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Kantai Collection - Fanfic Idea and Recs

So... I ran the information on the gun that was dropped through Google Translate and got this:
Excellent double gun that was developed and deployed in the United States. It is widely operated single armament artillery as a mounting main gun of the same destroyer class.
This artillery that demonstrated superior practicality in anti-aircraft battle and anti-aircraft combat is the Fletcher class destroyer and the Kurita fleet main force off the Leyte
Evacuate destroyers who struggled to defend the toffee 3 escort carrier group were also equipped as main guns.
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Besides Google Translate being Google Translate, it sounds like it's a Fletcher.
 
So Heermann, Hoel, or probably Johnston. Sounds good!

Also, In honor of the release of Gambier Bay, I dug up these pre-kancolle renditions of some of GB's sisters:

13 Casablanca Class Kaiser Girls. Six of them Taffy Girls. Three Taffy 3, Two Taffy 1, and One Taffy 2:





USS Guadalcanal


USS St. Lo Taffy 3


Kaiser Girls Building Saginaw Bay and Petrof Bay part of Taffy 1


USS Natoma Bay, hit but still standing Taffy 2


USS Tripoli

An ill wind blows... USS Nehenta Bay

Launching of USS Nassuk Bay

USS Makin Island

Hello? TF-34? Where ARE you?
Taffy 3 USS White Plains w/ USS Kalinin Bay behind​
 
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Actually its 35 knots
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You are right about that. Thanks. I get that wrong a lot.
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Meaning that she would have zero ammo and almost no fuel to make that speed
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Given that it was a shakedown, when the Iowas were coming out of mothballs, I'd imagine so.

The rest of the story I'm not so sure about. Allegedly, the captain ordered from "all ahead flank" to "all back emergency" and J took two miles to stop. I know Wisky went through a barn door stop.
 
Well, there is also the apocryphal story involving Mo and an island with armed with turrets from the A-150s. But that's something generally considered a tall tale despite it popping up with some frequency.
 
The little Merchant Marine story I've been working on, tentative title "Con Voyage"/"ConVoyage" is actually starting to pan out pretty well in my head. I'd just like to ask if anyone could point me towards WW2 convoy information (preferably diagrams/vessel populations) that I can stealuse for scene planning?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Try googling "ww2 convoy formations and tactics".

I did, and got this:
Convoy - Wikipedia


Convoy - Wikipedia

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Battleships were the main reason that the British Admiralty did not adopt convoy tactics at the start of the first Battle of the Atlantic in World War I. But the German capital ships had been bottled up in the North Sea, and the main threat to shipping came from U-boats. From a tactical point of view, World War I–era submarines ...
‎Convoy (disambiguation) · ‎Malta convoys · ‎Convoy of Hope · ‎Aid Convoy
Wolfpack (naval tactic) - Wikipedia


Wolfpack (naval tactic) - Wikipedia

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The term wolfpack refers to the mass-attack tactics against convoys used by German U-boats of the Kriegsmarine during the Battle of the Atlantic, and by submarines of the United States Navy against Japanese shipping in the Pacific Ocean in World War II.
The Convoy System - Military History Online


www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/atlantic/convoy.aspx

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15 de des. 2002 - An in-depth study of the Battle of the Atlantic. ... By far the most important and vital were the North Atlantic convoy routes. Without ... over the merchant ships in its convoy, so if it were absent for two hours searching for or attacking a contact, it might take it a further two hours to catch up with the convoy again.
U-Boat Tactics: The Wolf Pack - Uboataces


www.uboataces.com › U-Boat Tactics

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Learn about the u-boat wolf pack tactics or rudeltaktik as it was known to the Germans. Made famous by Karl Donitz, wolf pack operations was devised to defeat the British convoy system and was was to have a devastating impact during the Battle of the Atlantic.
World War 2: Convoy was the key to defeat of U-boats last time ...


