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Mandemon said:
Oh, you want something to boo, boo at Bandai. After the end of Witch from Mercury, they tried to push whole "their relationship is up to interpretation".
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That I would say was more a really dumb attempt of them to try and protect their bottom line then anything else.

I mean I know that Japan is a culture that tends to treat relationships as something you don't show off in public, but if you meant for it to be up to interpretation, you wouldn't of had them wearing wedding rings.
 
Witch from Mercury really doesn't have any ambiguity in it, though.

You can claim it's "open to interpretation" but they wrote out the entire fucking equation in exacting detail and only left the final answer blank. It's obvious what the intended interpretation is.
 
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Mandemon said:
That depends how we define yuri.

Is yuri a story where prime focus is relationship between two females? Then no, it isn't. The focus of the series is very much on found family dynamic and comedy, not in personal relationship of main cast.

Tohru is pretty obviously in love with Kobayashi. Elma loves both Tohru and Kobayashi. Tohru also very much cares about Elma, despite her insistence of other wise(FFS, she crashed her wedding). Key here is that Kobayashi herself is not quite sure where she lands. She does care for Tohru, and does want her in her life, but she is not sure if she can respond in the same feelings that Tohru has. Oh she does eventually admit she does love Tohru, but well.. it's not quite the same as with Tohru, and it doesn't really change anything between two.

I doubt we will ever get proper confession or confirmation on Kobayashis stance, since the series doesn't really focus on romance.
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The issue with that interpretation is that would make Utena not yuri.

It also would mean that only LN 8 of Otherside Picnic is yuri as it is only until then that the story truly focuses on the relationship.

In fact it would make a lot of thematic yuri not yuri because they usually have other stuff going on that take priority.
 
Mandemon said:
That depends how we define yuri.

Is yuri a story where prime focus is relationship between two females? Then no, it isn't. The focus of the series is very much on found family dynamic and comedy, not in personal relationship of main cast.

Tohru is pretty obviously in love with Kobayashi. Elma loves both Tohru and Kobayashi. Tohru also very much cares about Elma, despite her insistence of other wise(FFS, she crashed her wedding). Key here is that Kobayashi herself is not quite sure where she lands. She does care for Tohru, and does want her in her life, but she is not sure if she can respond in the same feelings that Tohru has. Oh she does eventually admit she does love Tohru, but well.. it's not quite the same as with Tohru, and it doesn't really change anything between two.

I doubt we will ever get proper confession or confirmation on Kobayashis stance, since the series doesn't really focus on romance.
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A part of it is, I think, due to how "a yuri story" tends to bring to mind the main character being one of the members of the romantic pairing. If side characters pair off, that seems to not count.

After all, there's Takiya and Fafnir, who are (admittedly more so in the anime) almost certainly together, but I don't think people would consider the show overall a BL story. Or Kanna and Saikawa, where Saikawa is clearly and obviously crushing hard on Kanna, but that's not brought up as the example of the show being a yuri story, possibly because they're in grade school.
 
Shanejayell said:
I'm in Love with the Villainess is moving along nicely.
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It'll be fascinating to see how that particular discussion they kept in for episode 3 will go down in Japan.

Also, I don't usually watch the dub... but Rae's english VA is totally killing it. She's having so much fun, it's great enough that I'm rewatching each episode for them alone.
 
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I was just impressed they had an actual onscreen conversation about sexuality, rather than dancing around gay folk existing. The blonde girl Rae's got a giant crush on also got lectured on her first impulse of 'ew' being quite hurtful, which was nice.
 
The books also had a discussion of trans issues in a later arc, it'll be interesting to see if that makes it into the show.
 
Kibou no Chikara ~Otona Pretty Cure '23~ or Power of Hope ~Precure Full Bloom~, a spin-off/sequel of the Yes 5 and Splash Star series just released its third episode which had an interesting surprise during it.

Kurumi pretty much confessed to Karen that she loves her. No beating around the bush, no using metaphors, Kurumi confessed. She did have to be three sheets to the wind drunk to say it, and Karen didn't give an answer, but we can say that there is a Lesbian Pretty Cure couple that is text and not subtext.
 
