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The fact we are intervening is hardly an all-caps of justice moment.
[L5R] Minor Clan Quest
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The fact we are intervening is hardly an all-caps of justice moment.
Wade Garrett
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The point stands. We're a Minor Clan a long way from home. Tsubaki has no authority to order a Dragon (Lion, Unicorn, Scorpion, Phoenix, Crane, etc) samurai to do anything outside of Catfish lands.
If we can, let's focus on getting the ronin out of danger rather than confronting the Dragons. Let's invite the ronin to come eat/hang out with us rather than getting in a fight with members of a great clan.
Wade Garrett
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Yes!
Yes, let's do this thing. I agree that it's in character to help the ronin out, but there are plenty of options to do that that don't involve us getting into a dick measuring contest with the Dragon Clan. A contest we're not going to win.
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We aren't in dragon lands?
So a Daimyo of a minor clan (Status 5 or 6) Telling a visiting (to the Crab, where the winter court is) samurai who is not a diplomat and lower ranking of the visiting embassy (Status 2-4) to get lost.
Ya, still works.
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But we are not in Dragon Territory. We are in Crab lands. The Samurai accosting the Ronin is a low ranking Dragon samurai, again, not a crab. We outrank him and he's being a dick. We are not in the territory of the clan who we are telling to get lost.
We have every social right to do this. We are both visitors to foreign lands, and we are the more important one.
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Wade Garrett
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Paraphrasing from the 4e Core Rulebook, "Effects of Status" Sidebar, page 97:
No, that does not work.
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Since the Dragon has no authority to kick the ronin out we can simply take the Ronin's side, forcing him to acknowledge our wishes due to the difference in rank.
The Point being that we have ample clout to force him to back down due to our rank.
The Point being that we have ample clout to force him to back down due to our rank.
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Why not just edit instead of double posting?
In any event playing the brute force status game is dangerous. If they've been ordered to clear this guy off by a higher status representative we lose. We are directly calling attention to actions which in the greater context of society are not something that is any of our business or concern and is already something of a loss in and of itself.
Quietly taking the ronin aside later avoids direct confrontation which was the seeming aim of this winter from the outset. Even if a Dragon higher up looked favorably on us standing up for the little guy (why?), we'd have blown that shot by backing a ronin over real samurai. It's just a matter of approach, we can go in trying to force an issue with marginal outcomes at best, or score a spiritual and moral victory without getting dragged down in the dirt.
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Because I have multiple tabs up and crossed the streams....Sorry.
Given our skills I doubt we're going to be just barging in and "Let him dine or fite me m8".
There are subtle ways to remind the samurai of honor(because depending on the guy, minor clan or not, it's still a clan leader and fucking up here does his clan no favors in politicking), and failing that, have our men assist the ronin in finding alternate accommodations.
There are subtle ways to remind the samurai of honor(because depending on the guy, minor clan or not, it's still a clan leader and fucking up here does his clan no favors in politicking), and failing that, have our men assist the ronin in finding alternate accommodations.
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[X] Intervene
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Not intervening seems out of character to me… but intervention does not have to be hostile, does it? This option, for example:
Let's try diplomacy with the Dragon?
Let's try diplomacy with the Dragon?
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How to intervene politely without causing offense to the Dragon? Sounds like a 10k6 Etiquette check to me!
EDIT: 15, 22, 8, 7, 5, 5. I'd say that a 62 beats whatever DC it might have been.
EDIT: 15, 22, 8, 7, 5, 5. I'd say that a 62 beats whatever DC it might have been.
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Legendary politeness. You're gonna be so gosh darn polite they can't even get mad that you're spoiling their fun.
Winter 913 - Turn 2.2 - Intervention
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[X] Intervene.
- [X] Try to avoid causing offense.
Something ugly snarls in the pit of your stomach as you look at the Mirumoto samurai harassing the ronin. You are about to shout out in anger... before you get control of your emotions. Honor demands that you intervene, but politics demand that you not be in any way rude or impolite in doing so. You have no way of knowing who these bushi are, but they are doubtless part of the Dragon delegation to Winter Court. In the best case scenario they are merely the lowest ranking of the delegation's yojimbo, but even so any one of these men and women could be an important personage in their own right - or become so in the future. Thankfully, Auntie Hatsuyuki had plenty of suggestions for what to do about obnoxious Clan samurai.
You hold up a hand to forestall any of your companions from acting and step forwards. "Ara, samurai of the Mirumoto Clan! What an auspicious occasion!" You paste a smile upon your face, masking the disgust that you feel in your gut. "And an honorable ronin as well! Please, won't you all come have a drink with us?" There is a look of surprise on the faces of everyone present as they take in your delegation, arrayed in the colors of an unfamiliar Clan, well armed and armored, and dripping wet. "We have been on the road for a while, and news from far abroad is always pleasant to hear."
One of the samurai steps forwards.
