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Legacy of The Tenth Crusade - A Divergences of Darkness Nation Quest [Finished]

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[ ][MAC] Write In: Get Venice involved on the crisis and other international powers too by argueing that the Macedonians are putting the Suez canal, and thus the international market at jeopardy by attempting to start a war over unimportant colonial holdings. Can anyone honestly say that there is anything of value in an underdeveloped porvince from an underdeveloped mandate such as the Sinai peninsula? Sue for the canal to become an international zone (from which every european power can profit).

@Fission Battery would this be a valid write in?
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It's a bit wordy, but valid. Understand though that Macedonia does not consider the Comintern part of the international community. They are rogue states. It'll be Venice and the Entente showing up to manage the canal to keep Macedonia in check. The Comintern showing up means there will be actual fists fights between delegates. There's also Arcadia and Lotharingia as two major powers without ties to either alliance that could be invited as mediators, though they have less presence in the region than others.

I'd recommend editing it to make it clearer who you want to invite.
 
If we go that route of diplo pressure for the price of having the Suez become an international zone; could we, uh, invite literally every power possible since anything happening to the Suez has global commerce implications in order to justify having our theoretical allies so far (Comintern, Arab League, Black Sea Pact) all there? Or is that a horrible idea.
 
Regency said:
If we go that route of diplo pressure for the price of having the Suez become an international zone; could we, uh, invite literally every power possible since anything happening to the Suez has global commerce implications in order to justify having our theoretical allies so far (Comintern, Arab League, Black Sea Pact) all there? Or is that a horrible idea.
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From what the information posts tell us, inviting the Entente and the Christian League would not change the outcome, they are friendly with each other and Burgundy is more worried about the Communists than about the Reactionaries so most likely they would tell us that Macedonia is right and we should concede to all their demands, though, if we were to put Aragon and any Entente nation in the same room there would be a boxing match within seconds (noone seems to like Aragon).

Venice would want to complicate Macedonia's live in every way possible because of the betrayal but they are still palatable to other countries so they are the nearest thing we would get to a friendly country in such a conference but it seems to have a horrible relation with Italy, which is a part of the Entente.

It would be interesting to invate the American countries mostly because they are not interested in a 2nd World War so they would most likely try to appease both sides and that might sway Burgundy into a softer approach towards the issue given that they are trying to rebuild relations with their former colonies, though that might be dangerous becuase WW2 seems inevitable and if the americans were to be friendly with Burgundy that would mean that the Comintern has an out-of-reach enemy to deal with.

In summary, if we want a casus belli and some time to properly mobilize our army I would suggest inviting Aragon and anyone else that is not from the Christian League but if we geniunely want to create an international zone I would argue on only invinting the American countries (because they are mostly neutral hence they will care more about the profit than political considerations), Venice (to sway them towards us) and Macedonia (which is a given that is going to attend any such conference).

Inviting the Black Sea Pact or the Arab League would reduce the conference into a series of islamophobic slurs thrown by the Chriatian League answered by a series of equally christianophobic slurs (and anti-imperialist slogans) by the offended party which would be followed by a mutual declaration of war or something of the like (the europeans don't consider them equals and want to go to war agianst them so it would be kind of doomed into scalating to full out war).

Edit: I might be wrong about something so don't take my word as absolute, this are merely well informed theories.
 
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I'm wondering if it would be worth it to go in the complete opposite direction. I think we wanted more time to get our army and country in order (haven't been keeping much with thread chatter) but what if we went all in? Activated our treaties and not just pushed Macedonia out, but went for the full dissolution of the Levant. We know that they have a horrendous plan if it looks like they'll be pushed out but right now I don't think anybody would be expecting us to go to war. There would be a great deal of risk but on top of everything else it would likely have the effect of unifying our government over internal divisions (and victory would be a good place to force out the Islamists and the governor). @Fission Battery , what is our military's opinion on going to war with the Christian League now if we bring in both the Arab League and Black Sea Pact?
 
I've added a new option to the list of Macedonian demands. I realized it fit and that it should go up as an official request.

[ ][MAC] Break diplomatic ties with Black Sea Pact. Requires one other option be picked.

The secret treaty will remain in place, but Macedonia will still require another concessions in addition to this since they'd still be concerned about the canal. This though could be paired with a write in for a less outcome.