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14 de set. 2009 - World War 2: Convoy was the key to defeat of U-boats last time. The news ... How the system worked is described below by one who was actively engaged in it on the Atlantic routes. In an office high ... Ships in a convoy were continually zig-zagging in close formation, leaving little room for intrusion. Besides ...
Imatges sobre ww2 convoy formations and tactics

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World War II (U-Boat Wolf Pack Tactic) - YouTube


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18 d'abr. 2014 - Penjat per Docs Media
During the First World War, the British had defeated the U-boats by introducing theconvoy system. This called ...

British naval convoy system introduced - May 24, 1917 - HISTORY.com


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On this day in 1917, driven by the spectacular success of the German U-boat submarines and their attacks on Allied and neutral ships at sea, the British Royal Navy introduces a newly created convoysystem, whereby all merchant ships crossing the Atlantic Ocean would travel in groups under the protection of the British ...
Convoy | naval operations | Britannica.com


Convoy | naval operations

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During World War II the convoy system was developed to its fullest extent, and it played a decisive role in achieving victory against the formidable German ... radio communications permitted convoys to be more easily coordinated, and afforded greater protection against the new German tactics of marshalling U-boats into ...
U-boat Tactics in World War II - Resultat de Google Llibres


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Gordon Williamson - 2012 - ‎History
CONVOY. NIGHT. SURFACE. ATTACKS. Such attacks were pioneered by the most successful of the 'ace' commanders, Korvettenkapitän Otto Kretschmer, who ... A further benefit of attacking on the surface was that the Uboat, powered by its diesel engines, could move much faster and further than it could underwater when ...
 
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Please teach us, about who "we" were...before we forget who "we" were.





Doujin rec: A Kind Hell, by kawashina (momen silicon).

Pool number 13548 on danbooru.

Newly uploaded on danbooru, an anthology of four connected short, contemplative stories:

The first is about Taihou, newly summoned by an abandoned, admiral-less base.

The second is Kasumi and Z1 Lebe talking about a memorial shrine for the shipgirls sank before the damecon and safety procedures (retreat at red) are implemented.

The third is Suzuya and Admiral encountering some students and their teacher who got lost near the base. They wanted to see the sea, apparently being so far removed from it due to the war.

The fourth...should be read firsthand.

The stories introduce a concept of distinction between drops (sea-born) and construction (land-born) girls.

The abandoned girls in the first story has been alone for so long that their rigging disappeared, and the reason they built Taihou is that as a new construction, she still has her rigging, and can thus teach and remind the girls who they were, before they fade away completely.


Appropriate music for reading this story:
 
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Question: how much do you think shipgirls can heal from?

For the fic I'm working on, I'm going with the idea they can regenerate not only lost limbs but up to half their bodies. They're half physical, half ethereal and the green repair fluid is of a similar composition. It both causes a half cellular half metallic regeneration process while also drawing in some kind of matter or energy from the afterlife in order to regenerate an entire kanmusu body. Granted this means they can end up looking like the cover of a Cannibal Corpse album for a few days or so but it makes their toughness and resilience terrifying even to normal humans.
 
There's a doujin where Zuikaku comes rushing into the Admiral's office carrying Shoukaku's head... which he grabs and drops into a Instant Repair Bucket and regenerates her whole body.
 
In my interpretation, the short answer is "a lot", the long answer is "it kinda depends."

Conventional weapons are almost useless against shipgirls, damage inflicted is recovered almost instantaneously. Shipgirls can survive in infomorphic/"soul"/Aspect form even past the total destruction of their body, and this Aspect can later be resummoned in the forges. This, on top of being hard to kill in the first place, since I'm also going with the concept of non-physical shields.

Abyssals are beginning to learn, of course, and over time they began development of weapons capable of inhibiting this effect. Weapons made to inflict suffering and disrupt regeneration, so to speak.
 