He scowls. "What Clan's armor is that? I do not recognize it." You bristle at the implied insult. Not to recognize you is forgivable and understandable; to ask you who you are in such a manner is deliberately antagonistic and dismissive.
Nevertheless you persevere. "Then it seems we have news to share with you, as well. Will you sit?" You ask, inclining your head at an empty table.
After a few seconds, he snorts. "All right, fine. Just as soon as I get rid of this insect here." He says, indicating the ronin.
"Maah, maah, let him stay," you say. If Auntie Hatsuyuki taught you one thing about Dragon samurai, it was that they had a fondness for quotes from the Tao. "After all, is it not said; 'The dragonfly's buzz is no different from the lion's roar. All creatures have a voice with which they express the Way'? And this ronin looks as though like us, he has traveled far and hard this day. I would like to hear his news as well."
The Dragon takes a step towards you. "Do you know who I am?" He says, puffing out his chest to reveal his family mon. "I am Mirumoto Kaien, son of Mirumoto Shin! The son of a daimyo -"
Before he can say something about it being unworthy of him to sit and eat with a ronin or something like that, you manage to interrupt. "Oh my, how unfortunate for you, Mirumoto-sama!" He stops, completely flabbergasted as you continue. "After all, 'True Nobility comes not from being superior to another man, but from being superior to your past.' Fate has surely given you a difficult goal to strive for." You bow to him, the bow of one equal to another, and see his eyes begin to narrow as he takes the action as an insult, only to open wide in surprise as you speak again. "I am Namazu Tsubaki, Champion of the Catfish Clan." You put as much sincerity into your words as possible, and is evidently enough, for you can feel his attitude and demeanor shift as he believes you.
Grudgingly, he returns your bow, again as one equal to another. If you hadn't acknowledged him as an equal first, proclaiming himself as the equal to a Clan Champion would have been insultingly rude. Instead it's just rude. "I see. Well, Namazu-sama, I am afraid that I will have to decline your invitation. We, too have traveled long and far this day, and I was just about to take my rest."
You do your best not to sigh in relief, smile in victory, or in any way show your true feelings about this declaration, instead making an appropriate display of disappointment. "That is truly a shame, Mirumoto-sama." To your family and Clan, you think privately. "Another time, perhaps."
"Perhaps." He says. "In any case, have a care with that ronin of yours. 'Petting scorpions with a compassionate hand only gets you a sting.' " The last word had, Mirumoto Kaien returns to gather his companions. Your keen ears pick up the sound of him brusquely ordering the heimin that run the establishment to have his samurai's food and drink served in their private rooms, and sigh in a combination of relief and exasperation.
The ronin, who until now has been very wisely staying as silent and unobtrusive as possible, gives you a deep bow of gratitude. "You have my thanks, lord. Namazu-sama, right?" He has a thick, unrefined accent, sounding more like a country peasant than a samurai.
You nod. "And you are?"
"Hanzo, lord." the ronin says. "Heard the Crab were taking heavy losses, so I been hanging round the area ta see if they were calling for a Twenty Goblin Winter." With a sigh, he picks up his cup of tea and takes a sip. "But they ain't, so now I'm tryin' ta figure out what ta do next." He scowls. "Though it's seemin' like gettin' outta the way of the Great Clans is prob'ly a good start."
You nod in agreement. "Probably a good idea, Hanzo-san. Clan samurai are proud creatures, and all of them are journeying to Winter Court where the Emperor himself is in attendance. They are likely to be quicker than usual to take offense." As hear a cough from behind you, you are reminded that you yourself are now a Clan samurai, and blush. "A-anyway, these are the members of my Clan." You go through the round of introductions, and the heimin of the inn bring you food and hot tea and hot sake to warm your chill bodies. Hanzo seems grateful for the company and for the food that you generously share with him.
What do you discuss during dinner?
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- [X] Try to avoid causing offense.
Something ugly snarls in the pit of your stomach as you look at the Mirumoto samurai harassing the ronin. You are about to shout out in anger... before you get control of your emotions. Honor demands that you intervene, but politics demand that you not be in any way rude or impolite in doing so. You have no way of knowing who these bushi are, but they are doubtless part of the Dragon delegation to Winter Court. In the best case scenario they are merely the lowest ranking of the delegation's yojimbo, but even so any one of these men and women could be an important personage in their own right - or become so in the future. Thankfully, Auntie Hatsuyuki had plenty of suggestions for what to do about obnoxious Clan samurai.
You hold up a hand to forestall any of your companions from acting and step forwards. "Ara, samurai of the Mirumoto Clan! What an auspicious occasion!" You paste a smile upon your face, masking the disgust that you feel in your gut. "And an honorable ronin as well! Please, won't you all come have a drink with us?" There is a look of surprise on the faces of everyone present as they take in your delegation, arrayed in the colors of an unfamiliar Clan, well armed and armored, and dripping wet. "We have been on the road for a while, and news from far abroad is always pleasant to hear."
