*sigh* Read my posts and comprehend what I am saying. Then get back to me.
I'm talking specifically about the BB vs carrier thing
Sir, I have been and continue to read and reread your posts, and I am trying to comprehend what you are saying. What I'm getting out of it is that you asked why ships with guns were still relevant in the face of ships that were carriers in Kantai Collection fics. Is that about accurate, or is there something else I should be seeing here? Because if there is something else, you're going to want to make it a heck of a lot clearer.
Anyways, I then responded to this question by pointing out that in Kantai Collection fics and stories, we have World War II era warships coming back in the form of girls of varying ages whilst still having the firepower, ability to go on water, and so forth of the original warships - specifics of how they come back and so forth can vary from fic to fic. When this is the case, I continued, assuming that the mechanics of combat and so forth are exact matches to the mechanics of combat in real life, e.g. assuming that the mechanics of combat are "realistic", is inherently an assumption that is not necessarily true. As such, it should be checked rather than merely assumed. At least, that's what I was trying to say. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.
You then accused me of "whining about realism". As you might imagine, I was more than a little annoyed by this.
You haven't answered anything like at all. This sentence is just for the sake of it. I'm saying they shouldn't at all.
Belated Battleships deliberately guts the carriers by having them nearly not be there at all and then the focus of the fic being on BB. It even explains why the big gun ships are relevant. The question I was asking and saying people should ask is why are the big guns ships relevant in the first place. Shipgirl magic has the ships spirits come back and still have all their capabilities as ships making them superhuman. Some fics have levelling affects to explain them and Abyssals beating up human/modern navies. But nowhere has it been made of BB being due to magic superior to carriers.
And I say all this as someone who likes BB ships or fleet battles of ships fighting each other rather then "Lol. planes in the air bombing all chumps to dust! GG"
edit: Hell for a rationalization, you could have it that the shipgirls being in command of all their guns and having the rangefinders and radar so as part of their senses can combine them so as to have more accurate targeting for the anti-aircraft guns plus them being quote small compared to their former bodies. And they can fire them at command rather then have fallible humans doing the firing. Hell the girls are far more agile in their new form compared to the old forms. Allows for more dodging.
Once again, perhaps I was unclear and blinded by the idea of the witty one-liner. Let me try again: we can see that something has been changed to allow battleship kanmusu to remain relevant in the face of the existence of carrier kanmusu in these fics simply through the fact that battleship kanmusu are still relevant.
I'm sure you can agree that if nothing at all had been changed, battleships would be largely useful only for shore bombardment and for providing carriers with anti-aircraft escort as they came to be in real life, yes? Since this is not the case, it can naturally be extrapolated that something has been changed. Precisely what has been changed can vary between the different works, however.
For many fics the author likely just pushes the question aside and asks for the readers to give their suspension of disbelief in this regard; "For the sake of the story I am trying to tell," the authors ask implicitly in their writing, "please just accept the idea that battleship kanmusu can still be relevant." I myself do not think this is a terribly large thing to ask, but perhaps you have different standards. For other fics, as I have mentioned, the answer can simply be "magic"; the introduction of some new rule imposed by the magical nature of kanmusu that levels the playing field in some way. Even your attempted rationalization falls under this second heading to an extent, as it requires that the girls behave as girls on the water instead of as their hulls - something that is not true for all fics, I hope you realize - requires that they be able to utilize their equipment better in their new magic-given shape than they were able to while they were normal warships... I can go on. And then there would be a third sort of fic, where the battleship kanmusu are, in fact, rendered useless due to the presence of carrier kanmusu.
