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[L5R] Minor Clan Quest

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[X] Plan Bugaboo

Earth:
[x] Yu 'the Rock'

Air:
[x] Hatsuyuki

Water:
[x] Wakaba

Fire:
[x] Minato 'the Axe'

I support all these options for the reasons that Candesce listed.

Void:
[x] Rittou - A monk of the Brotherhood of Shinsei, he has served for years the family priest to the Warakkoi-gumi. Well liked by most, if not especially enlightened. Affiliation: Warakkoi-gumi. Focus: Enlightenment. Rank: Average. Religion: Shinsei.

He's known and he's popular. It should also help us build ties with the Brotherhood. I'm gonna be honest here, I've just got a bias towards the Brotherhood of Shinsei so you probably shouldn't go with my suggestion because that.

Wave Province Daimyo
[X] Boss Koibu

Highly competent and gets Jiro off our back.
 
Honestly right now I want a more direct hand in the wind province, maybe tentatively propose placing Jiro under boss Koibu in air under the expectation that we need Koibu close right now but intend to make him Wave daimyo the moment we can spare him?

Edit: also on the subject of wave province I think we probably won't be able to keep anyone from taking it for a while (if ever) so it's probably best to make sure its not WORTH taking by keeping enforcement, info and battle generally among its highest ranks.
 
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On the Fortunist/Seven Thunders/ Shinsei dichotomy.

Religion in the Emerald Empire is complex, and often makes very little sense. In essence there are three religions in one and they are all equally valid but require regular convocations to play nice.

FORTUNIST

First we have the Seven Great Fortunes
Benten-Love particularly Romantic Love
Bishamon-Strength
Ebisu-Hard Work and the peasants
Daikoku-wealth
Fukurokujin- Wisdom and Mercy
Jurojin-Longevity
Hohei- Contenment

Underneath them are bunch of lesser Fortunes. One of the most popular and prominent being Inari, god of Foxes and Rice
Inari is particularly beloved by peasants for not allowing us to starve.

These Fortunes have been worshipped before there even was an Empire and it's highly traditional, and common for most everyone. They are gods in their own right albeit mostly relegated to their area of focus. Peasants in particular most often worship the Fortunes over everyone else.


ANCESTOR-WORSHIP


Which brings us to the Seven Thunders.
Not only do the Fortunes inhabit the Heavens, but the ancestors of the people do as well, they work to protect their descendent from the wrong path. Thus in addition to the Fortunes most people (more Samurai than peasants but still a fairly even mix) also pray to and pay homage to their Ancestors. In particular the Lion Clan is almost fanatical in it's worship of it's ancestors this is somewhat helped by being able to talk to them.
The Seven Thunders are legendary heroes, and exemplars of Bushido and saviours of the Empire. Associated more with the works of man and following the Samurai way more than anything.


SHINSEISM

Shinsei or the Little Teacher was a brilliant man and possibly the only one who could walk up to a demi-god make them feel stupid and walk away as their greatest friend. He had a series of conversations with Hantei the First Emperor that Shiba wrote down forming the Tao of Shinsei.
Shinsei teaches that it is possible for any man or woman to reach enlightenment and that the ultimate purpose for everyone is to do so. Famously he said there was no one path to Enlightenment but rather ten thousand of them. After his departure orders began forming to try and follow his path all the same and discover new ones.
Heavily ascetic and focused on being one with the world but not controlled by it, it's largely inspired zen Buddhism in conception. It is also the main competitor with Fortunism, having nearly broken the Empire over which one was right until the Shining Prince said both were. Shinseism tends to be followed by monks ad largely focused around spiritual and academic pursuits to better the self. The Dragon, Phoenix, and Imperial families all tend towards this.



So in essence that vote is
Do we worship the Gods? Our ancestors? Or do we seek to transcend ourselves.
 
Of course, all these link back to their Chinese/Japanese equivalents
gman391 said:
FORTUNIST

First we have the Seven Great Fortunes
Benten-Love particularly Romantic Love
Bishamon-Strength
Ebisu-Hard Work and the peasants
Daikoku-wealth
Fukurokujin- Wisdom and Mercy
Jurojin-Longevity
Hohei- Contenment

Underneath them are bunch of lesser Fortunes. One of the most popular and prominent being Inari, god of Foxes and Rice
Inari is particularly beloved by peasants for not allowing us to starve.

These Fortunes have been worshipped before there even was an Empire and it's highly traditional, and common for most everyone. They are gods in their own right albeit mostly relegated to their area of focus. Peasants in particular most often worship the Fortunes over everyone else.
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Traditional animism, worship of gods and spirits that bless and govern particular domains.
gman391 said:
ANCESTOR-WORSHIP


Which brings us to the Seven Thunders.
Not only do the Fortunes inhabit the Heavens, but the ancestors of the people do as well, they work to protect their descendent from the wrong path. Thus in addition to the Fortunes most people (more Samurai than peasants but still a fairly even mix) also pray to and pay homage to their Ancestors. In particular the Lion Clan is almost fanatical in it's worship of it's ancestors this is somewhat helped by being able to talk to them.
The Seven Thunders are legendary heroes, and exemplars of Bushido and saviours of the Empire. Associated more with the works of man and following the Samurai way more than anything.
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Ancestor worship, in reality largely fused with the animism(since particularly great heroes are deified), it's considered more a matter of respect for your forebears and elders than something you get blessings from. You have a debt to them that you can't repay for making your life possible.
gman391 said:
SHINSEISM

Shinsei or the Little Teacher was a brilliant man and possibly the only one who could walk up to a demi-god make them feel stupid and walk away as their greatest friend. He had a series of conversations with Hantei the First Emperor that Shiba wrote down forming the Tao of Shinsei.
Shinsei teaches that it is possible for any man or woman to reach enlightenment and that the ultimate purpose for everyone is to do so. Famously he said there was no one path to Enlightenment but rather ten thousand of them. After his departure orders began forming to try and follow his path all the same and discover new ones.
Heavily ascetic and focused on being one with the world but not controlled by it, it's largely inspired zen Buddhism in conception. It is also the main competitor with Fortunism, having nearly broken the Empire over which one was right until the Shining Prince said both were. Shinseism tends to be followed by monks ad largely focused around spiritual and academic pursuits to better the self. The Dragon, Phoenix, and Imperial families all tend towards this.
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Buddishm basically, and a rather divergent path. IIRC historically this led to some political crisis in Japan.

