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Accelerator said:
So do the Iron warriors share their primarch's skills with tech?
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Yes I would say they did. He was the scientist of the Primarchs, it would be interesting to see his interaction with Vulcan and Ferrus Manus because of this, as great artisans in their own right. I think that Guilliman might also clash with him, because he can improve - probably even on Perturabo's designs, but not create. The particular interaction of "I can master anything you've done and even better it, but I envy your inspiration" between the two could be very interesting. Especially with Perturabo as he is; he would likely not believe Guilliman due to his own issues and big blue's own arrogance. It would be an interesting way to create a rift between the two.
 
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Old Spice Guy said:
Yes I would say they did. He was the scientist of the Primarchs, it would be interesting to see his interaction with Vulcan and Ferrus Manus because of this, as great artisans in their own right. I think that Guilliman might also clash with him, because he can improve - probably even on Perturabo's designs, but not create. The particular interaction of "I can master anything you've done and even better it, but I envy your inspiration" between the two could be very interesting. Especially with Perturabo as he is; he would likely not believe Guilliman due to his own issues and big blue's own arrogance. It would be an interesting way to create a rift between the two.
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Or.... you can combine it with gulliman's genius in administration, with Peturabo's strength in the sciences, to make awesome cities and planets.

Think about it, Peturabo's awesome with tech.

Why couldn't he have just left his marines with the orders to improve whatever worlds they were stationed on?

I mean, they constantly took worlds whenever they won, right? So why not give them the order to improve it using their skills in sciences.

That way, Peturabo gets recognition, not for his siege skills, but the ability to turn any world they capture into a utopia.
 
Accelerator said:
Or.... you can combine it with gulliman's genius in administration, with Peturabo's strength in the sciences, to make awesome cities and planets.

Think about it, Peturabo's awesome with tech.

Why couldn't he have just left his marines with the orders to improve whatever worlds they were stationed on?

I mean, they constantly took worlds whenever they won, right? So why not give them the order to improve it using their skills in sciences.

That way, Peturabo gets recognition, not for his siege skills, but the ability to turn any world they capture into a utopia.
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That doesn't really work with his background tbh. I mean hell, his first act on getting his legion was decimation. I think he would leave his marines with orders to increase efficiency, and given the way he treats them and their literal constant siege mentality it wouldn't turn out well. If you're going to do that, you need to rewrite his beginnings like @Cornuthaum in his fic.
 
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Old Spice Guy said:
That doesn't really work with his background tbh. I mean hell, his first act on getting his legion was decimation. I think he would leave his marines with orders to increase efficiency, and given the way he treats them and their literal constant siege mentality wouldn't turn out well. If you're going to do that, you need to rewrite his beginnings like @Cornuthaum in his fic.
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link?
 
Accelerator said:
So... everyone in the iron warriors has all those really rare and expensive stuff in 40k?
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What time period are you writing? Because in 30k everyone had some very impressive tech, things like volkite weapons and so on. My opinion is that the Iron Warriors would have a higher proportion of the better stuff, like advanced plasma guns, grav weapons etc and some individuals would have better things that they themselves created, but the average battle-brother is still in Mk.3 or more likely Mk.IV power armor and packing your standard boltgun. If you want individuals with the best kit, that's probably the Salamanders (who work heavily on their own equipment and are superb artisans) but the Iron Warriors are the ones by far the most likely to have some kind of crazy modular giant siege tank and so on.

Due to their preference for siege war I would expect more heavy weapons platforms as standard, but conversely less jetbikes, land speeders and so on. There is still going to be a tremendous variance within the legion though as Astartes cannot be called anything less than excellent at any aspect of war, but the first founding chapters tend to each have an area of expertise; the World Eaters and Blood Angels in close combat, or the Raven Guard with ambushes and the pseudo-Mongols of the White Scars and so on.
 
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Waitasec.

Transforming weapons.

I now have the image of a Titan transforming its powerfist into a shotgun gauntlet.
 
Accelerator said:
Waitasec.

Transforming weapons.

