Kal and Mon3tr with the save. That true damage is doing work keeping Andoian off our back. Sure, he keeps coming back, but that just means Mon3tr has a new chew toy, effectively allowing Sieg to duel Jamie where we have the advantage.

I say we clash with Jamie to keep him from sundering the arena, yell at him if he really thinks Flametail would approve of this plan, and if he's really so far gone he'd subject his fellow infected through the process of turning into inhuman monsters.

Also maybe point out that Andoian, the only other Apostle here, doesn't seem to be a willing follower.

Speaking of Andoian though, seems like he also a EGO gift, Der Freischütz to be specific. We're gonna need to keep an eye on Adam's movements since between that and WhiteNight, it seems like he has quite the library of Abnormalities with him.
 
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Nah, p sure Andoian doesn't have any EGO related things, he just can do those bullet tricks naturally.
Though interesting even now he's doing the no 6th bullet thing all Sankta follow.
 
[X] Smash Jaimie through his own winds, towards Arabella and out of the Arena, if you can manage it. They seem focused on keeping things outside, and you can already smash through anyways.
-[X] Tell him the Mirrored Knight had some sort of plan to help the infected, and that Adam shouldn't have to worry about losing the fight when his team is unkillable. Does Jamie think that the new guy would try to hide a working plan from him, to keep global distortion on track?

Not sure if this really covers everything, but I wanted to get the idea out there of moving the fight towards a more advantageous position. Our priority target is pretty much exclusively Jamie right now, the others have it handled.
 
I wonder, could we smash Jamie upwards into the air? Like make a corridor of fluids but vertical instead of horizontal. Sure it's gonna splash down eventually but it might buy us time in addition to being a really cool finisher.
 
Would any of you be open to trying out beta-ing? I don't have one of those, never had. I'm unsure of how to go about it.
I'd be willing to give it a shot, if you're interested in having me.
"You got a name?" you ask it. It shakes its head. Guess that's a yes?

Ayam looks sheepish.

"All right, I'll call you Joe." you say.

It looks scandalized.
He'll never escape that name, not until the end of time. Joe it is, now and forevermore.
It feels… you have felt like this before.

Like you're swimming in the Great Lake. It is clear, and yet… it is as clingy and choking as the muddy, rotten water of the U-Corp Backstreets.

Your tail- did you ever have a tail- sways slowly behind you. Your muscles contract even further. Your mouths- now two- open involuntarily, and words spill out of it, your long tongue drinking greedily of the wind.

"What a rainbow." you whisper softly, as the world gleams. Your senses become slurred, confused, and you barely hold back a giggle. "What colors…"
The power-up sequence was exactly as cool as I'd hoped.

"Succumb ... to the Weight ... of the Dreaming Current."
You punch clear through the storm- your entire body a fishy battering ram- and you see someone.

That someone screams in surprise, eyes wide in shock behind the veil that covers their face. They try to bring out something, a few feathers coalescing into a black staff, but you're having none of that.

You slam into Adam's body, seeming untouchability completely forgotten. Your head collides directly with his stomach, and all air is pushed out of his lungs. He wheezes- for a second.
AHAHAHA! This went so much better than I possibly could've hoped. I didn't even consider the possibility the book would allow us to attack Adam, although it's certainly appreciated.
You sidestep the crushing blow and duck past the gale's forceful grasp. The second mouth on your neck is beginning the process of closing up into a simple patch of skin and your sight stopped being blurry. The Dreaming Current's immaterial presence giggles with approval, slithering back into the book. Your tail twitches. It feels like the Abnormality has given you something, but you can't pin down what.

No matter.
Hmm, so it seems that the more dramatic physical transformations faded as we got more control over the Abnormality, and it's granted us an EGO gift, implied to be Sieg's new tail - presumably that of a shark's. Well, it'll make blending in with the Terran locals easier, even if we're likely to get pulled over in Iberia.
He can't realign the trajectory of his bullets while they are flying. He can only decide their initial path- with what you suspect is an extremely advanced sense of timing- and their post-ricochet path.

In addition to this, he cannot control bullets you have ricocheted, for reasons unknown to you. If you hit one with your sword, it will not immediately realign to pierce your heart.

You suspect he can, and is deliberately not using this power. Adam has not noticed- he doesn't seem to find the behavior of the bullets strange, and the look on his eyes is strained. Disloyalty?