Roost said:
I'm wondering if it would be worth it to go in the complete opposite direction. I think we wanted more time to get our army and country in order (haven't been keeping much with thread chatter) but what if we went all in? Activated our treaties and not just pushed Macedonia out, but went for the full dissolution of the Levant. We know that they have a horrendous plan if it looks like they'll be pushed out but right now I don't think anybody would be expecting us to go to war. There would be a great deal of risk but on top of everything else it would likely have the effect of unifying our government over internal divisions (and victory would be a good place to force out the Islamists and the governor). @Fission Battery , what is our military's opinion on going to war with the Christian League now if we bring in both the Arab League and Black Sea Pact?
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That's a good question. It'd be a bit half-cocked, but since nearly everyone in the Arab League and Black Sea Pact went military first as a national priority, they'd be in alright shape if it came to war. They'd all want more time for preparations but the Christian League is preparing for war as well. Egypt does have the advantage in tanks in the region, since Levant has yet to receive any from Poland or Bohemia. They're saving those for themselves. You know that because of your Sicilian Partisans feeding you information.

Tatarstan is the most concerned about war now, but that's because its staring down an army numbering in the millions with tens of thousands of tanks and hundreds of aircraft. It has a similar troop composition, so it's somewhat evenly matched. It just knows it'll have to trade space for time and is concerned about Muscovy or Novgorod intervening as well.

Edit: Macedonia would also be somewhat caught off guard by the sheer aggression of the move. They don't trust you, but they also figured you'd play along a bit longer. As far as they're concerned this is giving a friendly yank on the chain to let you know who's in charge. It's friendly because they're asking how hard you want it yanked. :lol:
 
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It seems that Egypt might have local superiority in the region if we go to war now. We have to also have ask ourselves if delaying the war for a few years benefits the Christian League more than Egypt and its allies. The Christian League has been monitoring the situation and has been preparing for war as well.

I am against bringing in other European colonial powers into Egypt to play them against the Christian League. The Christian League is the weakest of the European power blocs. It would be much harder to resist the influence of the Entente than of the Christian League.
 
So I'm partial to going all in right now despite the risks. I know you said that mobilizing opens a sub-vote, am I right in assuming that would be in the next round of voting or should that be included in this round with reject demands and mobilize?
 
[X][MAC] Reject all demands
[X][EGY] Mobilize the military. Prepare for war. Opens a sub-vote on strategy. Requires Reject all demands.

I do think this is the way to go. Its been noted that Egypt is the only country in the area that has tanks, in addition we spent a lot of money upgrading and expanding the army, navy, and air force. We match the entirety of the arab league in soldiers, our navy can see off a Macedonian attempt at invasion, and perhaps most importantly we know about Operation: Armageddon. The time we put off is more time the Levant has to commit genocide against the people while simultaneously draw in more colonists and buidling up chemical stockpiles. Our knowledge of Armageddon also could work as a reason to go to war, push against Great Power intervention by the Entente, and an additional source of support for our allies to soothe nerves about launching before the conference of 21.
 
Given how dicey party unity is, I suspect that any deal with Macedonia would be seen as a sign kf fatal weakness both in public and from our right-wing/nationalist flank. What's the point of all this shit if we can't even get one low-grade imperialist to back down? I suspect that we're already on thin ice - losing any face here would get things a bit hairier. Winning a confrontation would be enough to give us room to purge the Islamists. Backing down - be it abandoning the Sinai or the Black Sea Pact - gets a bit hairy.

Can we leverage Venice here? They're indebted to us to the hilt and are our nominal overlords. The Europeans might not be eager to see Egypt take the canal - but if it's good old reliable fuddy-duddy weak but not failing Venice, maybe that's more trustworthy? Then it's an older colonial power on a bit of a kick to discipline an upstart, and they'd have the diplomatic and economic ties required to cut an advantageous deal with the major powers and (hopefully) us in - and Macedonia out. Puts us in a stronger position for whenever we do decide to assume control ourselves.
 
[X][MAC] Reject all demands
[X][EGY] Mobilize the military. Prepare for war. Opens a sub-vote on strategy. Requires Reject all demands.

Only one option without bending the knee, made more pressing by QM's info on Levantine's buildup.
 