I now have the image of a Titan transforming its powerfist into a shotgun gauntlet.
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Not really to my knowledge. I mean, something like Vulkan He'Stan's Gauntlet of the Forge (a powerfist with built in heavy flamer) yes, but when I say modular I meant more in the traditional sense (think techmarines adding or removing sponsons or weapons as necessary) depending on the fortress the tank is going for and so on. Tbh, most 30k weapons are overkill in a way that makes transformation irrelevant. 30k Titan weapons even more so.
 
I was more saying that even minor damage could jam the transformation systems, and that neither system would be very good due to volume issues.
 
Ehh... Depends on what you are fighting, I suppose. But I can see the use. They'd have to be power blades though. So that takes a bit from the idea perhaps.
 
Old Spice Guy said:
I mean it's not like they need anything more to be awesome. Look at it;
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Far too low gun/mass ratio. The thing's a terror weapon where if the enemy had proper heavy defensive weapons to deal with the Void shields, you'd shoot it to pieces long before it could fire back.

There is a reason tanks and similar armored vehicles are built as low to the ground as possible and have the guns on top. Seriously take some of the Titan technology (armor, power generation, shields and so on) and stuff it in a Baneblade chassis or something similar. Much easier to produce and transport everywhere.

To me, mechs have their place but they serve better when designed like the Sentinels or Tau Battlesuits.
 
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jwolfe_beta said:
Far too low gun/mass ratio. The thing's a terror weapon where if the enemy had proper heavy defensive weapons to deal with the Void shields, you'd shoot it to pieces long before it could fire back.

There is a reason tanks and similar armored vehicles are built as low to the ground as possible and have the guns on top. Seriously take some of the Titan technology (armor, power generation, shields and so on) and stuff it in a Baneblade chassis or something similar. Much easier to produce and transport everywhere.

To me, mechs have their place but they serve better when designed like the Sentinels or Tau Battlesuits.
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Dude that's an Imperator. Those arm guns can wipe out cities. Closest to sufficient dakka you can get before you hit starships and exterminatus. It has enough shielding to deal with just about anything, the proper defensive weapons don't really exist. There are companies of infantry in the legs!
 
Old Spice Guy said:
Dude that's an Imperator. Those arm guns can wipe out cities. Closest to sufficient dakka you can get before you hit starships and exterminatus. It has enough shielding to deal with just about anything, the proper defensive weapons don't really exist. There are companies of infantry in the legs!
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And? If you can stick an oversized energy weapon on a walker you can do the same if not more so on a tank/land cruiser.

For example a volcano cannons (Warhound Titan weapon) are mounted on Shadowswords. Sure it has a pathetic RoF but that's because they're trying to power it via an internal combustion engine rather than the plasma reactors the Titans have.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
And? If you can stick an oversized energy weapon on a walker you can do the same if not more so on a tank/land cruiser.

For example a volcano cannons (Warhound Titan weapon) are mounted on Shadowswords. Sure it has a pathetic RoF but that's because they're trying to power it via an internal combustion engine rather than the plasma reactors the Titans have.
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There's a huge amount of difference between a Warhounds weapon and those of an Imperator; anything the size necessary to power a weapon like that is going to be Warhound size or greater; the Ordinatus' are a better example, but they tend to only mount one weapon and IIRC even then the one on Armageddon is something like 35m tall anyway, so Reaver size. And with that power comes the ability to generate enough void shields that the only thing you have to worry about are weapons of the same caliber and orbital bombardments.
 
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Old Spice Guy said:
anything the size necessary to power a weapon like that is going to be Warhound size or greater;
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Nope, because a fair amount of said size/height of any Titan are created by the legs. And considering that the power supply/plasma reactor/void shield generator would be housed in the torso (even the Imperium aren't dumb enough to stick it anywhere but the most heavily armored areas) we can take that block for the basis of a superheavy tank.

Scale up and reshape the block slightly for weapon mounts, crew spaces, tread mounting etc and you're good to go.

And even if the resulting war machine isn't quite as awe-inspiring and/or terrifying as a Titan, they are a hell of a lot easier to maintain and utilize. I do not want to think about how long and how many resources a Titan sucks up for maintenance and overhaul after each outing. After all, with a mobile bipedal construction that big, there is a ton of stress on certain points like the joints of the legs etc.
 
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