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It Belongs to a Museum

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DragonParadox said:
To be fair on this one I think the empire is still worse off than it was before the Black Death in some ways.
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In terms of held territory, it has definitely shrunk from the greatest extent it held at the end of Sigismund the Conqueror's reign (the regions of Montfort and Parravon as the West March, the Southern Oblast of Kislev divided between Ostland and Ostermark, Lichtenberg in what would become the Border Princes, Marienburg). But I'm not so sure it can be called worse off in most other respects.
 
JowKeen said:
A POX! A POX UPON ALL GIFT SHOPS! WHEN MY LOCAL CHURCH SPROUTED ONE GIFT SHOP SOON A SECOND APPEARED NEAR TO IT FOR THE PEDDLEMENT OF PROPAGANDA AND ADDITIONAL KNICK KNACKS! TUMOROUS THINGS! ALACK! NURGLE LAUGHS AND GIGGLES AND FARTS MUSTILY WHEN A NEW GIFT SHOP APPEARS TO STRIKE DESPAIR IN THE HEARTS OF THE @ BoneyM

I SIMPLY WILL NOT CONDONE IT!!

IF WE REALLY WANT SOMETHING COOL WE SET UP AN OFFICIAL PRINCESS WAY STATION OF VARIOUS SEA SUPPLIES SPONSORED BY PRINCESS AELSABRIM, FOR THE DISCERNING MUSUEM GOER THAT WISHES TO not perish FOR SOME REASON!

MAYHAPS SUCH WILL SECURE HER RULE MORE SQUARELY AND ALLOW HER TO BE PATRON TO OUR HUMBLE (and not written exclusively in caps lock) MUSEUM!!!
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Huh, I didn't know @Nurgle was such a fan. I'd always taken him more of a kindergarten guy, for church-adjacent-places. If there's any cauldrons of Nurgle in this world, it's kindergarten.
 
I only caught bits and pieces of this "gift shop" discussion so I might be misunderstanding, but for the record I wouldn't think of such a thing as being capitalist or mercantile or being in any way about making money in particular.

Rather it would be about satisfying the desire of visitors to "take home a piece of history", something that they can hang on their wall or put on a shelf and remind them of the exhibits they saw. Since there are no photographs or anything, it would be a physical object you can show off to other people and invite them to visit as well. Pilgrims to the Holy Land during late antiquity and the medieval period did that all the time. (The people selling relics/souvenirs to them had a more profit-oriented motive sure, but it also satisfied a genuine desire of the pilgrims.)
 
CornyBones said:
Can you cultivate the same audience multiple times? It seems like it would be tied to fufilling interests more than cultivating it X-times-more.

Also an action for each audience, i think?
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Currently yes, but it does seem pretty likely that there'll turn out to be a hard limit on how much you can smack everyone you meet with the You Like Lustria Now Stick before I change how it works.
 
I've gotten soured on Aeslabrim and don't want anything to do with her, so I'll vote for the highest-ranking plan that doesn't include her.

[X] Plan: Educational Outreach w/Old Friends
 
Briefvoice said:
I only caught bits and pieces of this "gift shop" discussion so I might be misunderstanding, but for the record I wouldn't think of such a thing as being capitalist or mercantile or being in any way about making money in particular.

Rather it would be about satisfying the desire of visitors to "take home a piece of history", something that they can hang on their wall or put on a shelf and remind them of the exhibits they saw. Since there are no photographs or anything, it would be a physical object you can show off to other people and invite them to visit as well. Pilgrims to the Holy Land during late antiquity and the medieval period did that all the time. (The people selling relics/souvenirs to them had a more profit-oriented motive sure, but it also satisfied a genuine desire of the pilgrims.)
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Cultivate Audience or New Audience is probably roughly what that translates to if translated mechanically into us taking actions.


For me the whole gift shop thing was mostly memeing about their current omnipresence in modern tourist traps, with a side of memeing about their thematic similarity to the Siren Wail not letting people escape without giving Harkon his due as actual traps.
 
If you think about it, isn't the whole museum a gift shop, where the gift is the most precious of all: Knowledge? It is. Especially if you consider that shop is really just a word for a small place to do stuff that got misused.
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consequences said:
For me the whole gift shop thing was mostly memeing about their current omnipresence in modern tourist traps, with a side of memeing about their thematic similarity to the Siren Wail not letting people escape without giving Harkon his due as actual traps.
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To be fair, an incongruently out of place gift shop run by a not!mummy for the schizophrenic vampire pirate is extremely warhammer. Not Boney!warhammer, but warhammer as a franchise.
 
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[x] Plan: Educational Outreach w/New Friends
- [x] New Contact (Princess Aeslabrim)
- [x] Cultivate Audience (Awakening, Lustria)
- [x] Carve Runestone
[x] Plan: Educational Outreach w/Old Friends
- [x] New Contact (Pahtsekhen)
- [x] Cultivate Audience (Awakening, Lustria)
- [x] Carve Runestone
[x] Plan: Spicy and Educational
- [x] Cultivate Audience (Awakening, Lustria)
- [x] Develop Affiliate (Princess Aelsabrim)
- [x] Carve Runestone
[x] Plan be boring
- [x] Cultivate Audience x2 (Sea Elves & Awakening, Lustria)
- [x] Excursion - Tide of Skjold (Lahmia, Lahmian Artifacts)
[x] Plan be half as boring
- [x] New Museum Staff
- [x] Cultivate Audience (Awakening, Lustria)
- [x] Excursion - Tide of Skjold (Lahmia, Lahmian Artifacts)
[x] Plan be half as boring, Sith version
- [x] Develop Affiliate (Princess Aelsabrim Fallenstar)
- [x] Cultivate Audience (Awakening, Lustria)
- [x] Excursion - Tide of Skjold (Lahmia, Lahmian Artifacts)
 
BurnNote said:
Huh, I didn't know @Nurgle was such a fan. I'd always taken him more of a kindergarten guy, for church-adjacent-places. If there's any cauldrons of Nurgle in this world, it's kindergarten.
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they're actually adjacent/under-the-same-roof. The way the buildings are laid out if you're in the school section you have to pass through the gift shops to reach the church proper. It's all one large building now.

