killing magical girls, it's kill or be killed so let's kill them all".

We do know they don't attack MGs that do not agree with them, so long as those MGs don't actively protect non-magical humans.
 
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Nevill said:
Bianca knows they kill people. However, stating that their goal is wiping out humans completely is hard for me to understand. If they break the spine of the military in a given region - whom they are at odds with, yeah, - then what do they get out of killing civilians? They are not in competition for resourses, and they can only replenish their numbers by recruiting awakened normies. Even if they are engaging in a scorched earth tactics - making sure the land can't be reclaimed with reinforcements, - it only makes sense while they are on the defensive.

It would make more sense to me if that was merely a simplification or lack of information on Bianca's part.


What kind of people, what for, and for what kind of reasons? Plenty of room if you ask me.
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as for what we know and Bianca know and will most likely have proof is that they kill ALL humans, even the civilians. Ygg does this because they dont like/trust humanity. What she think this will led to is another story, besides the fact that she is just a teenager. I doubt she thought that all trough and btw Bianca seems to know more about Abyss Knight than she told the twins. Just read "dream" with Bianca again.
 
Of course the person with the affinities of courage and happiness dies, man this world is so depressing.:sad:

She's one the the four seasons right? That might mean someone is trying to start something with Kibo. So was it like Rukia's path to victory girl? The dice didn't like her?
 
MilitaryAaa said:
She's one the the four seasons right? That might mean someone is trying to start something with Kibo. So was it like Rukia's path to victory girl? The dice didn't like her?
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The Season is Winter's Dream. Fallen Snow was... an odd one; you would have met her, had you not screwed my original plan.
(And please remember I am not rolling any dice)

As it stood, she took offense with the wrong person attacking her friends. I am writing up the combat log, will be done in a moment.
 
Dragou said:
as for what we know and Bianca know and will most likely have proof is that they kill ALL humans, even the civilians. Ygg does this because they dont like/trust humanity. What she think this will led to is another story, besides the fact that she is just a teenager. I doubt she thought that all trough and btw Bianca seems to know more about Abyss Knight than she told the twins. Just read "dream" with Bianca again.
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Skimmed it, remembered this bit.
Naron said:
Bianca knew so very well that Abyss Knight was not wrong, even when she was doing little more than throwing a superpowered temper tantrum. The twins would know as well... and if they were made to choose too early... if they chose destruction over peace... could she really fight them? Drag them into a better future kicking and screaming?
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Kinda hard to say 'genociding a species is not wrong'.

What else is there that you are referring to?

And I think you are missing the point, or it is me who doesn't make it clear enough. I didn't say they aren't killing civilians, though I have stated that specifically targeting them is where I draw the line. What I said is that there is plenty of room for misunderstanding even if the facts align with Bianca's view.

To get away from any RL analogies and the associated cans of worms, let's instead look at... say, Starcraft. The reason for enmity between the Terrans and the Protoss was the complete destruction of Chau Sara colony by the latter. The Terrans saw their side of thing, a ruthless alien aggressor declaring war by annihilating one of the planets in the core worlds. The Protoss saw a solution to the Zerg infestation that Terrans were unaware of at the time.

The example isn't particularly applicable to our case, but what it illustrates is that even something as seemingly immutable as facts can have vastly different interpretations, depending on which ones are available to the observer.

So when things don't make sense, my initial reaction is to assume that we might be missing something.

Naron said:
you would have met her, had you not screwed my original plan.
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Great, so now it's our fault. :rolleyes:
 
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