I put it down as "As much as they could have as a ship, plus more due to their nature." So in DFH Sendai gets one of her feet holed due to it being right next to an exploding sub, and while normally that would be flooded she's able to prevent that by standing on one foot. Ayanami has her torpedo mags explode but doesn't have to worry about sinking because they're so far above the waterline, and their distributed shape means that mag explosions for them are a lot less dangerous.

A shipgirl can be dragged underwater and will pop back up to the surface, because only their lungs will flood. It's not pleasant, and they can't run their generators while doing that, but it's not unrecoverable like with a completely submerged ship. (The same applies for Abyssals, except they can't drown. Thus sub-towing is viable for surface combatants.)

I think there's also some weird effect that reduces the effect of pressure waves on them (like Sendai only having one foot wrecked, or bombs only affecting the part of them that they hit, not everywhere like you'd expect)
 
Sorry if this sounds a bit heavy. So we've had plenty of stories, and plenty of moments in stories, where the Axis shipgirls confront the infamous legacy of their country's past. This is most common with the German and Japanese shipgirls (for obvious reasons), but I also recall having read a snippet where Roma winces when she hears Libeccio describe a fascist monument built during Franco's reign as "cool".

How about the same exact thing, except with Allied shipgirls instead? Or are there already fics like this?

Like, for example, the Royal Navy and Marine Nationale girls encountering reminders or remnants of the legacy of Empire, and/or of both European Empire's efforts to keep their colonies after winning WWII, a supposedly "good" war that was fought to "stop tyranny and oppression".

What about the American shipgirls and all the skeevy shit that the CIA pulled during the Cold War, mostly in third-world countries, subverting democratic process for the "sake of democracy" (you could argue that the navy and the intelligence services are two distinct groups, but the victims aren't likely to care about that. The Holocaust and Unit 731 were mainly perpetuated by a ground paramilitary and an Army, respectively, not any Navy, and yet we almost never see the shipgirls in fanworks dismiss them in that way).

I'm not trying to tear down the Allied Nations Shipgirls, by the way. But it would be a nice change of pace to have an allied Shipgirl that's ashamed of her nation's history for something, or acknowledge that, for all that their nations were on the "right side" of history their nations still did a lot of despicable things, instead of just being patriot-bots.
 
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Sorry if this sounds a bit heavy. So we've had plenty of stories, and plenty of moments in stories, where the Axis shipgirls confront the infamous legacy of their country's past. This is most common with the German and Japanese shipgirls (for obvious reasons), but I also recall having read a snippet where Roma winces when she hears Libeccio describe a fascist monument built during Franco's reign as "cool".

How about the same exact thing, except with Allied shipgirls instead? Or are there already fics like this?

Like, for example, the Royal Navy and Marine Nationale girls encountering reminders or remnants of the legacy of Empire, and/or of both European Empire's efforts to keep their colonies after winning WWII, a supposedly "good" war that was fought to "stop tyranny and oppression".

What about the American shipgirls and all the skeevy shit that the CIA pulled during the Cold War, mostly in third-world countries, subverting democratic process for the "sake of democracy" (you could argue that the navy and the intelligence services are two distinct groups, but the victims aren't likely to care about that. The Holocaust and Unit 731 were mainly perpetuated by a ground paramilitary and an Army, respectively, not any Navy, and yet we almost never see the shipgirls in fanworks dismiss them in that way).

I'm not trying to tear down the Allied Nations Shipgirls, by the way. But it would be a nice change of pace to have an allied Shipgirl that's ashamed of her nation's history for something, or acknowledge that, for all that their nations were on the "right side" of history their nations still did a lot of despicable things, instead of just being patriot-bots.
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Read Sheo Darren's New Ironsides I think you'll find a balance there.
 
Inter-VersaLoli said:
Sorry if this sounds a bit heavy. So we've had plenty of stories, and plenty of moments in stories, where the Axis shipgirls confront the infamous legacy of their country's past. This is most common with the German and Japanese shipgirls (for obvious reasons), but I also recall having read a snippet where Roma winces when she hears Libeccio describe a fascist monument built during Franco's reign as "cool".