It's . . . well I've seen worse church organizations but there's something ugly about it being the local I used to go to
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
In terms of held territory, it has definitely shrunk from the greatest extent it held at the end of Sigismund the Conqueror's reign (the regions of Montfort and Parravon as the West March, the Southern Oblast of Kislev divided between Ostland and Ostermark, Lichtenberg in what would become the Border Princes, Marienburg). But I'm not so sure it can be called worse off in most other respects.
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I think there's something to be said about the quality of its claimed territory too. Before the Black Death you had the Drive to the Frontiers. The Empire actually held lots more of its territory than it does now. Now it's a series of islands in a sea of enemies. Beastmen, greenskins, chaos warriors, ect hold a lot more of the Reik Basin now than they did back then. As an example, look at the Brass Keep.

[X] Plan Sea-Beasts, Sea-Elves, and Staff
 
Chimeraguard said:
Maybe, but that would reduce our Relic usage to things he's actually stolen. I want to take advantage of our connection to the Princess so we can use things like the Gemstones, and even the Beasts/Critters.

Also, we can make it very tongue-in-cheek by say, having a merchant ship we pirated be the centerpiece, and a lot of the other relics also being things we got by literally having an Acquisitionist go out and pirate a merchant vessel.
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Ooo, I am amused by the idea of an exhibit that doubles as an encyclopedia of what can be pirated and where to go to find it. "This cargo is an example of the treasures often carried by Imperial merchants, often found on these trade routes at these times of the year…"
 
JowKeen said:
they're actually adjacent/under-the-same-roof. The way the buildings are laid out if you're in the school section you have to pass through the gift shops to reach the church proper. It's all one large building now.

It's . . . well I've seen worse church organizations but there's something ugly about it being the local I used to go to
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Man, I couldn't come up with a metaphor/symbol that good if I tried.

But honestly, it's just strange. Like, when you say gift shop in a church I imagine something like notre dame, or some other big cathedral people visit to look at. Those places are so overun with tourist that I'm always lowkey surprised they're still used for actual religious service.
But they also don't have kindergartens. Any that do have that would be smaller local affairs, and I'm just puzzled who would buy there. The fact that it apparently gets enough traffic to have a second one nearby is just... inexplicable. I do not understand.
 
[x] Plan: Educational Outreach w/Old Friends
[X] Plan Getting Spicy w/Old Friends

I quite like the idea of making a contact through Pahtsekhen's old friends. It seems like a neat way to get back relics from Nehekhara and Araby, and that plays well into some of the goals of the museum.

Boney said:
Truth be told, it's time you're happy to spend. Nothing against the crew of Awakening, but you are a Prince, and it is nice to have some more refined company from time to time. And you're going to keep having it, because some enterprising residents of Awakening have taken to rowing barrels of fresh water out to the island to be sold to the Elves. Even the nimblest of ships is at least a week out of Ulthuan at this point, and fresh water is a powerful lure to those still dependent upon it.
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It's somewhat worn down by the debates, but I do still quite like this bit. We make an attraction, and the enterprising members of Awakening realize the traffic makes for a great place to do some vending. With the twist that, since this is an island, instead of a concession stand or street food, that means shipboard supplies instead.

...But it would be fun if eventually that also meant street food. Just because I like the idea of a highly, though not completely, undead culture creating a style of street food for the living. I just want to see the Lustrian equivalent of Lobster going from something to be hawked off on tourists to something regarded as high class food precisely because it was hawked off on so many tourists.
 
BurnNote said:
Man, I couldn't come up with a metaphor/symbol that good if I tried.

But honestly, it's just strange. Like, when you say gift shop in a church I imagine something like notre dame, or some other big cathedral people visit to look at. Those places are so overun with tourist that I'm always lowkey surprised they're still used for actual religious service.
But they also don't have kindergartens. Any that do have that would be smaller local affairs, and I'm just puzzled who would buy there. The fact that it apparently gets enough traffic to have a second one nearby is just... inexplicable. I do not understand.
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Now granted, neither is a "full on shop" or even a "shop stand" but they both exchange cash for goods. My complaint is maybe a bit rigid of me. But there's this thing about making counting houses of holy spaces that just grinds my gears a bit.

But yes. There are two separate small unmanned stands (small enough to fit inside the building, only about as tall as the average adult can reach, wide enough for 3 books/pamphlets cover-side forward to be displayed, somewhere between 6-8 rows I wasn't counting) which are different from one another because they're from two different sources of extra-church pamphlets, small books and various degrees of naked political propaganda. The wealthy funded a religious school to be built that's attached/part-of the whole building now while the church is somewhat separate they're all the same building. Which means that yes, these small stands have to be passed if your moving into the church from the church entrance or if you're moving from the school to the church.

on the upside there's no staff or shopkeeps or anything. They're just little stands with donation boxes you're suggested to "determine your own price" for the books you "buy". So it's not as bad as it could be.

Probably a good place to wrap the conversation though, it's a tangent
 
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