Not sure where the Taoism equivalents went though :)
 
Well yes this is a pastiche of Japanese/Chinese culture and some other stuff.

As for Daosim, there really isn't one, so much as it's falling under the Shinseism.
The elemental kami do exist but no one worships them largely because shugenja have figured out how to make them do whatever they like.
 
Not sure about sending our Boss to administrate Wave province. Kinda feel it sends the wrong message, sending him away from our center of power to the poor backwater.
 
[x] Plan Kelenas

Earth:
[x] Boss Koibu

Air:
[x] Hatsuyuki

Water:
[x] Wakaba

Fire:
[x] Minato 'the Axe'

Void:
[x] Chouko

Wave Province Daimyo
[x] Yu 'the Rock'


Mostly Candesce's plan, except I switched Yu and Koibu. The way I see it, sending our boss away to administer a poor backwater could easily be seen as a rather heavy insult. Plus it means he wouldn't be able to advise us, and he's got way more experience in such things than we do.
Plus, Wave looks like it's going to be an agricultural province and thus going to profit more from the production bonus/focus of Yu and his eye for the weather, whereas Gold province will be more trade-focused.
 
Boss Koibu is mostly being sent out because of political reasons. His son won't hat us for not putting him on the council if we put him in charge.
 
Bugaboo said:
Boss Koibu is mostly being sent out because of political reasons. His son won't hat us for not putting him on the council if we put him in charge.
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And I wholly disagree with those reasons. We're sending the man who took us in and taught us to watch over a poor backwater, while we stay in the much wealther province. It just sends the wrong message as far as I'm concerned.
 
Bugaboo said:
Boss Koibu is mostly being sent out because of political reasons. His son won't hat us for not putting him on the council if we put him in charge.
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And I wholly disagree with those reasons. We're sending the man who took us in and taught us to watch over a poor backwater, while we stay in the much wealther province. It just sends the wrong message as far as I'm concerned.
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Not really. He is being given a fantastic honor in being appointed Daimyo as it's an hereditary position, and there isn't such a short-term mentality of just thinking of the self in this era. His son will manage that province, his grandchildren will, and their grand children, and their grand children .... this is an absurd honor and opportunity for him rather than just being made an advisor although a very important one.
 
[X] Plan Kelenas


Because really, we're going to base very important decisions about whether or not they'll make Jirou sad. Jirou, the little twit who is sitting around with his bottom lip stuck out because...instead of being a ronin gang leader he's now a full fledged samurai in service to a Minor Clan.



Clearly, what this young man needs is a good wife to straighten him out. I say we kill two birds with one stone, let's ask our Crab allies if they have an eligible young Kuni shujena they would be willing to lend us. We get someone to keep this punk in line and we get someone to beseech the kami and scour our province for Taint. Win-win-win.
 
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Neptune said:
Not really. He is being given a fantastic honor in being appointed Daimyo as it's an hereditary position, and there isn't such a short-term mentality of just thinking of the self in this era. His son will manage that province, his grandchildren will, and their grand children, and their grand children .... this is an absurd honor and opportunity for him rather than just being made an advisor although a very important one.
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I think the hereditary nature of the position is an argument against putting Koibu-ji in it.

Mainly because he's old. And if something happens to him, his incompetent disloyal son goes right into the daimyo position where he can express his incompetence and disloyalty in all sorts of fun ways, possibly aided and abetted by the Scorpion.
 
Aye, Jirou being the next daimyo is what I am midly concerned with especially as the amount of roning there would in a few years allow him to try to stage a coup if he is mainly focusing on military might. Now coups are unlikely to happen in a clan in that way but with a scorpion in his ear they might happen.
 
Scia said:
Aye, Jirou being the next daimyo is what I am midly concerned with especially as the amount of roning there would in a few years allow him to try to stage a coup if he is mainly focusing on military might. Now coups are unlikely to happen in a clan in that way but with a scorpion in his ear they might happen.
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Ehhh...a coup is probably a worst case scenario, but a discontented young daimyo who isn't really good at his job is going to cause many, many other problems that aren't a full fledged civil war. Not to mention that it's basically begging the Scorpion to start messing with us, that kind of situation right next door is to the Clan of Secrets as a juicy steak dropped on the ground is to a starving pit bull.
 
He still has time to learn though. While it could turn out bad, we can't count him out just because of how he is now. Besides, he's unlikely to attempt a coup because then he's a traitor to the empire.
 
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He still has time to learn though.
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Who's going to teach him, though? If Boss Koibu could get him to shape up he would have done it already, not to mention that as Daimyo he's going to have a thousand things he has to handle. And with Jirou off in Wave Province Tsubaki won't be able to take him in hand herself.
 
My only problem with making our old boss a Damio is that we will lose him as an advisor.

But on the other hand, better to have people that you can trust in there.

[x] Plan Candesce
 
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