Ergo, if you simply ricochet them into the air you should be safe. Back in that alley, that was very risky- you could have hit someone and that would be a real pain in your side.
So we know IC that Ado is sandbagging, which is useful. If Adam doesn't know he can do something, he can't order him to do it - gives us more info on how the control works. A more immediate utility for this information isn't obvious, but it's a nugget to tuck away.
"Jamie." says Adam. "Sunder the arena."

The man gasps.

"...sunder the arena?"

The fragment shakes his head.

"We can't win. You're strong, but going up against everyone here is suicide. You're already struggling with the Color." he says.
Alright, it seems like their current plan is to escape. Our goal is to stop them, with whatever means needed, since Adam and co. on the loose can cause all kinds of havoc.
"...you might be thinking of Abel. I say he is a fool who mistook implanted memories for his own. We are not Ayin. We have identities of our own!" he says. "While I hid from Angela's gaze, I started to think, you see. I had been blind. I grew drunk on power, you see. I grew too convinced that what we did was for a higher cause, his higher cause and that all of my actions would thus be justified. I followed a path without knowing what it was. I believed in a revelation without true conviction. Releasing the Abnormalities! What a pedestrian plan."
Well, this feels like an obvious psychological button to hit when engaging in banter with Adam. He says he's his own person, that he has his own fabulous new plan - but does he really believe it? When somebody's got something to prove, it makes them predictable.
"Not enough. What scant fragments are enough to Distort a few, but I want magnitude. I believe- I sincerely, truly believe- that giving the power to every single person on this planet is the correct path."

…so.

"To make…"

"Everyone into an E.G.O user or Distortion, yes. I don't mind what the proportion ends up being. I'll welcome it all with open arms."
How charming. Transformation and revolution for its own sake, since clearly life is so awful whatever this would entail must be better!
Adam flinches for a second. Jamie doesn't see it. He's looking at you.
Aha! What an amateur mistake - we were right, Adam's control over Jaime must be compromised at the very least.
"If you are referring to the attempt to speak to my friends in Pinus Sylvestris, it was not intent to be a kidnapping. I do believe that I can convince Sona to take the mark." he says. "And… this power. It might be our only chance. Competing in the Majors did nothing. For all the respect I can give to the Blood Knight, I might say his efforts made our situation worse. He is defending those under him, but the rest? We gained the privilege of fighting- and dying- in their cage matches. Nothing more."
... Now, this isn't a useful as we might hope, since Jaime currently doesn't need to be mind-controlled. Adam's not hiding anything; he was the one behind the kidnapping attempt!
"What is the alternative? Sit there, watching them butcher us freely? The Armorless Union had plans to kill us all in this very Major! Area 0 is a slaughterhouse!" he roars. "With this power- we can flip the chessboard. With this power, we can upend their order. What else can we do? Revolt? We would be crushed! The campaign knights would never fight by our side, they would massacre us! The Silverlance are the enforcers of Kazimierz's military might, of the noble houses, of the tyrants of this nation! They would destroy us."

You…

You have the feeling you're not exactly qualified for this. There's just too much context you're missing.
And this the crux of the matter - Jaime's viewpoint is flawed, but Sieg simply doesn't have the context to properly engage with his argument, nor an emotional connection to call upon. He's not even a native of Terra, for crying out loud, Sieg doesn't understand the emotional and historical context behind Oripathy. All of this means that even as we know that talking Jaime down is possible, it doesn't seem plausible for Sieg to do it. My best current guess would be to invoke his faith in another figure, such as Nearl (although that could easily backfire) or to point out that the rest of Pinus Sylvestris is currently against him, and ask if he's willing to kill his brothers and sisters to save them.
You could go for the Current again- it seems that it can hit him, for some strange reason. But he isn't even wounded. That impact would have tore clean through the body of even a Grade 1 Fixer.
Hm. It seems the Current's ability to actually damage Adam is limited, unfortunately.
Jamie grabs your arm with renewed strength. Grappling? The fog is dissipating.

"Again." you say.

Joe spits another jet of blood, directly on the eyeslit of his helmet. He screams, and your leg rises to kick him in the chin.

Jump, dodge a sweeping kick. Take the sword out of his stomach.
Jesus, Sieg is absolutely dismantling Jaime in combat. I don't think we've inflicted anything lasting so far, but surely he can only take so much of this punishment.
Kal'tsit is smashing Andoain to pieces repeatedly, but he just keeps getting back up. And you can't afford to grab the book and concentrate for another charge to disrupt Adam's healing.
This is the current situation - Sieg and Kal can individually beat out Andoian and Jaime, but not hard enough to get to Adam who's providing power-boosting and healing. We need some way to disrupt this paradigm.
"Abel relayed their position and Mon3tr made do. Amiya is doing the same right now. Though the storm is blocking communications, he managed to get through with some effort. That will not occur again until the wind ceases, unfortunately." she answers. "And I do not have much of a plan, lacking in information as I am. Do you?
Well, that's the question, ain't it? Amiya's about to bust in, which means this turns into a 3v3 and they lose.
"Jamie-" screams Adam. "We don't have much more time. They'll win. Sunder the arena!"