Paleb05 said:
Kibou no Chikara ~Otona Pretty Cure '23~ or Power of Hope ~Precure Full Bloom~, a spin-off/sequel of the Yes 5 and Splash Star series just released its third episode which had an interesting surprise during it.

Kurumi pretty much confessed to Karen that she loves her. No beating around the bush, no using metaphors, Kurumi confessed. She did have to be three sheets to the wind drunk to say it, and Karen didn't give an answer, but we can say that there is a Lesbian Pretty Cure couple that is text and not subtext.
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I haven't seen any part of that series yet, but I do find that a little interesting.

In both Precure 5 and GoGo, Kurumi generally didn't have much interaction with Karen outside of generic "group interacts with each other". The character she interacted with the most is Nozomi, which also doesn't really say much due to Nozomi being the lead character, and Kurumi/Milk having a self-professed rivalry with her.

I'm a little curious why Kurumi fell in love with Karen, and if it was based on something that was in the original YPC5/YPC5G.

Also I'm a little amused that this series acknowledges how the characters age with the passing of time, when the original Yes Precure 5 and GoGo very carefully did not mention why everyone remained the same age and in the same school despite a year passing between series, and Komachi and Karen supposedly being in their last year of middle school at the time of the first season.
 
Adloquium said:
I haven't seen any part of that series yet, but I do find that a little interesting.

In both Precure 5 and GoGo, Kurumi generally didn't have much interaction with Karen outside of generic "group interacts with each other". The character she interacted with the most is Nozomi, which also doesn't really say much due to Nozomi being the lead character, and Kurumi/Milk having a self-professed rivalry with her.

I'm a little curious why Kurumi fell in love with Karen, and if it was based on something that was in the original YPC5/YPC5G.
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A flashback shown in the episode of Karen taking care of Milk when she is sick (episode 34 of YPC5). I'm pretty sure that is where a lot of the shipping of the two of them started. It makes sense to reference that episode because it is also the episode that got Karen on the path to becoming a doctor.

Adloquium said:
Also I'm a little amused that this series acknowledges how the characters age with the passing of time, when the original Yes Precure 5 and GoGo very carefully did not mention why everyone remained the same age and in the same school despite a year passing between series, and Komachi and Karen supposedly being in their last year of middle school at the time of the first season.
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I did hear that they had actually thought about writing Komachi and Karen out and replacing them with new Cures, but the writing staff decided that the two of them were too important to the group dynamic to replace and so kept that slightly odd bit.
 
I'm in Love With the Villainess has it's first battle. Was well animated too.

Saw SHY. I REALLY dislike that guy...
 
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Krazyfan1 said:
and of course, theres backlash about this from idiots that don't seem to be able to comprehend that the entire Yuri genre is about homosexuality.
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What're you talking about, they are obviously just good friends. :V

I mean, unsurprising, tbh. I'd bet half of them didn't even know Crunchyroll is streaming this anime, nevermind that it contains halfway serious discussions about homosexuality ( and class struggle, btw ). Now that those people saw a 2-minute video in their YouTube playlist… how dare they, this is an outrage, it requires my expert unsolicited opinion.
 
Shanejayell said:
I'm in Love With the Villainess has it's first battle. Was well animated too.
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This episode had a pretty long post-credits scene. Nothing crucial, just Misha and then Claire finding out about Rae's new pet.


Shanejayell said:
Saw SHY. I REALLY dislike that guy...
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Stardust? Yeah, he's not really making friends.


Shanejayell said:
Hey, Crunchyroll posted it. Cool.

I was really impressed they included a serious discussion like this in a mostly comic series


View: https://youtu.be/y6MqkCyCM8w?si=q-8ha_9_U5TaZpd7
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Something that particularly stood out to me even when reading the original novel was that Rae rejects the handwave that yuri often hides behind of "gender doesn't matter when it comes to love" when Lene puts it forth, saying flat out that she's gay and only falls in love with women.


Krazyfan1 said:
and of course, theres backlash about this from idiots that don't seem to be able to comprehend that the entire Yuri genre is about homosexuality.
comment section as well ;(
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Well, this is Crunchyroll's YouTube account, so there are probably a lot of Shield Hero fans following it that are upset at seeing a female character who isn't enslaved.
 
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