[X][MAC] Reject all demands
[X][EGY] Mobilize the military. Prepare for war. Opens a sub-vote on strategy. Requires Reject all demands.
 
[X][MAC] Reject all demands
[X][EGY] Mobilize the military. Prepare for war. Opens a sub-vote on strategy. Requires Reject all demands.
[X][EGY] Arm Sinai Bedouins

Yeah, fuck off Big Macs.
 
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[X][MAC] Reject all demands
[X][EGY] Mobilize the military. Prepare for war. Opens a sub-vote on strategy. Requires Reject all demands.
 
[X][MAC] Reject all demands
[X][EGY] Arm Sinai Bedouins
[X][EGY] Mobilize the military. Prepare for war. Opens a sub-vote on strategy. Requires Reject all demands.
 
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[x][MAC] Write In: Get Venice involved on the crisis along with Arcadia and Lotharingia too by argueing that the Macedonians are putting the Suez canal, and thus the international market at jeopardy by attempting to start a war over unimportant colonial holdings. Sue for the canal to become an international zone (from which the mediators can profit).

I want to atleast delay so that our army has more time to position itself.
 
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[x] [EGY] Mobilize the military. Prepare for war. Opens a sub-vote on strategy. Requires Reject all demands.
[X][MAC] Reject all demands
 
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@Retired Explorer @IamtooSleepy

Mobilizing the army is not valid with international conference. It involves mobilizing the reserves, hence the name, to shore up the army's numbers. It's kind of really obvious to outsider observers that Egypt is mobilizing. That's seen as a sign of aggression and escalation of the situation.

If conference wins this vote there'll be an option to mobilize if you don't like the terms drawn up by the international community.
 
Also you can arm Bedouins alongside mobilizing the army, if people really wanted them more prepared for an insurgency.

There's no limit on initial preparations, as long as requirements are met. Mobilization covers a lot of course, and if it wins the following post will be a few votes on strategy, aims, and diplomatic stuff, so there's no need to write in a bunch of micro-management stuff.
 
So, do we wish to arm the Bedouins in the Sinai or not? I do not think that we need to further destabilize the domestic political situation for that bit of extra firepower right now. The political situation is quite tense, and the conventional Egyptian military is relatively strong.

Macedonia is not expecting war with Egypt right now as they expect the AENC to continue playing along for the moment. I guess Macedonia is hoping for no war now because a delay grants them more time to properly prepare for Egypt's expected revolt. For long, Macedonia had a handoff policy on Egypt. Egypt was a side project that only Iskandar Drakos and his allies really paid much attention to. The Macedonian government did not bother to send a replacement for Drakos as Macedonia's man on the ground after Drakos and his allies were blackmailed into leaving. As long as the AENC did not touch the cotton farms and the Suez Canal, the AENC could do what it liked. However, allowing the AENC near free reign over Egypt for a few years has allowed the AENC to greatly strengthen its military potential. Before the AENC entered government, it was a potential insurgency with limited support from the Egyptian population. Now the Macedonians realize that the AENC has control of a strong regional conventional military with tanks and destroyers supported by some domestic industry and stronger support from the Egyptian population. Meanwhile, Levant has yet to receive any tanks.

If Macedonia had demanded the AENC restrict the size of the Egyptian military early on, we would have almost certainly officially accepted it. If Macedonia had demanded the AENC restrict the size of the Egyptian military midway through the buildup, we would have probably accepted it. In both of these cases, we would not have been able to resist Macedonia for long if we had refused. Now that the military buildup is almost complete and we have learned that Egypt has a degree of local superiority in the region, it is unlikely that we would accept this demand. Sunk cost is in effect now and everybody has realized that the Christian League's position in the Middle East is not as strong as it used to be.
 
On a second thought, I'd also vote for arming Sinai Bedouins considering this could very well be a do-or-die all out war

[X][MAC] Reject all demands
[X][EGY] Arm Sinai Bedouins
[X][EGY] Mobilize the military. Prepare for war. Opens a sub-vote on strategy. Requires Reject all demands.
 
[X][MAC] Reject all demands
[X][EGY] Arm Sinai Bedouins
[X][EGY] Mobilize the military. Prepare for war. Opens a sub-vote on strategy. Requires Reject all demands.
 
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