One of the samurai steps forwards.
He scowls. "What Clan's armor is that? I do not recognize it." You bristle at the implied insult. Not to recognize you is forgivable and understandable; to ask you who you are in such a manner is deliberately antagonistic and dismissive.
Nevertheless you persevere. "Then it seems we have news to share with you, as well. Will you sit?" You ask, inclining your head at an empty table.
After a few seconds, he snorts. "All right, fine. Just as soon as I get rid of this insect here." He says, indicating the ronin.
"Maah, maah, let him stay," you say. If Auntie Hatsuyuki taught you one thing about Dragon samurai, it was that they had a fondness for quotes from the Tao. "After all, is it not said; 'The dragonfly's buzz is no different from the lion's roar. All creatures have a voice with which they express the Way'? And this ronin looks as though like us, he has traveled far and hard this day. I would like to hear his news as well."
The Dragon takes a step towards you. "Do you know who I am?" He says, puffing out his chest to reveal his family mon. "I am Mirumoto Kaien, son of Mirumoto Shin! The son of a daimyo -"
Before he can say something about it being unworthy of him to sit and eat with a ronin or something like that, you manage to interrupt. "Oh my, how unfortunate for you, Mirumoto-sama!" He stops, completely flabbergasted as you continue. "After all, 'True Nobility comes not from being superior to another man, but from being superior to your past.' Fate has surely given you a difficult goal to strive for." You bow to him, the bow of one equal to another, and see his eyes begin to narrow as he takes the action as an insult, only to open wide in surprise as you speak again. "I am Namazu Tsubaki, Champion of the Catfish Clan." You put as much sincerity into your words as possible, and is evidently enough, for you can feel his attitude and demeanor shift as he believes you.
Grudgingly, he returns your bow, again as one equal to another. If you hadn't acknowledged him as an equal first, proclaiming himself as the equal to a Clan Champion would have been insultingly rude. Instead it's just rude. "I see. Well, Namazu-sama, I am afraid that I will have to decline your invitation. We, too have traveled long and far this day, and I was just about to take my rest."
You do your best not to sigh in relief, smile in victory, or in any way show your true feelings about this declaration, instead making an appropriate display of disappointment. "That is truly a shame, Mirumoto-sama." To your family and Clan, you think privately. "Another time, perhaps."
"Perhaps." He says. "In any case, have a care with that ronin of yours. 'Petting scorpions with a compassionate hand only gets you a sting.' " The last word had, Mirumoto Kaien returns to gather his companions. Your keen ears pick up the sound of him brusquely ordering the heimin that run the establishment to have his samurai's food and drink served in their private rooms, and sigh in a combination of relief and exasperation.
The ronin, who until now has been very wisely staying as silent and unobtrusive as possible, gives you a deep bow of gratitude. "You have my thanks, lord. Namazu-sama, right?" He has a thick, unrefined accent, sounding more like a country peasant than a samurai.
You nod. "And you are?"
"Hanzo, lord." the ronin says. "Heard the Crab were taking heavy losses, so I been hanging round the area ta see if they were calling for a Twenty Goblin Winter." With a sigh, he picks up his cup of tea and takes a sip. "But they ain't, so now I'm tryin' ta figure out what ta do next." He scowls. "Though it's seemin' like gettin' outta the way of the Great Clans is prob'ly a good start."
You nod in agreement. "Probably a good idea, Hanzo-san. Clan samurai are proud creatures, and all of them are journeying to Winter Court where the Emperor himself is in attendance. They are likely to be quicker than usual to take offense." As hear a cough from behind you, you are reminded that you yourself are now a Clan samurai, and blush. "A-anyway, these are the members of my Clan." You go through the round of introductions, and the heimin of the inn bring you food and hot tea and hot sake to warm your chill bodies. Hanzo seems grateful for the company and for the food that you generously share with him.
What do you discuss during dinner?
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Droman
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Would it be improper to offer him a chance to serve at Wave under Jiro, with a suggestion that should he prove worthy joining the Catfish might be possible?
While it might offend some of the more traditional clans, I think we could do well by being the unorthodox archetype, interacting and recruiting Ronin, sponsoring Geisha, dealing in non-rice crops, etc...
While it might offend some of the more traditional clans, I think we could do well by being the unorthodox archetype, interacting and recruiting Ronin, sponsoring Geisha, dealing in non-rice crops, etc...
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Maybe suggest he make his way to Wave province before winter. Picking up strays on the way to the Big Show probably isn't a great idea, but we do kinda need manpower.
We already accept ronin fairly regularly, and more importantly, we don't want just ANY ronin, only truly honorable ones.
Setting a one a year custom does us no favors
At minimum the knowledge that Ronin aren't treated like trash in Wave Province would most likely be appreciated.