The knight's hand moves. Before anything can happen, time slows down to a crawl.
Adam knows this and is hitting the panic button to GTFO. Our wincon is just to pin them down and prevent Jaime from "sundering" the arena, which is a great deal more doable than trying to outright win the fight.

Now, how to pull that off ...?
 
No, Sankta by the word of their Law can't seem to fire the 6th bullet. If they do the Law sky lasers them to death
Huh, is that new lore from the CN server? The only similar incident I can recall was with Outcast when she wiped out a bunch of elites from Dublinn. At the time, I assumed it was her own unique Arts rather than the Law coming to smite her.

Interesting that Adam stopped Andoian however, considering Apostles can just be revived and the orbital laser's AoE might have killed Sieg and co.

Could indicate that Feranmuts, or at least the Law, might be able to permakill the Apostles or get through WhiteNight's invulnerability somehow.
 
Kal and Mon3tr with the save. That true damage is doing work keeping Andoian off our back. Sure, he keeps coming back, but that just means Mon3tr has a new chew toy, effectively allowing Sieg to duel Jamie where we have the advantage.

I say we clash with Jamie to keep him from sundering the arena, yell at him if he really thinks Flametail would approve of this plan, and if he's really so far gone he'd subject his fellow infected through the process of turning into inhuman monsters.

Also maybe point out that Andoian, the only other Apostle here, doesn't seem to be a willing follower.

Speaking of Andoian though, seems like he also a EGO gift, Der Freischütz to be specific. We're gonna need to keep an eye on Adam's movements since between that and WhiteNight, it seems like he has quite the library of Abnormalities with him.
This is roughly my current thought process. Adam's ability to heal and buff is very powerful, but since our current goal is just to tie them down, it's not actually a huge deal. I'm thinking we send Kal back out to tackle Andoian while Sieg continues dueling Jaime, presumably distracting him enough to prevent the knight from destroying the arena. The best way to do this is by continuing to punch him in the face, and keeping at the bantz, trying to see if we find something that sticks. We can't give him hope in Kazimeriez, but we probably can convince him Adam is a really bad dude. He's still under the impression that the "Blessing" is a good thing - see if we can break that. Tell him Adam was expecting Jaime to distort after fighting Nearl, and his EGO has likely broken the mind control. Most of all, harp on the fact that Jaime runs a fucking orphanage! He has all this power now, and the only thing he can think to offer his kids is Madness and Death? Is that really what he's fighting for?

Right now I'm brainstorming any combat details we can use against Jaime - Joe's clearly capable of a lot.
 
Also we have Mirrored Light to use if nothing else and I think this is a appropriate moment to use it
 
Huh, is that new lore from the CN server? The only similar incident I can recall was with Outcast when she wiped out a bunch of elites from Dublinn. At the time, I assumed it was her own unique Arts rather than the Law coming to smite her.

Interesting that Adam stopped Andoian however, considering Apostles can just be revived and the orbital laser's AoE might have killed Sieg and co.

Could indicate that Feranmuts, or at least the Law, might be able to permakill the Apostles or get through WhiteNight's invulnerability somehow.
more extrapolation, given you have stuff like Exu's S3 which only has 5/6 chambers filled. Plus Outcast specifically noted something, can't remember fully atm, about using 6 shots at a time instead of 5 then reloading. Also said orbital laser was focused specifically on Outcast
 
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Mlynar should also be showing up soon, hopefully. So if we can at least stall them, we can get him on the fun as well.

I'm... I'm not sure what Mlynar would say in response to Jamie, but it would definitely be something.
 
Alright, our wincon here is to pin the terrible trio in place and prevent them from escaping, since Amiya is soon to breach the Storm, at which point the odds shift heavily in our favor.
"Jamie-" screams Adam. "We don't have much more time. They'll win. Sunder the arena!"

