Lets agree to disagree on that since we can't put it to test. I suppose Tyranids would have been better example.
I also think that Orks are sapient (just not all there in the head) and that they could pass the test, at least what I consider "adult" ones. I mean, just look at how there are so many different warbands. They even sometimes ally themselves with other sapients (as in non-orcs). What I think happens is that they start as babies (in as much as an Ork that can bend humans like sticks can be a baby) with just some "innate knowledge" inside them, but the more that they live the more that they develop, effectively going from "baby" to an "adult" ork and developing their own individuality that they reflect on their warbands.
Exterminating the Orks is very morally sound- see, "orks are made for fighting". You can argue that it's not practical(which I would agree with), but moral arguments are very dubious.
I'd say that Orkoids are collectively sapient, but would argue on whether or not they are individually sapient.
Please don't confuse your opinion for fact. Moral arguments are what we make of them, and I for one don't agree with yours.
Advocating genocide as a moral good is not acceptable conduct. @Wobulator has been threadbanned for 72 hours and has received 25 points under Rule 2: Don't Be Hateful.
Then I'll delete the post but do you think it would be posible to cooperate with orks outside a fight?? I could see it happening with the Aeldari and the Tauri but the Orks?.
That's the thing, for the orks there is only fighting a war or preparing to fight a war. That would mean that to co-exist the imperium and every other race would be sacrificing lives to uphold this morally standard.
Just out of curiosity, do you think that would work with the orks?? (seeing as if they grow enough numbers they can bullshit their way with Waaagh fields to create spaceships out of rubble)It's a funny thing to talk about because there is in fact an obscure 40K book called Horus Rising where a similarly fast-breeding and murderous race called the Megarachnids were confined to a single planet by the Interex.
The Interex stated that they had no right to consign another species to extinction, and the solution appears to have worked until the Imperials decided to land on the planet and kill everything, inflicting significant casualties on themselves in the process
The Old Ones made good bio-weapons. You'd either need to restrict the Orks to a planet without the needed resources to build space-ships or occasionally perform orbital bombardment to blow up their infrastructure.
Or teach then to turn Waagh to sports instead of killing. The orks have clearly diverged some from the original design, why couldn't they diverge further?
And that was how Bloodbowl got introduced to 40k. That or hockey.
Sometimes I wonder what 40k now would look like if, twenty years ago, some writer had stretched a little bit and given us a sort of Pirates of the Caribbean style novel or series about a bunch of ork freebootas on a junker ship wandering around and getting into various hassles. Like a bunch of orks tired of the warboss jack an old kroozer with the help of an Emmet Brown-style madcap dok and a wyrdboy to steer it. They pick up orks here and there who got thrown out of their various clans for whatever reason and create a motley crew of miscreants. They cut a deal with a renegade Inquisitor to deliver some artifact only for the Imperials to turn their guns on them in lieu of pay because humans are xenophobic dicks. In contrast to the usual 'orks fight for dominance and the biggest ones rule and start wars' we get to see a bunch of them just rambling around drinking booze and eating beef and having a general freakout when one of the boyz gets scurvy because nobody's seen an orange for three planets.
Creating your own space marine chapter is a time honored and popular tradition! GW has only gotten more into it as time goes on with special rules and such for making your own chapter based on what traits they have so really its keeping with the lore and feel to go nuts.