How about the same exact thing, except with Allied shipgirls instead? Or are there already fics like this?

Like, for example, the Royal Navy and Marine Nationale girls encountering reminders or remnants of the legacy of Empire, and/or of both European Empire's efforts to keep their colonies after winning WWII, a supposedly "good" war that was fought to "stop tyranny and oppression".

What about the American shipgirls and all the skeevy shit that the CIA pulled during the Cold War, mostly in third-world countries, subverting democratic process for the "sake of democracy" (you could argue that the navy and the intelligence services are two distinct groups, but the victims aren't likely to care about that. The Holocaust and Unit 731 were mainly perpetuated by a ground paramilitary and an Army, respectively, not any Navy, and yet we almost never see the shipgirls in fanworks dismiss them in that way).

I'm not trying to tear down the Allied Nations Shipgirls, by the way. But it would be a nice change of pace to have an allied Shipgirl that's ashamed of her nation's history for something, or acknowledge that, for all that their nations were on the "right side" of history their nations still did a lot of despicable things, instead of just being patriot-bots.
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Are you suggesting that the Allies took actions comparable to the Holocaust or the various war crimes committed in China?
 
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In what way, exactly? Because I took a skim of it and it seemed to be yet another tiresome 'MURICA story. What about a story where foreign ships call out Americans for their bullshit, for once.
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Main character participates in the American occupation of Veracruz during the Mexican Revolution. Talks to a Mexican ship, who gives the Mexican perspective on American interventionism, as well as the historical background for Mexican-American tensions.
 
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The aforementioned New Ironsides DOES cover the idea that even a nation that considers itself just can be wrong.

Mexico and the so-called Banana Wars and the proxy wars of the Cold War ARE some of the darkest times for the American soul BUT there is a problem in utilizing these in most kancolle fiction: Few American shipgirls will have been around for them. Sure, New Jersey and Intrepid were around for Vietnam but they won't have an infantry man's perspective and that certainly will never be the conflict that defines them. WW2 defines most kanmusu and while if one looks for them, one can find acts of cruelty on all sides, Like it or not, there were states that were clearly the ones trying to bring other nations under their boot by force and those which fought back.

While Graf Spee as a kanmusu could very properly point out the extreme care her Captain took in preserving the lives of the seamen from the merchant ships she sank, the pride WHICH SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGED must be viewed against the backdrop that the cause that the German Navy, an organization that for the most part, fought with great honor and dignity, was still being sent into conflict for the purpose of conquest.

Japanese Kanmusu... Could justly state that they felt Japan was forced to act but they still have to face that the war in China was NOT a war to protect the Home islands but to force China to submit to the Empire. (And that is a war in which Kaga was made an active participant, bombing Chinese cities) That while maybe the old colonial Empires were a nasty business, the Japanese conquest of the Far East was about forging a Japanese dominated colonial Empire. And as for America, Most Japanese kanmusu are proud of their service against the US Navy as a whole but many older ones share Yamamoto's feeling of dismay that the war was begun in a 'dishonorable' fashion. (Frankly, I find it absurd the notion that a declaration of war delivered 30 minutes before an obviously intended surprise attack rather than two hours later is anything more than an imaginary line between honorable and dishonorable but Yamamoto believed in it and girls like Nagato and proud Kaga tend to be seen as sharing it.)

Whereas most American kanmusu have the basic history that "We were minding our own business when we were kicked in our beds and woke up to find a world gone mad. So we got up and took care of business!'

Can a story where a Kanmusu built at the Shipyard at Nagasaki and spent a good portion of her career at Hiroshima Bay tell a proud and particularly overly zealous American off by pointing out what beautiful places the city of her birth and the city of her youth were before America destroyed them work? Absolutely! But it would be a story very layered and you'd probably have to do more than skim it.
 
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