The knight's hand moves. Before anything can happen, time slows down to a crawl.
The big question is how much time does Jaime need to do this. I'm going to assume it's a more involved process than touching the ground, but the context seems to indicate that he can do it reasonably quickly. Do we have the time to pull off another Dreaming Current charge? It feels like a risky play, and now that the enemy is aware of it, they're likely to dodge out of the way or elsewise be prepared.
thenew mentioned it a few times before. We couldn't use it before since we had Fairy in us, but it should be fine now.
Having searched the thread for it, Mirrored Light is an ultimate ability Sieg had in the LoR mod. It seems to rely on a profusion of Light and perhaps the assistance of the 'Voice' to work, however, so I'm unsure if we could pull it off. I'll wait for the QM to give their own verdict before adding it to the plan.
 
[X] Pressure Jamie as much as possible and buy time/defeat him

Adam looks like he wants to gtfo with Jamie and it seems we cannot reality do anything to Adam so we need to deprive him of resources, in this case minions.
 
[X] Plan: Skewered In Place
-[X] With Amiya soon to make her entrance, time is on your side. You just have to keep the terrible trio from making their escape until enough reinforcements pile in, which changes the fight's paradigm. Adam's ability to heal is no longer a major concern given that you don't need to kill them immediately, so you and Kal 'merely' need to focus on Andoian and Jaime.
--[X] Dr. Kal'tsit will continue to handle the Sankta gunman while you engage with the Flagbearer, applying enough pressure to ensure he cannot 'sunder the arena.' The goal is explicitly to disrupt his focus, as with Adam in the ring you almost certainly cannot deliver an ending blow; continue to work with Joe to obstruct visibility, launch stinging ranged attacks, and whatever other utility the handy symbiote can offer.
---[X] Should it prove necessary to block their escape, and you are capable of it, unleash Mirrored Light.
-[X] Adam's flinch and Andoian's agony tell you everything you need to know. Jaime wasn't supposed to form an EGO, doing so must have given him some degree of independence from the Fragment's mind-control. Although the man's motivations are bound in context you don't understand, you can at the very least shed light on the nature of his Devil's Deal, and speak from your own heart. At the very least, it's another way to tug his focus from Adam's assigned task. A battle is no place for a reasoned argument, but there are a few key points you can hit between the clash of blades.
--[X] "Haven't you ever looked your partner in the eyes? The 'Mark' is no blessing, it's a contract that binds you to the Fragment's will. That's the fate you sought to inflict on your friend and my charge! That is the nature of your patron!"
--[X] "By the City's sake, man, you run an orphanage! You have the power of an EGO, and the only thing you can think to offer those children is the madness and death of a world in chaos?"
--[X] "You cannot out-evil the Head! You never can! What matters in the end is your comrades and friends, and you have forsaken them for a devil in disguise!"

I think the strategic situation is actually fairly simple, since the current status-quo is actually in our favor and we simply need to stop Adam's band from escaping. More difficult is continuing to try and peel Jaime away. As Sieg pointed out, he cannot relate or refute any of Jaime's specific grievances with Kazimeriez, but there is stuff he can still say about Adam's nature and advice he can give from living in the City all his life. The dialogue is absolutely just a general suggestion, and not something Sieg is expected to exactly quote.

Overall, our goal is to prevent Jaime from letting the foe escape, and keeping him distracted can be done with words as much as our blade.
 
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If we don't know his point of view, then why not tell him from ours? Also love how emotional the last 3 parts seem.
As a rule, Sieg is a tremendously composed person - they don't call him the Steel Determination for nothing. But that's not the same thing as being without emotion, trauma, or conviction. He's been through the paces as well, carved out a spot in an utterly hostile and unfair system, and made his peace with it through the bonds of camaraderie. Jaime had that, with the Pinus Sylvestris ... but it wasn't enough, and now he stands poised to ruin everything good in his life, to sully his very soul on a level Kazimierz never managed.

I think that Sieg might be able to get across that Jaime is making a mistake, because although the specifics of the Infected and Terra are lost on him, the basic emotional crux is a thing anybody who's tried to be a person in a system inherently hostile to humanity can relate with.
 
Sieghart's sprite in the character sheet hasn't been changed (yet), so either it will later or the tail is temporary.

I like the idea that its an EGO passive, the same way that limbus works, but if it is I havent noticed it doing much other than be there.
 
If anybody would like to suggest a more detailed combat vote, I'd be all ears, since right now it feels a tad underbaked compared to the social aspect. I think the basic strategy of it is sound, but perhaps we could take better advantage of Kal'tsit or come up with something else novel, since right now we're not really pulling out anything the foe hasn't already seen, which makes me uneasy. Surely there's some kind of card still up our sleeves that's appropriate for the situation?
 
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